X32 Discussion

re: X32 Discussion

Hi Guys,
I wanted to thank all the people who joined us this week for the two webinars we did!

We will be doing another Webinar Users Group next week.

Hi Joe,

I'm especially interested in the following:
- Configuring DCA, Subgroups and Matrix Mixes
- P16 and the X32 - Overview and complete setup
- DAW - I/O and Control Surface
- Reaper and the X32

Another general question:
Is it possible to connect a midi-instrument (keyboard/drums) to the midi port of the X32? The manual states the port is for: "Sending and recieving MIDI commands via 5-pin DIN cables." So I quess that's a no. But maybe I'm wrong.

I tried opening the port in Reaper but it says something along the lines of 'Unable to open up the midi input on X_UF'

The 'MIDI In/Out' and Card MIDI are set to 'on' in the Remote Tab. MIDI remote works fine too in Reaper.
 
re: X32 Discussion

Thanks for the suggestion on the block diagrams! While we don't have too much of that worked into our PPT just yet, we'll see what we can add. In the meantime, there is an excellent block diagram in this style for the X32, which is already available. Check page 26 in the X32 Quickstart Guide =)

The text on that diagram is virtually unreadable - the resolution is too low. There is a much better full page version in the user manual on page 65
 
re: X32 Discussion

Hi Joe,

I'm especially interested in the following:
- Configuring DCA, Subgroups and Matrix Mixes
- P16 and the X32 - Overview and complete setup
- DAW - I/O and Control Surface
- Reaper and the X32

Another general question:
Is it possible to connect a midi-instrument (keyboard/drums) to the midi port of the X32? The manual states the port is for: "Sending and recieving MIDI commands via 5-pin DIN cables." So I quess that's a no. But maybe I'm wrong.

I tried opening the port in Reaper but it says something along the lines of 'Unable to open up the midi input on X_UF'

The 'MIDI In/Out' and Card MIDI are set to 'on' in the Remote Tab. MIDI remote works fine too in Reaper.


Midi is still midi dude, yes it will respond to "keyboard midi"... the only reason they say 5 pin din, is that is the makeup of the physical connector.
I can't understand why you would want to except maybe to change patches either on the console, or on the midi rig per song or something, but yes it would work
 
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Midi is still midi dude, yes it will respond to "keyboard midi"... the only reason they say 5 pin din, is that is the makeup of the physical connector.
I can't understand why you would want to except maybe to change patches either on the console, or on the midi rig per song or something, but yes it would work

You can't understand why? Well... Because the X32 is being used in a studio and I would like to use NI Kontakt via keyboard. If there's a working port on the X32 there's no need to buy a separate MIDI interface. I understand that MIDI equipment will most likely use a 5-pin DIN connector. The underlined part was about 'commands' But I guess a keystroke on a keyboard could also be classified as a command. I thought they maybe ment controller commands.

Could someone then please explain what the right procedure would be to use the midi port. The manual isn't really helping me here. The port is visible on the pc and set to 'on' on the X32 as stated in my last post. But it won't work in the standalone Kontakt VST nor in reaper. I could try to reïnstall the drivers. But maybe I'm overlooking something here...
 
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Hi!


I've just ordered myself a x32 and will probably get it within a month or so...


I'm wondering, since x32 is coreaudio and coremidi compliant, has anyone connected it to the iPad yet to see if it works and if it works with Auria - That would be truly awesome!


Feature request: Toggle between pre/post faders and processing in the first metering page.


While trying out a demo board in a store I found that my fingers slipped on the fader caps. I'm thinking of replacing them with some other type that suits my fingers better. Am I alone on this one?

And it has arrived - Ahead of schedule.

Not much sleep tonight it seems...

Now, where shall I put my StudioLive24?
 
re: X32 Discussion

Hi Chris,

Thank you for joining.
I want to use 3rd party audio processing software in conjunction with the console.

Last weekend I have tried setup:
X32(monitor) <->X32(FOH) <-> PC (to run VST host program)

On X32(FOH) I did setup:
1[SUP]st[/SUP].FiWi 32in/32out, the routing on card was mirroring of all input channel from X32(monitor) via AES50A1 to AES50A32.
2[SUP]nd[/SUP]. Home Routing selected inputs (Card 1-32)

With this setup when I run some VSTs on PC I had distorted signal on the inputs 1-32 of X32(FOH).

But when I did in Home Routing selection of Aux inputs (Card 1-4) which is I expect Aux return, it was working perfect, no distortion, no noticeable delay for VST plugins,… What is reason for that it was working? According to Block Diagram, from FiWi card both inputs 1-32 and Aux return are on I/O Patch.

According this it could be nice to understand, how the FiWi output and inputs are routed in the I/O patch and on the DSP patch boards.
I would like to ask, what kind of routing for FiWi card I could use to work it like send/return?


Jan Tapak


Hi Jan,
First I would also like to introduce myself. My name is John DiNicola and I am a BEHRINGER Product Specialist in the NYC area, covering the Northeast US.

