Listening Get Together
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Depending on what the target market is-a trade show (for the target market) is a suggestion.
Infocomm is the largest install tradeshow in the world (or so they claim). But there are a lot more than just install guys there. Lots of tour guys and regular club guys frequent it as well as well as audio and video guys that are "just interested".
It is in June. But there are only a few small booths left.
Believe me-it will take a lot more than a review of a free speaker to get the word out there.
Depending on what the target market is-a trade show (for the target market) is a suggestion.
Infocomm is the largest install tradeshow in the world (or so they claim). But there are a lot more than just install guys there. Lots of tour guys and regular club guys frequent it as well as well as audio and video guys that are "just interested".
It is in June. But there are only a few small booths left.
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Thanks for the suggestions Ivan.
We are definitely planning things like that.
I will look into a booth at Infocomm. Thanks for that suggestion.
Thanks for the suggestions Ivan.
Agreed. It's all in good fun.
We are definitely planning things like that.
I will look into a booth at Infocomm. Thanks for that suggestion.
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Again... all in good fun. After all... it IS a BS contest.
It was intended to look cheesy and hand-written.That graphic/font sure screams "professional".~:-D~:grin:
Again... all in good fun. After all... it IS a BS contest.
Mark DeArman
Junior
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I have to admit that I passed around your FAQ
"
[h=4]What is a Manipulated Vortex Waveguide?[/h]"
at work as a joke and it got plenty of laughs.
I have to admit that I passed around your FAQ
"
[h=4]What is a Manipulated Vortex Waveguide?[/h]"
at work as a joke and it got plenty of laughs.
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Thank you for getting the joke. I was appalled at where this thread went until I got to this page. Went from offering help to attacking a logo?
We want to have a good time. Irony is hard to convey over the intertubes. I fully expected to get lambasted when we started putting anything out. And expect to get lambasted a lot more. Sound is fun, what we're all involved in is fun. We all help people have a good time with music
Infocomm has been my target for a show introduction for the last 6 months.
More to report after the weekend.
Thank you for getting the joke. I was appalled at where this thread went until I got to this page. Went from offering help to attacking a logo?
We want to have a good time. Irony is hard to convey over the intertubes. I fully expected to get lambasted when we started putting anything out. And expect to get lambasted a lot more. Sound is fun, what we're all involved in is fun. We all help people have a good time with music
Infocomm has been my target for a show introduction for the last 6 months.
More to report after the weekend.
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Since it may be understood but I don't see where it was actually stated, apparently Big E does not actually manufacture anything, they license their designs to multiple third party 'manufacturers', which include Leland Crooks and Doug Hart, a relationship that probably should have been identified.
While on that topic, that arrangement seems oriented toward sales direct to end users and while I am not clear whether it would BigE or GC Soundworks and Hart Designs Etc. who would actually be exhibiting at InfoComm, if you are looking at InfoComm to introduce products to the professional audio and AV market then I suggest you consider how you plan to address not only technical product information but also practical issues such as how contractors, production houses and pro dealers can become authorized dealers, product inventory, distribution, warranty (and pass-though via authorized dealers), service, replacement parts and so on. Regardless of the product, in the markets on which InfoComm is focused you also need to have the necessary support structure behind it in order to be successful. If that is not the markets you plan on serving then InfoComm may not be the best venue for you.
I do think that video addresses Doug's earlier comment and Ivan's responding point in that the response changes much more than the overall SPL level.
Have you ever attended InfoComm? A booth may be useful to get the name out but very limited as far as actually showing much about the speakers. A demo room and/or off site event is needed to be able to actually show a subwoofer or mains PA speaker in anything resembling real use.
Since it may be understood but I don't see where it was actually stated, apparently Big E does not actually manufacture anything, they license their designs to multiple third party 'manufacturers', which include Leland Crooks and Doug Hart, a relationship that probably should have been identified.
