X32 Discussion

Re: X32 Discussion

Mark Petersen said:
They link fine for me. What firmware &XiControl version are you running? Do you have wifi connection problems in general?

Oops! Sorry Josh... I just noticed you said you were in offline mode. You're right... It does the same to me in offline mode. I noticed that the adjacent fader shows as linked, but no actual fader movement linking. I'd guess you found a bug? Good luck...
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The way it works now when working online is that as you move one linked fader on the app, it moves The corresponding fader on the console. This in turn moves the adjacent fader on the console and that move is reflected back on the iPad app. When working offline, that echo back for the second channel doesn't happen so the adjacent channel doesn't move. I know you know all this, I'm just reviewing. :)

Now, if the app moved both faders when the channels were linked, it would be the functional equivalent of pushing both faders at the same time on the console. Anyone who has used digital desks knows that when you do that on the desk, the faders tend to 'fight' one another. I suspect the same would happen on the iPad app as it tried to show the feedback from the second channel while it was being controlled by the app and the linked fader at the same time. I hope this makes sense.

anyway, I can see why they chose to do it the way that they did. Inconvenient when working offline. But you're usually not dealing with fader levels offline anyway. Thats my take on it....
 
Re: X32 Discussion

X32 discussion

Has anybody figured out how to set up the X32 console for 6 stereo IEM mixes plus stereo mains? Stereo FOH is no problem. I've gotten as far as linking mix buss 1/2, 3/4, 5/6, 7/8, 9/10, 11/12. I can send individual sources to each pair, but can't figure out how to pan the sources within these linked buss's? Thanks, Mike
 
Re: X32 Discussion

Michael Glenn said:
X32 discussion

Has anybody figured out how to set up the X32 console for 6 stereo IEM mixes plus stereo mains? Stereo FOH is no problem. I've gotten as far as linking mix buss 1/2, 3/4, 5/6, 7/8, 9/10, 11/12. I can send individual sources to each pair, but can't figure out how to pan the sources within these linked buss's? Thanks, Mike
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Check the buss section of the channel strip. If you link buss 1 & 2, the control for buss 1 is the volume, and the control for buss 2 becomes the pan.
 
Re: X32 Discussion

Dick Franks said:
Check the buss section of the channel strip. If you link buss 1 & 2, the control for buss 1 is the volume, and the control for buss 2 becomes the pan.
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In case you're trying to use xControl, the control is rather a bit different. Having selected the source channel that you want to adjust, select Home and go to Home tab within. On the right side of the "screen" you can control "Bus Sends" with your mouse. On mono buses -inf is hard left and unity is indicated with a little notch about 3/4 to the right. For buses that are linked into a stereo pair a center line is present on the even-numbered channel that shows panning. Clicking in one of those bars to adjust pulls your cursor to the present position, rather than pulling the level/pan to where you clicked.
 
Re: X32 Discussion

Dick Franks said:
Check the buss section of the channel strip. If you link buss 1 & 2, the control for buss 1 is the volume, and the control for buss 2 becomes the pan.
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Thanks Dick,

I'm getting close but no panning yet. I see the buss section you describe in the channel strip (1 is volume, 2 is panning), I think this is set up correct as I do see the center line in the even buss numbers but hitting 'sends on fader' then buss 2 doesn't change the panning. It just raises and lowers the volume like 'sends on fader' 1. What else am I missing, or is the pan for individual sources controlled somewhere else?

Yes, I'm trying to set this up with just the X32 console.

UPDATE:Found It! Select the channel, go to the 'sends' tab, there on the bottom row we can adjust the pan. I still don't see how pan is controllable via the even number buss sends but at least I can pan via here. More digging might make this happen.
 
