X32 Discussion

re: X32 Discussion

Hi All,
Clocking - How do we syncronise with the outside world?
As an example, I have an Avid Eleven Rack, and a SPL preamp that both have digital (SPDIF) outputs - So I have them plugged into my RME 9652 card SPDIF inputs - I also have the X32 plugged in via firewire.
Each of the two devices (Eleven Rack and Preamp) require an spdif clock signal as well for clocking.
So - Is the X32 magically syncronised to the RME card, and hence the other external units, or is there a way to derive a clock signal from the X32 that'll work?

Thanks
Pauly
 
Re: Using the X32 for Corporate Shows

Florian Parzer said:
if you pair/link matrix 1+2 the first encoder will control level and the second will control balance.

cheers,
flo
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Then the faders of Matrix 1 and 2 would be linked. I need independent control. Often CEO's like to stand in front of speakers while wearing a lav mic.
I suppose I could use the stereo for records, and a couple of mixes as the main left and right. Then I would have my independent oscillator feeds. And I'd have a nice fat meter on the records!

That's a reasonable compromise, but a compromise nevertheless. The LS9 just does what I want.

EDIT: No, that doesn't work, you can't feed mixes into mixes. Ah well..............

Thanks,
Mick Berg.
 
Re: Using the X32 for Corporate Shows

Mick,

Why do you have to run the house from a matrix? Can't you do the record send from a post fader aux (then you can boost the talking heads over any music stuff or whatever.)

It's pretty nice that this desk costs 2.5 times less than the Ls-9, eh?

-Declan
 
How to build a cheap digital console... powered by Midas

As I understand it, the X32 can take the 96K signal from the midas pro series, downsample it to 48K and use it.

I'm curious as to the differences in processing on the X32 and the pro series. I mean, how do you make "cheaper software" ?

There are a number of things which contribute to the X32's pricing point - build quality, pre-amp, AD converters and the surface interface itself (and off-line editor). Also number of inputs, outputs and busses.

But when it comes to number crunching - doing eq and summing signals, how much difference can there be ?

At some point in the future i'd like to get a pro2 and X32 side by side. Run inputs into the stage box of the pro2 and send those both to the X32 and pro2. Then try and do similar processing like eq curve and compare the results in Smaart. The gain and Q settings may be different on both consoles but I should be able to get the same result.

Next test take a handful of signals and mix them together in the same fashion. Do they also compare ?

I understand that the software with compressors and gates can be different eg midas's different options for compressing. And Effects can be different.

I'm trying to figure out in my head if there is such a thing as "dumbing down" software. Like making a cheaper analogue console can be done by substituting cheaper quality parts.

Andrew
 
re: X32 Discussion

Pauly Mel said:
Hi All,
Clocking - How do we syncronise with the outside world?
As an example, I have an Avid Eleven Rack, and a SPL preamp that both have digital (SPDIF) outputs - So I have them plugged into my RME 9652 card SPDIF inputs - I also have the X32 plugged in via firewire.
Each of the two devices (Eleven Rack and Preamp) require an spdif clock signal as well for clocking.
So - Is the X32 magically syncronised to the RME card, and hence the other external units, or is there a way to derive a clock signal from the X32 that'll work?

Thanks
Pauly
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Sync via Firewire is not possible. If you have two interfaces connected to the same computer they will not be in sync, unless you clock one to the other via normal methods.

The only methods I know of at the moment are:

Make x32 clock master and sync everythiing else to the stereo aes out.

Use the lynx aes pcie card which in theory can act as a bridge between word and aes50.
 
re: X32 Discussion

Per Søvik said:
Jan, assuming your routing is ok, I think it is fine from what I can remember, and assuming your computer can handle the processing, there shouldn´t be a problem as far as total latency is concerned, you would want around 10-20 ms of delay for mains anyway, but some plugins don´t report their latency correctly, and not all vst-hosts align correctly, so you might find that aligning lots of plugins for live use can be quite difficult.
I assume you want to run insert-type plugins to individual channels, stuff like de-essers, other dynamic eq, autotune and such. While it can be done, the latency when all is aligned might force you to physically align the mains by moving them further away from stage.
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Per,

Thank you for info.
On Saturday both X32s came.
I immediately update them from firmware 1.02 to 1.09.
Both of them have noise on channel 16 and 32.
I was able configure them: X32 (monitor)-X32 (FOH) and via Fiwi (32 inputs-8outputs) running VSTs on the host (Reaper or Studio One). It was quite nice.

With configuration of Fiwi 32inputs-32outputs I had some clipping and I suppose latency as well. More investigation is necessary from my side.