While on that topic, that arrangement seems oriented toward sales direct to end users and while I am not clear whether it would BigE or GC Soundworks and Hart Designs Etc. who would actually be exhibiting at InfoComm, if you are looking at InfoComm to introduce products to the professional audio and AV market then I suggest you consider how you plan to address not only technical product information but also practical issues such as how contractors, production houses and pro dealers can become authorized dealers, product inventory, distribution, warranty (and pass-though via authorized dealers), service, replacement parts and so on. Regardless of the product, in the markets on which InfoComm is focused you also need to have the necessary support structure behind it in order to be successful. If that is not the markets you plan on serving then InfoComm may not be the best venue for you.
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Hi Leland-
Well, work beckons. I won't be able to attend the listening party in Okla.
Good luck, and get some good measurements!
Hi Leland-
Well, work beckons. I won't be able to attend the listening party in Okla.
Good luck, and get some good measurements!
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Sorry to hear that Tim. We will get some cabs to you.
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I know all about having to make a living first. It's why I've been working 12 hrs a day for 3 woks to make a living and get ready for this
I know all about having to make a living first. It's why I've been working 12 hrs a day for 3 woks to make a living and get ready for this
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Thank you for a very informative post. I have not been to info com, but have been to several Namms. I've thought about the problem with a booth and the inability to really demo the product. I do have experience in distribution and dealer networks. I have a rough framework laid out. We intend to address every market as we grow the business. Baby steps
Thank you for a very informative post. I have not been to info com, but have been to several Namms. I've thought about the problem with a booth and the inability to really demo the product. I do have experience in distribution and dealer networks. I have a rough framework laid out. We intend to address every market as we grow the business. Baby steps
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You don't see anything like the "Dean Guitar girls" at Infocomm. And amp manufacturers don't hand out condoms saying "practice safe sound" at Infocomm either.
It is much more of a "stuckup" kinda crowd. But as a general rule- the install market (infocomms focus) is the largest sector of most loudspeaker manufacturers business.
Hence the reason we target it.
Namm and Infocomm are very different shows-but they do show a lot of the same gear at each-just with a different target market in mind.
You don't see anything like the "Dean Guitar girls" at Infocomm. And amp manufacturers don't hand out condoms saying "practice safe sound" at Infocomm either.
It is much more of a "stuckup" kinda crowd. But as a general rule- the install market (infocomms focus) is the largest sector of most loudspeaker manufacturers business.
Hence the reason we target it.
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So your main job is really running a chinese restaurant? Good to know.
Can I have egg-fried rice with my speakers please?
So your main job is really running a chinese restaurant? Good to know.
Can I have egg-fried rice with my speakers please?
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In spelling, as in building speakers, it's necessary to check your results and verify before posting.
In spelling, as in building speakers, it's necessary to check your results and verify before posting.
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Hi Leland or Doug,
Looking at the youtube videos, a couple of questions...
1) The "dual 18 test prototype model 218SLVX" cabinet in the one video shows rear facing drivers which are presumably firing into a reasonably long pathway. Typically when creating this sort of design, were I the designer, my goal would be to locate the drivers such that the output from the front and the rear of the driver could arrive simultaneously and in phase with each other in order to sum for increased output. It would seem to me that the configuration shown might be capable of significant output, but that multiple arrivals and a long path might negatively affect punch and usability in the higher end of the output spectrum (ie above 100hz). I am sure the designers have their reasoning for such a configuration, but I am curious.
2) The "LC8 Line Array PA Top" has a rear facing HF driver loaded into the "Vortex Waveguide", which presumably does some gymnastics with the audio passing through it (at the very least turning it 180deg). I have experimented with curved horns and found "smear" (low tech talk for multiple arrivals) to be evident even into the low midrange with such configurations, getting progressively more noticeable as the frequency rises. I can appreciate that BigE says that they are overcoming some traditional perceptions, but I would be interested to hear a more detailed account as to how this issue is addressed. The descriptions on the website of an "event horizon" are pretty vague, invoking reference to quantum mechanics and theoretical physics concepts. What does this waveguide actually look like? Are they actually making a real physics claim, or is this just marketing? For those reading along:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_horizon
http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2005-12/fulltext.html
From BigE - "transmit auditory information beyond line of sight with minimal loss. The Vortex Event Horizon will wrap around objects, obstructions, and up to boundaries providing a self-adjusting nature to the nearfield."
