X32 Discussion

Re: New videos on youtube X32 vs Presonus SL

Those Presonus Videos are a Joke, in one video the guy is using both hands adjusting gains and goes super fast on the SL24, then goes to one hand operation and keeps forgetting to hit the channel select button. Videos are funny.... very funny...

These videos sure show one thing clear.... how desperate and misleading Presonus is willing to go to get some sales back, I don't blame them...

Being a long time SL24 user I can honestly say there are only a few items where the Presonus is better in my opinion:

1.-FX Channel Returns have EQ and full channel strip processing.
2.-Ipad app much better integrated with superb User Interface, great views, not so many pages to go through and they make good use of every page (put a lot of info in those pages). I love their EQ graph manipulation. Behringer should take a page out of Presonus book....
3.-Ease of Use... but this one is missleading.. haha... as it is easier because its way simpler, in other words the SL24 is not as deep and powerful as the X32 thus being easier to use. For simpler installations and some users this might be a selling point.

I love my X32 and Im glad I sold my SL24, the X32 is a beast and it sounds great. I've used the LS9 extensively too and the X32 is way ahead, not wanting to hurt anybodys feelings here but the LS9/M7 preamps are a joke compared to the X32, they are simply harsh and sterile.

Go Behringer !!! Give us channel processing on those FX returns and a better iPad app....
PD. Don't give us a workaround for FX returns EQ, make it happen !!!


Jon Malmstrom said:
Hi all!

I stumbled over a couple of new videos on youtube today made by Presonus comparing the X32 and SL desks capabilities and their respective workflow. Quiet well produced and informative videos and not to colored favoring the Presonus desks. I can imagine they produced the videos in an attempt to regain sales on the SL. Although i can see some misleading information. Have look yourself and make comments on the videos.

The link - PreSonus StudioLive 24.4.2 vs. Behringer X32 - YouTube

Best regards,
Jon

Not yet x32 owner but hopefully soon totally upgraded :)
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Johan Hamelinck said:
Still eagerly waiting for the new release....

any news on the actual release date or didn't Apple approve it ?
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I am checking the AppStore om My iPad several times every day waiting for Santa... To be honest I am quiet curious about the hints Uli gave regarding the upgrade of the user interface. I think that some parts of the present one is a bit odd, but functional. I have tried out the other ones from Yamaha, Presonus an A&H and all have their strengths and weaknesses. Function wise, I think xicontrol is on a good way and hopefully the developers will keep up the work and add functionality. Maybe we should start a change proposal thread/wish list.

Maybe they have set the release date (if you can apply for that) as close as possible to the winter NAMM opening ... in order not to reveal any new exiting products in the Ecosystem :)

Jon
 
Spenser Hamilton said:
The way he consistently forgot to hit the select button tells me that either he was playing it up for the camera, or he would have issues operating 90% of digital consoles :lol:

Edit: Ok maybe not 90%, but a good portion at least ;)
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I have barely not posted anything in this forum, more followed the discussions over the past 7 moths... But when I discovered the videos I wanted to share my experience watching them. I made exactly the same observations as you. The marketing of SL is very very well hidden in a subtile way, by NOT mentioning the x32 advantages/flexibility and fiddling around operating it.

Not far from make some comments on the videos now :)

Cheers,
Jon
 
Re: X32 Discussion

I completely agree with you Jon and it greatly upsets me. Same what presonus did before with posting fake messages on Gearslutz and they got cought.

Behringer X32 - Page 13 - Gearslutz.com

Mtucker233,

Interesting comments and totally inconsistent with the findings of the ProsoundWeb shootout that was just held. Seems like some of the most credible names in Pro Audio and production, with thousands of shows and recordings behind them, placed the X32 FIRST and the PreSonus LAST in a comparison of sound quality. Are you sure you don't work for PreSonus?

I noticed that you just joined these forums on Aug 27th and have made 6 posts during that time, most of them in this thread. All your comments seem very "on message" as they say:

  • #4 - I just AB'd the X32 and the Presonus digital and the mic pres on the Presonus were far better. I mean I have heard how Midas built those mic pres but they sounded thine and harsh. The Presonus was warm and full. The x32 was better in functionality but I would have to go for the mic pres ahead of everything else. Remember everything goes through those mic pres.
  • #7 - If the mic pre is an important part of your console of choice get a salesman to run the test on your own. Your ears will not lie. All 3 salesman and 4 customers agreed hands down.
  • #10 - Your ears and your customers have to live with what you choose in this line of work and play so what you hear is key...Check the mic pres they are key not the stereo return the mic pres and do it with your ears. You'll be glad you did.
  • #13 - Our eyes were enamoured but our ears wouldn't let us do it. Also, fat and warm is an industry standard most mic pres are going for. What we heard made us wait though. This is the X32's first outing. They can do better on the mic pre.
  • #17 - That name is a big deal when it comes to mic pres. You would have a hard time making something sound bad through a Midas console primarily because of the mic pres. If that's the name backing the X32's mic pres and you are dropping that name as bragging rights then it should be outstanding.