In the PC, I used internal Fiwi , because external Fiwi 800 express card with TI chipset have seen only X32 card and was impossible for me to configure to see inputs an outputs on Behringer’s Fiwi driver.

Next step for me is to check using of remote control for both X32 via Ethernet port and via power line. On FOH I would like to use Edimax AV Powerline Fast Ethernet Bridge with switch for connection of PC and X32(FOH) and for X32(Monitor mix) only use Edimax AV Powerline Fast Ethernet Bridge.
 
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re: X32 Discussion

Somebody asked me why I need more than 16 busses, well... in my application i use them as follows
4 busses are required for FX sends
1 - Drum master
1 - Drum Punch (kick+snare) heavily compressed
1 - 6 BGV's (compressed together)
1 - Rest of instruments

That's 8 total, and I'm left with only 8 for monitors but I need 12 monitor mixes, I don't like the idea of the P16, I like the idea of using an ipad or itouch to control each monitor mix as you can tap into any of the 40 inputs of the board (not limited to 16 channels).
 
re: X32 Discussion

Hi folks!

I watch this forum (as many others) for a long time now, and fortunately I ordered my X32 for my band early and got hold of it (thanks thomann!!!) at the beginning of august. So I was able to check many of the hints and tipps "online". (Many, many thanks to Christian at this postion!!!)

Last saturday we used the X32 running monitors for our Blues Brothers Cover Project (Jake and Elwood's Blues Review). I programmed everything offline with the XControl PC App and had two hours of teaching our band monitoring technician who used to run monitors on a Yamaha console.

All the signals from the 14 musicians on stage where splitted at the monitor position and led to the X32 on stage an to the FOH position. The three female and three male singers got their monitor-signal thru three in-ear-lines with two singers sharing the same stereo signal (with different panning). Drums and Keyboards had Behringer P16M personal Monitors to do their own monitor-mix. The four piece brass section had a special solution: they had a stereo-mix of all instruments and vocals fed into a Behringer Powerplay XL (4 channel headphone amp) and their own instrument-signal direct out of the X32 to the four auxilliary-inputs of the headphone amp. That way they were able to adjust the balance between their own instrument and the hole band. Only guitar and bass had floor wedges.

Here are some pictures of our setop:

Blues-Monitoring(20121013)_7.JPG Blues-Monitoring(20121013)_1.JPG Blues-Monitoring(20121013)_2.JPG Blues-Monitoring(20121013)_3.JPG Blues-Monitoring(20121013)_4.JPG Blues-Monitoring(20121013)_5.JPG
Blues-Monitoring(20121013)_6.JPG

Summary: the X32 worked perfect and is extremly felxible but still easy to use. Tow thumbs up for the hole Behringer Team!
 
re: X32 Discussion

Michael Kolar said:
Does anyone know when the next x32 webinar is scheduled for?
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Hi Guys,
I wanted to thank all the people who joined us this week for the two webinars we did!

We will be doing another Webinar Users Group next week.

If you are interested in joining us, please take a look at the future topics list.
Let me know what you are interested in from the list. If there is something you are interested in that is not on the list let me know.
If multiple people are interested in a topic, we will do that topic next.

- Configuring DCA, Subgroups and Matrix Mixes
- Routing In-depth
- P16 and the X32 - Overview and complete setup
- S16 and the X32 - Overview and complete setup
- DAW - I/O and Control Surface
- ProTools and the X32
- Logic and the X32
- Reaper and the X32

Best,
Joe Sanborn
Manager, Channel Marketing
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
 
re: X32 Discussion

Joe Sanborn said:
Hi Guys,
I wanted to thank all the people who joined us this week for the two webinars we did!

We will be doing another Webinar Users Group next week.

If you are interested in joining us, please take a look at the future topics list.
Let me know what you are interested in from the list. If there is something you are interested in that is not on the list let me know.
If multiple people are interested in a topic, we will do that topic next.

- Configuring DCA, Subgroups and Matrix Mixes
- Routing In-depth
- P16 and the X32 - Overview and complete setup
- S16 and the X32 - Overview and complete setup
- DAW - I/O and Control Surface
- ProTools and the X32
- Logic and the X32
- Reaper and the X32

Best,
Joe Sanborn
Manager, Channel Marketing
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
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DAW - I/O and Control Surface
Reaper and the X32
 
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re: X32 Discussion

Hi Joe,

- Configuring DCA, Subgroups and Matrix Mixes
- Routing In-depth
- DAW - I/O and Control Surface
- Reaper and the X32,
 
re: X32 Discussion

Joe Sanborn said:
Hi Guys,
I wanted to thank all the people who joined us this week for the two webinars we did!