I am curious as well regarding how the above claim might impact reflection and especally further information regarding diffraction properties, which are commonly known to be frequency dependent, ie d sin(theta) = m lambda for nerds. If you have actually overcome the diffraction equation you will stir waves in the science community. And how could you derive a coverage pattern in this case?
Please don't take this post the wrong way, I am legitimately curious as to the responses to these questions.
Cheers
Jeff
Hi Leland or Doug,
Looking at the youtube videos, a couple of questions...
1) The "dual 18 test prototype model 218SLVX" cabinet in the one video shows rear facing drivers which are presumably firing into a reasonably long pathway. Typically when creating this sort of design, were I the designer, my goal would be to locate the drivers such that the output from the front and the rear of the driver could arrive simultaneously and in phase with each other in order to sum for increased output. It would seem to me that the configuration shown might be capable of significant output, but that multiple arrivals and a long path might negatively affect punch and usability in the higher end of the output spectrum (ie above 100hz). I am sure the designers have their reasoning for such a configuration, but I am curious.
2) The "LC8 Line Array PA Top" has a rear facing HF driver loaded into the "Vortex Waveguide", which presumably does some gymnastics with the audio passing through it (at the very least turning it 180deg). I have experimented with curved horns and found "smear" (low tech talk for multiple arrivals) to be evident even into the low midrange with such configurations, getting progressively more noticeable as the frequency rises. I can appreciate that BigE says that they are overcoming some traditional perceptions, but I would be interested to hear a more detailed account as to how this issue is addressed. The descriptions on the website of an "event horizon" are pretty vague, invoking reference to quantum mechanics and theoretical physics concepts. What does this waveguide actually look like? Are they actually making a real physics claim, or is this just marketing? For those reading along:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_horizon
http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2005-12/fulltext.html
From BigE - "transmit auditory information beyond line of sight with minimal loss. The Vortex Event Horizon will wrap around objects, obstructions, and up to boundaries providing a self-adjusting nature to the nearfield."
I am curious as well regarding how the above claim might impact reflection and especally further information regarding diffraction properties, which are commonly known to be frequency dependent, ie d sin(theta) = m lambda for nerds. If you have actually overcome the diffraction equation you will stir waves in the science community. And how could you derive a coverage pattern in this case?
Please don't take this post the wrong way, I am legitimately curious as to the responses to these questions.
Cheers
Jeff
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One can look at the educational offerings that are a major part of InfoComm and see how they reflect the focus of the show and who is likely to attend. Lots of contractors, consultants, system designers, production company techs, etc. in attendance and the end users who are there tend to be tech staff from universities, corporations, government agencies, churches and so forth.
There were the Visix girls in the orange wigs for several years and the line doubler twins the one year. And free neck and back massages.
Hey, I resemble that! How about more business like or more serious?
One can look at the educational offerings that are a major part of InfoComm and see how they reflect the focus of the show and who is likely to attend. Lots of contractors, consultants, system designers, production company techs, etc. in attendance and the end users who are there tend to be tech staff from universities, corporations, government agencies, churches and so forth.
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I later thought that "stuckup" was the wrong word (only some of the attendees are). Maybe words like "a bit more snobish" or if we are sticking w/s's then more Scientific-or Geekish.
Or in general "more picky" And some people see that as stuckup or snobish. But these are the types of people who do the real work and get things done and progress the industry. Then we let the "others" pull it back down---------------.
Remember- Be nice to nerds-one day you will probably work for one!
We all resemble that Brad!
I later thought that "stuckup" was the wrong word (only some of the attendees are). Maybe words like "a bit more snobish" or if we are sticking w/s's then more Scientific-or Geekish.
Or in general "more picky" And some people see that as stuckup or snobish. But these are the types of people who do the real work and get things done and progress the industry. Then we let the "others" pull it back down---------------.
Remember- Be nice to nerds-one day you will probably work for one!
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I will say your questions are going to take us down the rabbit hole.
Doug sent me a text about your questions Jeff. I am up to my neck getting ready for the weekend. It deserves a measured reply. Maybe tomorrow, Monday for sure.
I will say your questions are going to take us down the rabbit hole.