Add in the post in this thread that I quoted in reply to and that's 6 posts in just a couple of days, all saying the exact same thing.

We're happy to provide additional information, answers, and other forms of help to everyone in the audio community who has questions or concerns, and we value and respect differences of opinion. However, it's becoming very difficult to view your comments as being genuine and credible in nature.

Mike
MUSIC Group


We should post on their youtube videos and correct the facts, but it would not surprise me if Presonus will just remove our comments.
 
Change routing without losing gain settings and 48V

Gain settings and 48V are not copied then I change routing between:
X32 => S16
S16 => X32
S16 => S16

I have tested manually changed routing, Preset Library, scenes, all with different Recall Scopes.
Should it be like this?

I started to look at the webinar on X32 and S16 on 13 december but had to go halfway.
When will it be available on Youtube?
 
Re: Change routing without losing gain settings and 48V

Jörgen Gustavsson said:
Gain settings and 48V are not copied then I change routing between:
X32 => S16
S16 => X32
S16 => S16

I have tested manually changed routing, Preset Library, scenes, all with different Recall Scopes.
Should it be like this?

I started to look at the webinar on X32 and S16 on 13 december but had to go halfway.
When will it be available on Youtube?
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Hi Jörgen,
This is correct, because your gain setting is dependent on the source for that channel. Since the S16 has its' own Mic Preamps, they have separate gain settings from the ones on the X32. When you change from a Local source to AES50 source for S16 you begin controlling the gain on the S16, however, the mic preamps on the board are actually still active and therefor still have their own separate gain. In fact, the local preamps can still be routed directly out to a DAW or another X32 via the Card out or AES50 out pages of the ROUTING menu, even if you are using S16 as inputs to mix. In order to allow for the safe switching on the fly between S16 and X32 preamps, the console does not automatically transfer Gain or 48V settings when changing routing.

The S16 Webinar will be added early next week alongside the rest of our Webinars on the BEHRINGER - YouTube Channel.
Also, you can always find the latest Webinar info as well as other X32 Resources over on the BEHRINGER Forum on the X32 Resources Page.

Best,
John DiNicola
Senior Specialist, Product Support
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
 
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Re: New videos on youtube X32 vs Presonus SL

Per Søvik said:
It did highlite a strength of the Presonus, only liars and superhumans can say they have never made adjustments to the wrong channel. Then again, on the Presonus you are probably more likely to make other, equally bad mistakes. Turns and roundabouts......
I think I missed the video about scene recall ;)~;-)~:wink: , (the main reason I waited a year for the X32)
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The Behringer does seem to require too much left hand/right hand back and forth. I have to constantly glance back to the monitor to see what you're changing. The video demonstrated a lot more than I could have imagined. I can see the Presonus being more useful for live applications. The X32 requires more set up and is probably good for telling volunteers to "push this button" to advance to the next scene.

Also, the Select button is way up at the top of the strip with no visual break point or divider. It's very easy to forget to hit it before adjustment or hit the wrong one. In fact, it was and continues to be a source of frustration for me.
 
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Re: New videos on youtube X32 vs Presonus SL

Aaron Hammett said:
The Behringer does seem to require too much left hand/right hand back and forth. I have to constantly glance back to the monitor to see what you're changing. The video demonstrated a lot more than I could have imagined. I can see the Presonus being more useful for live applications. The X32 requires more set up and is probably good for telling volunteers to "push this button" to advance to the next scene.

Also, the Select button is way up at the top of the strip. It's very easy to forget to hit it before adjustment. In fact, it was and continues to be a source of frustration for me.
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Actually, I think the difference is which digital console you cut your teeth on. I started on an Ls-9, so migrating to an x32 was a breeze... The presonus offering was more difficult to grasp and the non flying faders is a complete "fail" in my books....Ugh where am I again, here, no here?
 
