X32 Discussion

[Jeff Babcock]

re: X32 Discussion

I don't know why you would want to route the MIDI modules thru' the X32 for that purpose unless you don't have a MIDI interface.

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I have other MIDI interfaces, however don't care much for the idea of multiple different interfaces in the same system, not to mention the possibility for sync issues at low latencies with things like e-drums (which can be fussy at the best of times). I would much prefer to keep everything routed through the X32 enroute to the DAW.

 

[Timo Ulkuniemi]

Re: Send on faders on custom keys

Hello

Only problem, that remains is how to set up remote control via iPad. I still haven´t got any propellerhead to pop over and help me....




HURRAA

I love groups like this !!!


I would like to thank mr Donald P Leaman for his kind offer to help me - unless I wish to wait for my "Personal Propellerhead" to show up.

With his help the issue is now resolved - all was right, exept for the cable - I pulled out the cable , that came with P16M and there it was !!!!!


Now only wait for Behringer propellerheads to deliver the full remote version.


ULI - can I put preorder for X16 ???? BITTE BITTE BITTE


Sagt Papa

 

[John Chiara]

Re: Send on faders on custom keys

Question. Can the S16 stage Be used to send digital signal to a DEQ 2496 via ADAT or otherwise? I have a 4 mix monitor setup using DEQ 2496 eqs and would love to send inputs digitally.

 

[Donald P Leaman]

Re: Send on faders on custom keys

HURRAA

I love groups like this !!!


I would like to thank mr Donald P Leaman for his kind offer to help me - unless I wish to wait for my "Personal Propellerhead" to show up.

With his help the issue is now resolved - all was right, exept for the cable - I pulled out the cable , that came with P16M and there it was !!!!!

My pleasure, Timo. Thanks for the kind words. Glad you (we) got it sorted out! Looking forward to your findings and discoveries.

Don

 

[Per Søvik]

Re: Send on faders on custom keys

Question. Can the S16 stage Be used to send digital signal to a DEQ 2496 via ADAT or otherwise? I have a 4 mix monitor setup using DEQ 2496 eqs and would love to send inputs digitally.

Since one of the possible uses of the S16 was to output ADAT from the AES50 (in the stand alone snake configuration), you most probably can use it that way, but would you want your EQs on stage?

 

[Per Søvik]

re: X32 Discussion

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I have other MIDI interfaces, however don't care much for the idea of multiple different interfaces in the same system, not to mention the possibility for sync issues at low latencies with things like e-drums (which can be fussy at the best of times). I would much prefer to keep everything routed through the X32 enroute to the DAW.

Yes, totally get that, but you are probably more likely to have issues running everything thru' one interface than using dedicated interfaces. When using FW it is probably not a problem with sync, but given the problems that USB have got, spreading the load on different controllers seems like a good idea. Most computers have got more than one USB controller, so spreading the load is possible. Running several Midi interfaces on Cubase isn't a problem.

 

[Misja Hoen]

Re: Send on faders on custom keys

Since one of the possible uses of the S16 was to output ADAT from the AES50 (in the stand alone snake configuration), you most probably can use it that way, but would you want your EQs on stage?

For monitors in the anologue world it's not a bad idea to have the EQ's on stage. So i can imagine he wants that. Then remote control makes that obsolete. But remember we are not there yet.

 

[Misja Hoen]

Re: Send on faders on custom keys

Must say that i never seen myself consider a Behringer product. But this one is tempting for smaller venues... Silly old me

 

[Ashirvad Zaiantchick]

Re: Send on faders on custom keys

I think he wants the mixbusses already in "sends on fader" mode on the assign buttons, which is not a stupid idea. Say the lead singers monitorbus is on assign button 5. If the singer wants a change, you hit just button 5 and you are already in "sends on fader" mode and in the right bus. So you don't have to focus on choosing the right mixbus, selecting it and make the changes. You would economize one touch of a button. You can do that on a LS9 too if I remember correct. Like I said, I have to do timber work on my roof and I don't have the X32 here...so I can't comment, if it's doable or not. Probably not.
Christian

Hi Christian and Per,

This is precisely what I was referring to. Sorry for the confusion... This is a feature that you have in the LS9 and M7CL boards from Yamaha, where you can assign a custom key for putting the sends for a specific bus on the faders. It may not seem much, but that extra click when switching between 6 monitor mixes adds up with time ~~:smile:. This feature that would be extremely valuable to me, and perhaps other sound engineers that have to deal with multiple monitor mixes on the X32.

Ashirvad

 

[Per Søvik]

Re: Send on faders on custom keys

For monitors in the anologue world it's not a bad idea to have the EQ's on stage. So i can imagine he wants that. Then remote control makes that obsolete. But remember we are not there yet.

I guess a case can be made for having them on stage, I do the ringing out from FOH, so prefer to have it there, but I can certainly see why it is practical to have eq on stage for tuning the sound. One thing though, there is no ADAT on the EQ, so a ADAT to SPDIF converter is needed. I guess at least €200.

 

[John Chiara]

Re: Send on faders on custom keys

I guess a case can be made for having them on stage, I do the ringing out from FOH, so prefer to have it there, but I can certainly see why it is practical to have eq on stage for tuning the sound. One thing though, there is no ADAT on the EQ, so a ADAT to SPDIF converter is needed. I guess at least €200.

