X32 Discussion

[Rob Bolling]

Re: Solo in place? Eq paring?

Both can be done. You can select the pairing options for channels in the settings page so that Eq is paired. You can also copy and paste channel settings. Select channel and press utility, then copy. Then select channel you wish to paste to and paste the channel settings. You need to select the elements you wish to paste on the utility page to choose just Eq or any other combination of channel parameters, the copy function copies all parameters but you choose what to paste.

Brilliant. Threre are so many little nuances and abilities that they all start to run together. I find myself saying "now how was it that I did ______________?" all the time.

Thanks

 

[Dan Mortensen]

Re: Solo in place? Eq paring?

So am I just missing it all together or is there no "solo in place" function on the X32? I have adjusted all of the options we currently have available on fw 1.11 and none of the options appear to SIP. Even in AFL, the signal strength jumps considerably every time I solo something so that is not true SIP. I can do a PFL solo with dimming to keep the SPL down, but SIP is a useful tool for pinpointing problems with things like effects.

I am grateful there is not a SIP capability on this live console.

There could be almost nothing worse at a live event than to hit solo during the show and have everything disappear but the snare or whatever.

The Soundcraft Series 5 had dedicated button for that purpose located under a locking cover to make sure that you REALLY wanted to use that function, and I'd hope that if it were somehow mistakenly implemented on the X32 there would be some massive indicator that you were in that mode and ready for disaster to occur.

Recording uses may be different, but this was designed to be a live console and I think they got it exactly right on this issue (along with many others).

That said, I'm confused by your statement that "Even in AFL, the signal strength jumps considerably every time I solo something so that is not true SIP." Aren't you listening through headphones or nearfields, so that EVERYTHING other than what you are soloing disappears completely? SIP, as I understand it, means everything but the solo'd item disappearing from the main outputs, which is disruptive to a performance situation but not in a studio.

Sorry if I'm misunderstanding you.

Edit: Ahh, looking back in the posts gives the info that you are using it in a project studio. That is a different use than what it was designed for, but it's nice that it can serve multiple purposes. I just don't want them to lose sight of its original purpose, which is my purpose. ~:-D~:grin:

 

[Rob Bolling]

Re: Solo in place? Eq paring?

I am grateful there is not a SIP capability on this live console.

Capibility would be great as long as it is user selectable, not as the default.

There could be almost nothing worse at a live event than to hit solo during the show and have everything disappear but the snare or whatever.

I agree completely and I assume the solo function currently only solos to the headphone out or monitor out, correct? I have had no opportunity to hook mine up to anything but monitors and headphones on the respective outputs. What would be wrong with allowing only the channel you wish to hear to be heard with the desired condiments (effects, eq, gain levels etc.) if it only presents itself to those outputs and not any of the other outs going to mons or foh??

Recording uses may be different, but this was designed to be a live console and I think they got it exactly right on this issue (along with many others).

But it is touted as a recording console as well. I can verify it's usability for such at the level of clientele I work with.

That said, I'm confused by your statement that "Even in AFL, the signal strength jumps considerably every time I solo something so that is not true SIP." Aren't you listening through headphones or nearfields, so that EVERYTHING other than what you are soloing disappears completely? SIP, as I understand it, means everything but the solo'd item disappearing from the main outputs, which is disruptive to a performance situation but not in a studio.

Sorry if I'm misunderstanding you.

The SIP I am asking about simply is a "mute all" except the selected channel and any effects/dynamics/eq assigned to said channel without boosting or attenuating the signal any. It is fine, actually best, if the muting only happens at the monitor or hp outs. As it is now, we do not have this functionality. Seems like it might be an easy software routing fix as an option for a future FW update.

Edit: Ahh, looking back in the posts gives the info that you are using it in a project studio. That is a different use than what it was designed for, but it's nice that it can serve multiple purposes. I just don't want them to lose sight of its original purpose, which is my purpose. ~:-D~:grin:

I would like to think there is room for both purposes.