The routing configuration you used looks correct to me, so I am thinking the problem may be on the software/computer side.
I know myself and others on our team have tried a similar configuration successfully with the Waves MultiRack host.
Does your software program have settings for "buffering" If so, I would try raising this a notch or two (For example: 128 rather than 64, or 256 instead of 128).
With higher buffering, the load on your computer is reduced. Keep in mind that there is a tradeoff, as higher buffering will increase latency.

I am not sure why you had success when routing back to AUX 1-4, as it should not matter where you route the signal back on the X32.
Were you only processing 4 channels on the computer when you did it this way? Perhaps the computer was bogged down when processing 32 simultaneous channels.

One final thought is your digital trim settings on your inputs. When using the FIWI or any other digital input on the X32, the Mic Amp Gain encoder will control a digital trim (ranging from -12dB to +12dB). If the signal coming back from your computer is a bit hot, then backing the trim down a few dB on each input channel could help.

Please send a PM to Chris or myself with some more details on your computer (OS, Software Package, Hardware, etc) and we will do our best to advise further.

Hope it helps!

Best,
John DiNicola
Senior Specialist, Product Support
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
 
re: X32 Discussion

Hi Jan,
First I would also like to introduce myself. My name is John DiNicola and I am a BEHRINGER Product Specialist in the NYC area, covering the Northeast US.

The routing configuration you used looks correct to me, so I am thinking the problem may be on the software/computer side.
I know myself and others on our team have tried a similar configuration successfully with the Waves MultiRack host.
Does your software program have settings for "buffering" If so, I would try raising this a notch or two (For example: 128 rather than 64, or 256 instead of 128).
With higher buffering, the load on your computer is reduced. Keep in mind that there is a tradeoff, as higher buffering will increase latency.

I am not sure why you had success when routing back to AUX 1-4, as it should not matter where you route the signal back on the X32.
Were you only processing 4 channels on the computer when you did it this way? Perhaps the computer was bogged down when processing 32 simultaneous channels.

One final thought is your digital trim settings on your inputs. When using the FIWI or any other digital input on the X32, the Mic Amp Gain encoder will control a digital trim (ranging from -12dB to +12dB). If the signal coming back from your computer is a bit hot, then backing the trim down a few dB on each input channel could help.

Please send a PM to Chris or myself with some more details on your computer (OS, Software Package, Hardware, etc) and we will do our best to advise further.

Hope it helps!

Best,
John DiNicola
Senior Specialist, Product Support
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER

Hi John,

Thank you for feedback.
I am glad hearing you that you tested with the Waves MultiRack host.
As VST host I used Reaper and Studio One. Not both of them at the same time of course. I have tested it without recording of 32 channels. Only 1st channel connected to the mic.
As computer I have used HP ElitBook8530w with Windows XP;servise pack3;with Intel Core Duo CPU P8700 2.53GHz; 4GB of RAM.

Jan Tapak
 

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Re: Using the X32 for Corporate Shows

Mick,

Why do you have to run the house from a matrix? Can't you do the record send from a post fader aux (then you can boost the talking heads over any music stuff or whatever.)

It's pretty nice that this desk costs 2.5 times less than the Ls-9, eh?

-Declan

I have several zones of PA, each of which may need to be independently reduced in volume at any time. The Stereo is the "gas pedal", and the matrixes are the different zones.

That's how I do the records normally. I was just looking for a workaround because of this limitation of the X32. At the moment it's a show-stopper.

Mick Berg.
 
Re: Using the X32 for Corporate Shows

Hey thanks for doing those webinars. But is there any way for those of us that couldn't login in due to bad timing to be able to watch them? Maybe on YouTube or Vimeo, or something. That would be awesome!
 
Re: Using the X32 for Corporate Shows

I have several zones of PA, each of which may need to be independently reduced in volume at any time. The Stereo is the "gas pedal", and the matrixes are the different zones.

That's how I do the records normally. I was just looking for a workaround because of this limitation of the X32. At the moment it's a show-stopper.

Mick Berg.


Hello

If adding two rackspaces of f.e. Behringer MX882 Ultralink pro is o.k you could have six stereo matrix outputs for uner 200€ - of course it is outside of desk, but still not too bad.

I am sure there are many possibilities to do it like this with other similar products, too.
 
re: X32 Discussion

DThanks for the suggestion on the block diagrams! While we don't have too much of that worked into our PPT just yet, we'll see what we can add.

Just be sure to have handouts we can download ahead of time and use at our own pace to follow along with you!