There are ADAT fiber optic ports on the DEQ... Figuring it is a stereo i/o

 

[Per Søvik]

Re: Send on faders on custom keys

There are ADAT fiber optic ports on the DEQ... Figuring it is a stereo i/o

Yes, they are optical TOSLINK like ADAT uses, but different format, stereo SPDIF or AES/EBU, so you need a converter

 

[Misja Hoen]

Re: Send on faders on custom keys

I guess a case can be made for having them on stage, I do the ringing out from FOH, so prefer to have it there, but I can certainly see why it is practical to have eq on stage for tuning the sound. One thing though, there is no ADAT on the EQ, so a ADAT to SPDIF converter is needed. I guess at least €200.

All good. And it's prefrence. If you like to do @FOH it's your thing. But in the anologue world i like my EQ's on stage where i can ring them out on the spot. Simply because that makes life easier. It's just how you prefer things. For SPDiF or TDIF there are no differences only the one that TDIF (ADAT) is specified for multichannel) but the working is just the same and you can inter connect them. It's even compatible in some cases with AES. Digital formats can become confusing. That's only because there are many. But most of them are very alike.

 

[Uli Behringer]

Re: Send on faders on custom keys

Thanks everyone for the great feedback.

We have just posted the latest firmware 1.06 with a number of minor bug fixes many of which were reported by you.

I am personally overseeing the implementation of fixes to any reported bugs and you can see our German software team are turning them around in a heartbeat.

Behringer: DIGITAL MIXER X32

Uli

 

[Christian Boche]

Re: Send on faders on custom keys

Thanks everyone for the great feedback.

We have just posted the latest firmware 1.06 with a number of minor bug fixes many of which were reported by you.

I am personally overseeing the implementation of fixes to any reported bugs and you can see our German software team are turning them around in a heartbeat.

Behringer: DIGITAL MIXER X32

Uli

Awesome - thank you!

 

[Richard Pyne]

Re: Send on faders on custom keys

I have asked this question twice on the Behringer forums only to have it deleted without comment after the post was approved, so I'll try asking here.

My current setup is with a DEQ2496 as an insert on the mains of a SX3242fx. Is there any way to do something similar with the X32? I like the insert configuration because on the SX3242fx (at least it appears) the insert is pre fader. This allows me to EQ and set dynamics without anything changing as I adjust the house volume.

 

[Per Søvik]

Re: Send on faders on custom keys

You can use aux send return as insert, but that would involve two extra AD/DA conversions, which isn't totally a good idea.

 

[Christian Boche]

Re: Send on faders on custom keys

I have asked this question twice on the Behringer forums only to have it deleted without comment after the post was approved, so I'll try asking here.

My current setup is with a DEQ2496 as an insert on the mains of a SX3242fx. Is there any way to do something similar with the X32? I like the insert configuration because on the SX3242fx (at least it appears) the insert is pre fader. This allows me to EQ and set dynamics without anything changing as I adjust the house volume.

You got a 31 band GEQ, a six Band parametric EQ and dynamics in the X32 mains...isn't that enough? If you need to, maybe use the AES/EBU on the X32 and the DEQ2496. This way you don't have to deal with additional conversion and latentcy. Sure, the DEQ2496 will be prefader but it also has a output meter I guess;-)
Christian

 

[Christian Boche]

Re: Send on faders on custom keys

@All: Before I go to work, I would like to know your opinion on different/upcoming X32 designs. I think, Behringer stated already that there is a kind of "X16" to come. But the only thing, that seems to be sure, is that this smaller console will be rackable (19U, 19"). What would you like to see on such a mixer in smaller footprint?

I think, when the S-16 roll in in larger numbers, Behringer could build the "X16" without local in- and outputs. Just like the A&H GLD. This should also result in a price drop.
What do you thing about this?

As a SAC user, I'm not afraid to mix smaller bands just with a mouse and a eight channel fader pack (like BCF2000). So I thought: "Why not build a X16/X32 CORE version? Just a 2U (2HE") box with almost no hardware buttons, faders at all!" Just a blackbox, that can be controlled just with the Xremote and/or the iPad app. Maybe it would be nice, to hook up one BCF2000 Faderpack to your remote computer and lock the BCF faders virtualy to the eight DCA faders. This way, you have a good control about levels and you could set a very small Foh for corporate events. This could be interessting for a permanet installation also. Best thing: It should have a attractive price tag;-)
What do you think?

BTW: This "CORE" version would also be a nice and cheap "emergency solution", if your X32 ever fails. Just save your scene after soundcheck on USB and if the X32 should every fail, you load the scene into the Core version, hook up your S-16 to the CORE version, start Xremote on your laptop and you will be running into almost no time.

Christian

 

[Steve Maksim]

Re: Send on faders on custom keys

I could see losing at least most of the local i/o on the X16, but I think at least some should be kept. And instead of just line level, I think there should be at least a few mic pres.

What about putting a couple TosLink the X16? That way if you needed i/o at the console you could just hook up one or two ADA8000's. If all you need is local (nothing but wireless mics or copper's already there), then three ADA8000's is still cheaper than a S16 (two in and one out). I really wish the X32 had local TosLink i/o. (Can we get a card that's like the current card but with TosLink, too?)

I wonder if only being able to route in blocks of eight will end up creating more challenges on the X16 than it does on the X32 because of the lower channel count. Maybe the X16 will be able to route in pairs or at least groups of four?

Not suggesting that Behringer should (or does) copy anyone else's design, but I would seem that the iLive R72 is the most comparable product currently on the market. So what should Behringer do differently than A&H for a 19" X16? I think a channel strip would be really nice, even if the only feedback is on the screen (that is a channel strip with just rotary encoders and no indicators). That being said, Steve Pattison certainly seems to make it work.

Being able to hook up the BCR2000 or the BCF2000 would be great, whether it's a 19" small format mixer like the R72 or a 2U CORE. Heck, I think that that would be a nice feature to add to the X32.