 

[Baba Z. Buerger]

Re: Solo in place? Eq paring?

Dear Rob:

I totally agree with Dan- I am also happy they didn't give us the SIP option- could mean disaster in live sound situation.
Do you really need it in your studio ? just hook up your monitors to 'Monitor outs' (use it as "Control Room Outs") and you have a way to solo channels.
Need a 'real' SIP option? just solo the track in your DAW

 

[Chase McKnight]

Re: Solo in place? Eq paring?

Hello Everyone,

As there have been several inquiries regarding the X32 noise issue, I wanted to address the concern. As Joe stated, there was an issue with the internal routing of cables running too close to the DSP chips. We found this very early in the production cycle and re-routed the cables to eliminate the noise that was being amplified due to the current routing. Once the change was made in manufacturing, we were able to re-route all products that had not shipped.

The cable rerouting in itself is a very simple fix. However, due to the overall assembly and the complexity of the board itself, it is recommended that the reroute is done by qualified individuals only. As such, if you are experiencing noise on your monitor outs, please contact us directly by any of the means below. We will be able to confirm the issue and make arrangements to resolve this, or any issue you have with your X32.

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Please PM or call me directly at (702) 371-0830 if you're having any issues. If you're outside the US, feel free to PM me and I'll get you in contact with someone that can help!


Kind regards,

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[Dan Mortensen]

Re: Solo in place? Eq paring?

Hi Rob,

I'm fine with all you wrote except for this part

Capibility would be great as long as it is user selectable, not as the default.



The SIP I am asking about simply is a "mute all" except the selected channel and any effects/dynamics/eq assigned to said channel without boosting or attenuating the signal any. It is fine, actually best, if the muting only happens at the monitor or hp outs. As it is now, we do not have this functionality. Seems like it might be an easy software routing fix as an option for a future FW update.

To my knowledge, this is exactly what happens when you solo a channel and are listening to it either through headphones connected to the headphone outputs or speakers connected to the monitor outputs. You hear only the thing you are soloing, and everything else disappears. I don't see how you are not experiencing it this way.

Wait, you then say "What would be wrong with allowing only the channel you wish to hear to be heard with the desired condiments (effects, eq, gain levels etc.) if it only presents itself to those outputs and not any of the other outs going to mons or foh??"

You can't hear a desired channel with additional condiments because the console can only solo one thing at a time, unless you are soloing something you have set up as a subgroup, submix, whatever. Condiments and dry channel are two things.

Oh, and there's a setting that must be selected which allows a newly solo'd channel to cancel out the solo of a previously solo'd channel so that you can ONLY listen to one channel at a time. I think the standard setting allows you to listen to as many solo'd channels as you have want at the same time. That setting might be in the talkback/monitor area, but I don't have a console in front of me to say for sure.

In my experience, though, you are misusing the term SIP for what you want, because a live console with that feature will not listen to dry and condiment channels simultaneously, if I'm now understanding you correctly. There may be recording consoles that don't treat effect return channels as things to be muted when a channel is SIP'd, but I don't know about them, so it's possible you are correct in the recording world.

 

[Rob Bolling]

Re: Solo in place? Eq paring?

Dear Rob:

I totally agree with Dan- I am also happy they didn't give us the SIP option- could mean disaster in live sound situation.
Do you really need it in your studio ? just hook up your monitors to 'Monitor outs' (use it as "Control Room Outs") and you have a way to solo channels.
Need a 'real' SIP option? just solo the track in your DAW

Solo in the DAW will give me what I am talking about, you are right there. I am guessing the architecture of the X32 is such that it will not allow what I am talking about and I probably have always done what I am asking for with my other boards just the way you are suggesting.

 

[Rob Bolling]

Re: Solo in place? Eq paring?

In my experience, though, you are misusing the term SIP for what you want, because a live console with that feature will not listen to dry and condiment channels simultaneously, if I'm now understanding you correctly. There may be recording consoles that don't treat effect return channels as things to be muted when a channel is SIP'd, but I don't know about them, so it's possible you are correct in the recording world.