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Re: X32 Discussion

brian maddox said:
The way it works now when working online is that as you move one linked fader on the app, it moves The corresponding fader on the console. This in turn moves the adjacent fader on the console and that move is reflected back on the iPad app. When working offline, that echo back for the second channel doesn't happen so the adjacent channel doesn't move. I know you know all this, I'm just reviewing. :)

Now, if the app moved both faders when the channels were linked, it would be the functional equivalent of pushing both faders at the same time on the console. Anyone who has used digital desks knows that when you do that on the desk, the faders tend to 'fight' one another. I suspect the same would happen on the iPad app as it tried to show the feedback from the second channel while it was being controlled by the app and the linked fader at the same time. I hope this makes sense.

anyway, I can see why they chose to do it the way that they did. Inconvenient when working offline. But you're usually not dealing with fader levels offline anyway. Thats my take on it....
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Considering there are no physical stepper motors connected to physical faders to fight against the data being fed them in offline mode, it seems it would be a simple task to pass channel X's fader location data to channel Y's fader, and vice versa. From what I've been able to find, no data is passed between two linked channels in offline mode except head amp gain, and the link command itself. Obviously there's no reason why, for instance, the low EQ gain data can't be fed to the other of the linked channel, or gate threshold, or compressor ratio data, etc. So, unless the goal was to make offline mode act completely opposite of how the real console acts (hey, maybe it was... I've seen stranger... :roll: ), I'd call it a bug. Perhaps not in the classic sense where a planned function doesn't act as designed, but still one where a function that the average user expects to see doesn't exist. I'd just like to see the Behringer devs turn offline mode into a usable tool as opposed to a simple demo.
 
Re: X32 Discussion

Dan Mortensen said:
Thank you for asking this question again.

Jean-Michel, does your console also have input channel noise? Is it only on channels 16 and 32, or is it on others? I'm not aware of a known issue on other channels, but I might be wrong. Input noise and headphone/monitor noise are two separate problems AFAIK.

Edit: Here is the one good thing to result from this trip: pics of the insides of the console.
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Hi Dan,

thanks for the pics, very helpfull.... I thing i just got real noise from the headphone. About the inputs, i already notices that in live configuration and in case of not so good electric power from the venue, i got some noise like the one with the headphone but not that loud. I just recorded yesterday and nothing we can't live with.
With the pics you gave, i can see the headphone cable which could be the faulty but the guys from Berhinger could explain more if a good solution is existing...

Best regards
Jean-Michel
 
Re: X32 Discussion

Michael Glenn said:
Thanks Dick,

I'm getting close but no panning yet. I see the buss section you describe in the channel strip (1 is volume, 2 is panning), I think this is set up correct as I do see the center line in the even buss numbers but hitting 'sends on fader' then buss 2 doesn't change the panning. It just raises and lowers the volume like 'sends on fader' 1. What else am I missing, or is the pan for individual sources controlled somewhere else?

Yes, I'm trying to set this up with just the X32 console.

UPDATE:Found It! Select the channel, go to the 'sends' tab, there on the bottom row we can adjust the pan. I still don't see how pan is controllable via the even number buss sends but at least I can pan via here. More digging might make this happen.
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Mike,
Sends on faders is a little different than the mixbuss controls next to the EQ section Dick was explaining. Think of sends on faders like this: Mix 1 and Mix 2 are linked into a stereo pair, yes? 1 is Left, and 2 is Right. So if you set channel 3 to -15 on mix 1, and 0 on mix 2, you've panned channel 3 to about three o'clock because you've given it about half again as much signal to the right side of the pair. Setting channel 3 to -oo (off) on mix 1, and 0 on mix 2 would be the same as panning it hard right. And setting channel 3 to 0 on both mix 1 and 2 is the same as panning it to center because both sides are being fed equal amounts of the channel 3. When in sends on faders mode, there is no actuall "pan" control. Simply the level controls of both left and right channels. In the previous scenario, mix 1 and mix 2 respectively. I hope this makes sense.