We will be doing another Webinar Users Group next week.

If you are interested in joining us, please take a look at the future topics list.
Let me know what you are interested in from the list. If there is something you are interested in that is not on the list let me know.
If multiple people are interested in a topic, we will do that topic next.

- Configuring DCA, Subgroups and Matrix Mixes
- Routing In-depth
- P16 and the X32 - Overview and complete setup
- S16 and the X32 - Overview and complete setup
- DAW - I/O and Control Surface
- ProTools and the X32
- Logic and the X32
- Reaper and the X32

Best,
Joe Sanborn
Manager, Channel Marketing
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
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Will you provide these webinars for later view on youtube, vimeo or similar?

First time I was unable to logon and the last time my own schedule didn't allow me to participate...
 
re: X32 Discussion

Joe Sanborn said:
Hi Guys,
I wanted to thank all the people who joined us this week for the two webinars we did!

We will be doing another Webinar Users Group next week.

If you are interested in joining us, please take a look at the future topics list.
Let me know what you are interested in from the list. If there is something you are interested in that is not on the list let me know.
If multiple people are interested in a topic, we will do that topic next.

- Configuring DCA, Subgroups and Matrix Mixes
- Routing In-depth
- P16 and the X32 - Overview and complete setup
- S16 and the X32 - Overview and complete setup
- DAW - I/O and Control Surface
- ProTools and the X32
- Logic and the X32
- Reaper and the X32

Best,
Joe Sanborn
Manager, Channel Marketing
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
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Joe, I'm interested :
Configuring DCA, Subgroups and Matrix Mixes
- Routing In-depth
- S16 and the X32 - Overview and complete setup
- DAW - I/O and Control Surface
- Logic and the X32
 
re: X32 Discussion

Eric Eskam said:
Just to re-iterate Joe's suggestion, having a good UPS is really critical! Thankfully good UPS's are fairly inexpensive. I highly recommend a dual inverter/double conversion/online model. They are a little bit more, but they completely isolate you from the mains voltage - there are two inverters in them (hence the slightly higher cost) - one invertor runs your equipment off the battery, and there is a second that charges the battery.

Especially at an outdoor festival, club with bad wiring or any venue with wonky power a good UPS can be the cheapest insurance policy you can take out! Even better there are rack mounted versions to integrate cleanly in your setup - as long as you have 2U or so free :)

And this isn't directed at Greg but just a general statement. I'm always amazed that people will agonize about field upgrading of parts or having redundant components in case something dies, but then balk at paying $600 or so for a decent UPS. None of this equipment works without reliable power, and everything these days basically has a computer inside of it. If you are loosing power supplies or having other random equipment failure issues stop blaming the manufacturers (at least right off the bat) - start with the basics and make sure you have clean power!
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I do work with a UPS, as standard, since years, but it's in my big working rack for the gigs. As this console is still a bit "new" for me, I was working on it, at home , where power supply is good with extremely rare variations - as far as the UPS from my computer says. :razz:


FlightRegieUPS.jpg
( My previous rack - old DDX3216 - and new rack x32, both have UPS)

And even if the information of the 20ms gap limit is interesting, I don't think that it was the problem there.
 
re: X32 Discussion

Josh Tamez said:
Somebody asked me why I need more than 16 busses, well... in my application i use them as follows
4 busses are required for FX sends
1 - Drum master
1 - Drum Punch (kick+snare) heavily compressed
1 - 6 BGV's (compressed together)
1 - Rest of instruments

That's 8 total, and I'm left with only 8 for monitors but I need 12 monitor mixes, I don't like the idea of the P16, I like the idea of using an ipad or itouch to control each monitor mix as you can tap into any of the 40 inputs of the board (not limited to 16 channels).
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You need a second console to act as the monitor console (12 monitor mixes) - you're trying to stretch the limit of one. Time to pony up sir.
 
re: X32 Discussion

My interest:

- Configuring DCA, Subgroups and Matrix Mixes
- Routing In-depth
- P16 and the X32 - Overview and complete setup
- Reaper and the X32
 
re: X32 Discussion

For those in the US looking for an affordable ATA case OSP, made in china, is now making cases for the X32 and they are for sale for $270 shipped in the continental US. When I receive mine I will post pictures and general fit and finish opinions. I have owned several OSP cases in the past and they are very sturdy but the finish can be a little rough but not horrid. Overall I will say that I appreciate having OSP as an ATA case option versus going with the custom route.

Here is the link for those interested:

OSP ATA Mixer Case for Behringer X32 Digital Mixing Console

I will say that I have had great customer service from sigler music as well.
 
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