You may be right, I may be confusing what I can do with a DAW/mixer combo. The solo function on my 02R was so clunky I never used it, just always solo'd the software. When you do that, you get to keep the condiments. In my excitement to use all the new bells and whistles, I was hoping I could get that functionality on the board so I could use the mouse a bit less.

Thanks for the good dialog, it helped me think it all the way through.

 

[Per Søvik]

Re: Solo in place?

If you want to implement Solo-in-place, just have a mute group with all input channels selected. If you mute the group, then un-mute the channel you want to solo, you have SIP in two keypresses.

 

[Rob Bolling]

Re: Solo in place?

If you want to implement Solo-in-place, just have a mute group with all input channels selected. If you mute the group, then un-mute the channel you want to solo, you have SIP in two keypresses.

True, I would just have to make sure any effect returns were un muted if I wanted to hear them.

 

[John Chiara]

Re: Solo in place? Eq paring?

Solo in the DAW will give me what I am talking about, you are right there. I am guessing the architecture of the X32 is such that it will not allow what I am talking about and I probably have always done what I am asking for with my other boards just the way you are suggesting.

DAW soloing works that way for me. Useful in a monitoring situation.

 

[Bill Garvin]

Re: Solo in place?

If you want to implement Solo-in-place, just have a mute group with all input channels selected. If you mute the group, then un-mute the channel you want to solo, you have SIP in two keypresses.

Geat idea, Per! I don't think my muddled brain would have ever thought of that. Nice going!

 

[Mick Berg]

Re: Scene protection

I don't get the "almost opposite". While "protected" in the physical sense might imply some kind of "barrier" or "shield" protecting something, and "safe" can mean that something is just out of harm's way while not necessarily being guarded by any "protection", I can't see how they are in any way "opposite".

I do however agree that there is very little in the form of what I would call flexible protection, and I'm still struggling to get a good grip on the working method needed to utilize the scene managment in the best way (a way that keeps me from screwing up, basically).

I do understand the usefullness of read-only scenes, or write protected scenes, I get the concept of locked parameters, at least to me a locked parameter would be a parameter that couldn't be changed neither by scene change or by adjustment on the console (without a password).

If we end up with a 88 channel x 36 parameter x 100 scene tri-state matrix to manage it all, will we be able to?

I meant "opposite" in terms of functions in a mixing console, not the words themselves.
And anyway I probably should have said "very different".
But however you look at it, the "safe" capabilities of the console do not substitute for protected scenes.

Mick Berg.

 

[Jon Malmstrom]

New videos on youtube X32 vs Presonus SL

Hi all!

I stumbled over a couple of new videos on youtube today made by Presonus comparing the X32 and SL desks capabilities and their respective workflow. Quiet well produced and informative videos and not to colored favoring the Presonus desks. I can imagine they produced the videos in an attempt to regain sales on the SL. Although i can see some misleading information. Have look yourself and make comments on the videos.

The link - PreSonus StudioLive 24.4.2 vs. Behringer X32 - YouTube

Best regards,
Jon

Not yet x32 owner but hopefully soon totally upgraded

 

[Spenser Hamilton]

Re: New videos on youtube X32 vs Presonus SL

Hi all!

I stumbled over a couple of new videos on youtube today made by Presonus comparing the X32 and SL desks capabilities and their respective workflow. Quiet well produced and informative videos and not to colored favoring the Presonus desks. I can imagine they produced the videos in an attempt to regain sales on the SL. Although i can see some misleading information. Have look yourself and make comments on the videos.

The link - PreSonus StudioLive 24.4.2 vs. Behringer X32 - YouTube

Best regards,
Jon

Not yet x32 owner but hopefully soon totally upgraded

I only watched a few of the videos and I appreciate that they were at least trying to not be obviously biased at least, a better comparison would have been to have someone who was either familiar with both consoles, or neither.