Sorry Mike, I forgot to mention that in the scenario I gave, you need to unlink your mixbus masters. So, in my scenario, mix 1 and mix 2 SHOULD NOT be linked in stereo. The reason is that the X32 keeps track of stereo imaging on linked busses / channels internally. When linked, the system assumes they are stereo, and deals with them accordingly. If you had mix 1 and 2 linked in my scenario, channel 3 would sit at the same level on both mixes via sends on faders, even though it may be panned via the rotary knobs next to the EQ section. I know... Weird...It's just a quirk of this console. Bottom line is, if you want to mix with Sends On Faders, UNLINK all you stereo paired mixbusses, and treat them as independant left and right busses for each IEM. Then you'll be able to use the faders as I described above. Sorry... I hope I haven't completely confused you here. Take it slow, experiment, and you'll get it. Good luck! 8)~:cool:~:cool:
 
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Re: X32 Discussion

Dan Mortensen said:
Here is the one good thing to result from this trip: pics of the insides of the console.
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Ohhh, nude porn... Love it!

It's amazing how much space that is left in the x32. Looking inside my DDA and the x32 - The DDA is loaded with pcb's and cables and almost no space left and you need to be atleast two persons to lift it.

I'm somewhat surprised to find the dsp-card so close to the analog circuitry given all the dead space inside....
 
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Hi,

Yes I had the same issue with my first, and second x32. The third one is a lot better but the noise still exists - just at a lower level - and only in the monitor and headphone outs. I can see from the photos that your desk has already had the 16/32 mod.
If you do have success with a procedure to fix this, can you please share it with me?
Like I said - the third desk is much better than the earlier two, but mine's in a studio, and when I have the 'fun' monitors going (Which have very efficient horn tweeters), the noise is obvious and detracts a little from the music.

Thanks
Pauly



Dan Mortensen said:
Thank you for asking this question again.


I just got back from driving 88 miles and spending 3 hours to find out that Behringer Service sent the local place a procedure for solving the Channel 16/32 noise problem, and not a procedure to solve the headphone/monitor noise problem. The local guy verified that my console didn't have a 16/32 noise problem, which I knew already.
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Re: wifi

Antoon van den Oetelaar said:
I only rebooted the router, assuming that it would choose some other frequency... But to be honest I'm not a real IT expert. Will try again.
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Depending on the router, it MAY choose a new channel on reboot, but most will need to be manually changed.

For anyone wondering if their WiFI channel is getting interferance, programs such as InSSIDer ( inSSIDer – Discover The Wi-Fi Around You | MetaGeek ) can help in seeing who is using what frequency.
 
Re: wifi

Antoon van den Oetelaar said:
Ok, but to do so, I have to connect a wired laptop, and acces the router homepage? Or is it also possible to do this on wifi via the ipad?
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Most routers can be accessed via a webpage on the router, so you should be able to log in and change channels that way. Keep in mind that once you change the channel, you will need to reconnect.
 
Re: wifi

Antoon van den Oetelaar said:
Ok, but to do so, I have to connect a wired laptop, and acces the router homepage? Or is it also possible to do this on wifi via the ipad?
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Most programs use the wifi in your laptop and use it to scan the frequencies.

Since you have an iPad - Go into the wifi settings and click the arrow of each detected network. It will show you what channels are being used by the different networks.

It will not show you hidden networks though.

Please note, no wifi scanner will show you other non-wifi equipment using the frequencies. So many devices are using the 2.4GHz today (bluetooth, wireless mouse/keyboard, remote controllers, wireless speakers, wireless mics/bodypacks, video transmitters, etc....) that you may not even be aware of its existance.

There are dedicated handheld 2.4GHz spectrum scanners on the market. Given how crowdy the wifi spectrum is any pro using wifi should probably need one in their toolbox nowdays.

Here is one scanner: Portable WLAN - WIFI Scanner 2.4GHz ISM Band-2146
 
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Re: X32 Discussion

Robert Lofgren said:
Ohhh, nude porn... Love it!

It's amazing how much space that is left in the x32. Looking inside my DDA and the x32 - The DDA is loaded with pcb's and cables and almost no space left and you need to be atleast two persons to lift it.

I'm somewhat surprised to find the dsp-card so close to the analog circuitry given all the dead space inside....
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If one of you gentleman would be kind enough to post the pictures, I'd love to see the inside of this thing.
 
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