Re: New videos on youtube X32 vs Presonus SL

Shane Presley said:
Actually, I think the difference is which digital console you cut your teeth on. I started on an Ls-9, so migrating to an x32 was a breeze... The presonus offering was more difficult to grasp and the non flying faders is a complete "fail" in my books....Ugh where am I again, here, no here?
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Why do you have to have flying faders on anything with only one layer of control? Scenes? The SLive doesn't really do scenes, so no need for FF's. If they'd implement a functional scene capability with no 1.5 second loss of audio output, then I'd agree that they should add FF's. But as it is now the board has a functional integrity which many smaller operators will find useful.
 
Re: New videos on youtube X32 vs Presonus SL

Jon Malmstrom said:
Hi all!

I stumbled over a couple of new videos on youtube today made by Presonus comparing the X32 and SL desks capabilities and their respective workflow. Quiet well produced and informative videos and not to colored favoring the Presonus desks. I can imagine they produced the videos in an attempt to regain sales on the SL. Although i can see some misleading information. Have look yourself and make comments on the videos.

The link - PreSonus StudioLive 24.4.2 vs. Behringer X32 - YouTube

Best regards,
Jon

Not yet x32 owner but hopefully soon totally upgraded :)
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The bus routing video made me really wonder... And why does he bring up matrixes for using subgroups.

And why not use the compressor setup to 1:100 with a knee:5 for a really smooth limiter on the output instead of wasting fx-racks, while still giving you a slight compression.

Missing a clipping channel while being on a different layer...while having the full metering on the ldc.

Either he has no clue on how to operate the x32 or he just endorses presonus.

Whatever the reason, how could I ever trust this guy doing business with me?!
 
Re: Change routing without losing gain settings and 48V

John DiNicola said:
Hi Jörgen,
This is correct, because your gain setting is dependent on the source for that channel.
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In order to allow for the safe switching on the fly between S16 and X32 preamps, the console does not automatically transfer Gain or 48V settings when changing routing.
Best,
John DiNicola
Senior Specialist, Product Support
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
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If you put in a S16 to add more inputs copy settings can be wrong.
But if you move adjusted sets of inputs(8channels) from one unit to another there should be an option to copy settings then you do the switch. f.eg.

* You have done several different shows with X32 last year. This year you have 2 S16 and want to change routing then you a repeat a show from last year. Not writing down all gain settings on a paper and adjust all channels.

* You have have done setup with 2 S16. Drums are on ch 1-8 on the first one of them. But you put another S16 to set next to the drums and want to route ch 1-8 here. Gain settings should follow the channels.

* I have thought of X32 inputs to be a backup if S16 goes down on small gigs. CAT5 can be cut or S16 smoked by a bear or internal fail. Take X32 to stage, plug in all inputs directly to X32, change the routing and mix with ipad.
There is only one thing, Gain settings are not copied. And you have to write them down when S16 is alive. Then S16 is disconnected you cant read the gain value. If don't have the values, you have to let the band play to set the gain.
And if gain differ from sound check, you can correct PA with ipad but this will affect monitors as well.

Copy Gain settings and 48V can help you a lot in some situations. If where are another way to copy those settings I'm on. But I think I've tested all of them.
If Routing and 48V wasn't tied together with others in Scene Safes that could be ok.
Hope this can be as an option in future firmware (if you want to copy or not). Writing down all settings seems a little SL-way...

Best Regards
Jörgen
 
Re: Change routing without losing gain settings and 48V

Would it not be possible to just use and adjust only the on board gain on the x32 and ignore the snake pres while using the snake? I don't have mine yet, and if this is going to be an issue, I might just stick with a regular snake, or use the monitor console as the point of input and cat 5 out to foh from there.... This issue should be addressed (behringer).
 
Re: Change routing without losing gain settings and 48V

Shane Presley said:
Would it not be possible to just use and adjust only the on board gain on the x32 and ignore the snake pres while using the snake? I don't have mine yet, and if this is going to be an issue, I might just stick with a regular snake, or use the monitor console as the point of input and cat 5 out to foh from there.... This issue should be addressed (behringer).
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Hi Shane,
I wanted to clarify that as of Firmware 1.10 there is a "preamps" page on the SETUP menu that will always allow access to the local mic preamp gain & 48V regardless of what inputs are being used for channels 1-32 on the console. The gain control in the channel strip will control whichever preamp is assigned to that channel (Local or S16). Hope it helps!

Best,
John DiNicola
Senior Specialist, Product Support
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
 
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Re: Change routing without losing gain settings and 48V

Thanks John for the reply... But as per the previous posters concern, are the preamp settings ( both the console and the s16) saved scene by scene... Can someone take a scene used 3 months ago, plug in a different s16, and have all the preamp settings recalled.?
 
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