X32 Discussion

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Just got a new firmware..and it works (with Cubase here)! You can controll the faders in your DAW with the X32 and vice versa. In addition you got machine control (play, stop, ff and so on) + record ready, mute, solo. And the coolest thing: You can switch between this Midi control Mode and normal Mode with just one button!

That sounds good - hopefully with this product they will continue to develop firmware updates - does the update give options for other Daws at this point in time ( myself thinking of Reaper).

(Presume this should open it up for some form of dynamic automation - I wonder what parms can be transmitted and then played back to control the console!)

Nick


( beginning to consider pre-ordering one!!)
 
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The R&D department said, it already works with Logic, Repaer and StudioOne. I tried Cubase and SAC today, both work too. I'm not worried about the firmware updates, even in the short period since I got the board, there was a constant flow of updates.
With this update there are only very,very few minor things left to be implement. Otherwise everything what was promised, seems to be in the package by now:)
 
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All sounds pretty good and promising - thanks for the info -
re the firmware updates with DDX3216 these flowed intially and then dried up - suppose because they discontinued it - which was a shame.
 
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Dear Nick (and all),

allow me to chime in.

The DDX 3216 was our first digital mixer which we unfortunately had to discontinue around 10 years ago as a major semiconductor manufacturer stopped supplying critical parts.

The German development team for the X32, which was also involved in the previous DDX3216, designed the X32 using clever modular software architecture. Upgrades are very simple and that's why Christian Boche is seeing added functionality and new firmware almost on a daily basis.
So far a huge amount of DAW and Midi functionality has already been embedded and more will follow. Also we will be developing many more FX "plug ins" that will be part of new firmware. You will be pleased to hear that all future upgrades will be free of charge and easily downloadable from our website.

Btw. uploading new firmware is a breeze. Plug in the USB stick with the new firmware on top of the console and power it up. Done.
 
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Uli,

Thanks for the response to my question.
A latency between .8 and 1.5 msec., excellent by digital standards, still makes for a hollow sound for vocalists using in ear monitors. The hollow sound, caused by the comb filter between the natural “head sound” and the digital latency is only heard by the individual singer, not by their band members, engineers or the audience.

As they say at the carnival "close but no cigar".

Even though Bono is now a billionaire (nice investment strategy), he probably will continue using the analog Midas Venice for his in ear mix even though U2 can afford the XL8 wherever they want it.

At the May 11 2006 Midas XL8 unveiling in Albuquerque I asked my old buddy Matt Larson when Midas will put out a digital version of the Venice, at that time it was not in the cards.

Glad to see you have realized with the X32 what I hoped could happen when you rescued Midas from Telex (and that tool company), my congratulations!

Art Welter

Perhaps Uli can spend some of his pure research money pot on developing a 24 bit** flash convertor to reduce the inherent delay and become competitive with analog for in-ears.

JR

** obviously doesn't need to be full 24 bits for monitors.
 
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Just to be clear. You will face this "8-row restriction" only, when you are mixing different kind of inputs in the channel block patch! F.e. AES50 AND the local XLR inputs on the console. In the real world, this would not be very common. Normaly you get your inputs from one kind of source (just the S-16s, or just the console inputs). When you just use the console inputs (XLR 1-32), or two S-16 digital stageboxes (with 32in and 16out) or the 32inputs from the recording card, you can re-routed and double/triple route any input individual without any restriction. :)

Concerning line inputs...yes, use a DI box. It's better anyway. But you have six additional line inputs on the console (below the XLR inputs, with jack and RCA), if you want to hook up line signals directly (iPod, CD-Player, whatever)...

I can definitely think of some situations where this limitation would be problematic, assuming you wanted to use the S16s as a digital snake. For example, at my venue, we have 12 wireless receivers that sit next to the console at FOH, which apparently would need 16 channels to use more than 8 of them. Additionally, we have an old copper snake system that goes to a lot of places that are seldom used, but sometimes needed, like floor pockets and catwalks. So, if I happen to really need 9 channels at FOH, being limited to 16 instead of 23 usable channels coming from the S16s would be a pain.

Behringer folks, is this limitation something that could be addressed in a future software update? Or is it a hardware limitation?
 
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Nate,
as far as I understand this, you could buy 3 x S16 and have one at the desk, this should solve your problem, but maybe WW can confirm this

Uwe
 
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Nate,
as far as I understand this, you could buy 3 x S16 and have one at the desk, this should solve your problem, but maybe WW can confirm this

Uwe

Confirmed! You can connect up to six(!) S-16 on one X32 with the two AES50 Ports, which gives you 96inputs and 48outputs.
The desk handles 40inputs, 16outputs at once though.
 
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Dear Nick (and all),

allow me to chime in.

The DDX 3216 was our first digital mixer which we unfortunately had to discontinue around 10 years ago as a major semiconductor manufacturer stopped supplying critical parts.

The German development team for the X32, which was also involved in the previous DDX3216, designed the X32 using clever modular software architecture. Upgrades are very simple and that's why Christian Boche is seeing added functionality and new firmware almost on a daily basis.
So far a huge amount of DAW and Midi interfaces have already been embedded and more will follow. Also we will be developing many more FX "plug ins" that will be part of new firmware. You will be pleased to hear that all future upgrades will be free of charge and easily downloadable from our website.

Btw. uploading new firmware is a breeze. Plug in the USB stick with the new firmware on top of the console and power it up. Done.


Wow, this industry is slow.
 
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The DDX 3216 was our first digital mixer which we unfortunately had to discontinue around 10 years ago as a major semiconductor manufacturer stopped supplying critical parts.

Dear Uli,

thanks for the reply - just to let you know I still have a working DDX3216 and indeed used it last weekend - it was ( and is) very intuitive and flexible for the price - I always wondered why it was discontinued - rumours at the time were that it was developed prior to ROHS requirements and hence was no longer compliant - I think this reason came up when trying to source additional direct out/in interface modules

Nick
 
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Confirmed! You can connect up to six(!) S-16 on one X32 with the two AES50 Ports, which gives you 96inputs and 48outputs.
The desk handles 40inputs, 16outputs at once though.

Hi Christian,

I presume, however, you can also get 32 direct outs for recording (and 32 direct ins)?

Nick
 
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I'll call you today Jeff. I can maybe bring an SC48 and something Yamaha for a little showdown in Verona!

If you guys get together be sure to post the results. As good as the sound and build quality of the SC48 is it will be an interesting and enlightening comparison. I am curious as to how much the X32 is going to bridge the gap between MI and PRO digital consoles. Should be way past the Studiolive. Is it going to be better than an LS9? Looks pretty good on paper.
 
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If you guys want to meet half way at my shop, we can throw what i've got in the mix...
LS-9
Soundcraft MH-2

:)

We should definitely do that. Marlow and I will probably be doing a gig together in August, maybe we can line something up around then. Of course I do have local access to an MH2... but certainly I think the comparison vs LS9 and other Yamaha stuff would be something many are primarily interested in. I've spent lots of time on the SC48 and know it well, so while not as much of an apples to apples comparison, it would still be great to throw into the mix.
 
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We should definitely do that. Marlow and I will probably be doing a gig together in August, maybe we can line something up around then. Of course I do have local access to an MH2... but certainly I think the comparison vs LS9 and other Yamaha stuff would be something many are primarily interested in. I've spent lots of time on the SC48 and know it well, so while not as much of an apples to apples comparison, it would still be great to throw into the mix.

I can bring a Crest Xr-24 and some high-end outboard as a compact analogue comparator.

All long as it's free the SC48 will come. I'll try to put out a feeler on demos for the Si Compact and GLD.