The video about setting gain structures was a joke imo.

 

[Juergen Riemann]

Re: New videos on youtube X32 vs Presonus SL

Presonus must be really desperate to make comparison videos as I have never seen any manufacturer to do this. While they try to be neutral, their videos are misleading as they do not talk about the real power of the X32. They don't tell you that you need a FW computer to run ipad apps, they don't tell you about 32 channels, midas preamps, 16 buses, DCA groups, motor faders, scribble strips, 8 fx processors, big LCD etc.

I just checked out Thomann who is europe's largest dealer and they publish sale comparison of products. The X32 is their number one selling product among all 100,000+ products they have in store. The rest of the consoles are in free fall especially presonus which are now number 4200, 3800 and 6600 which clear downward trends. The only other mixer that is selling is Mackie DL1608 with ranking 900. Even AH GLD is not selling and going down.

I sold my presonus mixer months ago as it crashed on me many times and even when i was running a show. The X32 is very different class and I compare it to yamaha LS9 or above.

Here is the mixer comparison chart.

Product Comparison Digital Mixing Desks - Thomann UK Cyberstore

 

[Spenser Hamilton]

Re: New videos on youtube X32 vs Presonus SL

I sold my presonus mixer months ago as it crashed on me many times and even when i was running a show. The X32 is very different class and I compare it to yamaha LS9 or above.

I wouldn't go so far as to make that kind of comparison yet. The X32 has a lot of features that meet, and in some cases exceed, the LS9, but Yamaha has a long history in the digital market for good reason. Our company has made the investment in the X32 based on previous positive experience with Behringer product, but anybody buying a first generation product is undoubtedly making some degree of a leap of faith (Crown XTI anybody?). Assuming smooth sailing for the next 3-5 years, I would be comfortable making a comparison between the X32 and LS9.

I already said how I feel about the Presonus videos. I could name a number of things that turned me off, but at the end of the day, it would only come across as fanboi-ism.

I love the X32 as much as the rest of you, but we need to keep in mind the words we say less we be eating them later :lol:

 

[Per Søvik]

Re: New videos on youtube X32 vs Presonus SL

I only watched a few of the videos and I appreciate that they were at least trying to not be obviously biased at least, a better comparison would have been to have someone who was either familiar with both consoles, or neither.

The video about setting gain structures was a joke imo.

It did highlite a strength of the Presonus, only liars and superhumans can say they have never made adjustments to the wrong channel. Then again, on the Presonus you are probably more likely to make other, equally bad mistakes. Turns and roundabouts......
I think I missed the video about scene recall ~;-)~:wink: , (the main reason I waited a year for the X32)

 

[Spenser Hamilton]

Re: New videos on youtube X32 vs Presonus SL

It did highlite a strength of the Presonus, only liars and superhumans can say they have never made adjustments to the wrong channel. Then again, on the Presonus you are probably more likely to make other, equally bad mistakes. Turns and roundabouts......
I think I missed the video about scene recall ~;-)~:wink: , (the main reason I waited a year for the X32)

The way he consistently forgot to hit the select button tells me that either he was playing it up for the camera, or he would have issues operating 90% of digital consoles :lol:

Edit: Ok maybe not 90%, but a good portion at least

 

[Johan Hamelinck]

Re: XiControl / XiQ

Still eagerly waiting for the new release....

any news on the actual release date or didn't Apple approve it ?

Dear all,

we have just uploaded the latest XiControl iPad App as well as the XiQ iPhone App on the Apple store. While it usually takes 1-2 weeks for Apple to approve the apps, I promise you that this will be worth the wait.

The new XiControl is now the full version, with fantastic new graphics and over 40 pages, which will likely make it the most sophisticated App ever created in our industry.

Allow me to give credit to our truly amazing and dedicated BEHRINGER and MIDAS engineers in Germany and the UK, who worked around the clock to provide you with this incredible experience. I am extremely proud of the team.

But again, there is much more to come...

Warm regards

Uli