In the meantime, there is an excellent block diagram in this style for the X32, which is already available. Check page 26 in the X32 Quickstart Guide =)


Yes, but it's trying to show "everything at once". What I was imagining was "here is a mic with some gain set, a little compression, eq, and verb. It's being sent to the house, a monitor mix and a channel for recording". Minimally I think two diagrams - one for the first sentance and then a second for the latter - different real world use cases that can be compared and contrasted would help greatly. For the use cases, having a list of settings would also be very helpful. For an example I'm thinking along the lines of most GPS or mapping programs where in addition to graphical or turn by turn, there is often a view of the directions in pure text/list form. If I wanted to duplicate your example in the console, what would I have to do in a step by step manner. I know I'm asking for allot and doing it well can be time consuming, but it's hugely helpful for those of us who are still trying to wrap our heads around all of this :)

and I'm more than willing to look at something ahead of time and give feedback. I'm sure there are others that would be willing to help you "beta test" your materials. And I've been on (and currently am in) many betas - I know how to get things and not spread them prematurely :)

If there are any specific aspects of the routing you want us to cover, let us know and we will be sure to include them in the Webinar!

I think the basics - typical vocalist setup like I outlined above. EFX routing, when to use what slots, using mix busses vs DCA groups, basics for recording via either FireWire or USB... Common setups like we have where the subs get their own out separate from the house... That sort of stuff. Any time you can define a real world scenario and then go about explaining how to use the product to solve that is ALWAYS going to be more interesting than a rote discussion of features or capabilities. I can read your guys web site, the manual is out there - I want to see how the X32 can work for me! WIIFM - "What's in it for me?" You customers are asking that - you need to get in their shoes and ask the same question, then answer them.

Also remember that we, like I suspect many of your potential customers, are coming from an analog world so a few of the functions, capabilities and flexibility are new, and there is probably quite a bit that we don't even realize we can do yet! You guys that created the thing or have been digital for years need to keep that in mind ;) So we may not know what to ask for. If the X32 enables a killer workflow, but no one asks to see it - show it anyway! We may not have known we could ask for it. Community feedback can be good, but please don't get totally caught up in it. Finally don't assume everyone knows all the background - don't skip "obvious" steps, be sure to define all acronyms at least once, etc...

I look forward to your session! Ask Joe for the webinar link I sent him - or I can see if I can dig it up again, more good tips in there. But please give me something to download ahead of time so i can follow along or refer back at my own pace. Some of it is due to my ADD nature, but some of it is if a point is raised it's easier for me to flip back to review something than to try to get the presenter to. And call me old fashion, but even though I am typing this on an iPad I still prefer pen and paper to take meeting notes on!
 
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Re: Using the X32 for Corporate Shows

I have several zones of PA, each of which may need to be independently reduced in volume at any time. The Stereo is the "gas pedal", and the matrixes are the different zones.

Cant you treat your multiple zones as individual monitor mixes and use either P16s or a second X32?
 
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The text on that diagram is virtually unreadable - the resolution is too low. There is a much better full page version in the user manual on page 65

Dear Dave,

Thanks for that, it does seem a bit higher res in the full users manual version.

Thanks!

Chris Painter
Specialist, Product Support
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
 
re: X32 Discussion

If I have preamp inputs bussed to different channels, say I have 6 vocal channels split for monitors/FOH, does the card output follow the input pres or the channel they are assigned to? Or both? If I could not duplicate those channels on the recording it would be nice. Assuming all recording taps are pre everything.
 
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If I have preamp inputs bussed to different channels, say I have 6 vocal channels split for monitors/FOH, does the card output follow the input pres or the channel they are assigned to? Or both? If I could not duplicate those channels on the recording it would be nice. Assuming all recording taps are pre everything.

well, you could always just not record enable the extra tracks. still, this is a good question. i just set my X32s up for record an hour or so ago, so i'm learning how all this works as well. i might be able to test it tomorrow and let you know how it works.

i'm actually rather hoping it taps the record at the top of each channel [post pre of course] since i want to be able to do virtual soundcheck stuff and i've got some of my inputs cross patched to different channels. i'd much prefer to just flip inputs from analog to card and have everything come up in the same place.
 
Re: Using the X32 for Corporate Shows

I have several zones of PA, each of which may need to be independently reduced in volume at any time. The Stereo is the "gas pedal", and the matrixes are the different zones.

That's how I do the records normally. I was just looking for a workaround because of this limitation of the X32. At the moment it's a show-stopper.

Mick Berg.

i've been puzzling over your subthread since i used to do exactly the kind of work you are describing and i know exactly what you're wanting to do. the way you're routing things is exactly how i used to do it on a long string of various analog and digital yamaha desks. i was trying to find a good workaround, since these are the kind of puzzles i like to solve, but have been unsuccessful. having just set up the X32 in our church, i've come to the conclusion that the central issue is simply that there is no way to make any pair of outputs [mixbus, matrix, whatever] stereo [with the incumbent panning ability] without also locking the output faders together. if there were simply a check mark to decide whether the output faders would be linked, this would solve the problem.

this brings up a related issue i'm having. i want to use a stereo mix bus as a video record feed, but i pretty much just want to set the input faders to unity [post fader] and have it track the main mix. problem is, i'd also like it to track the main mix PANS as well. currently i do not see any way to accomplish this on the X32. on every Yammie digital i've ever used 'panlink' was a cheackable option. I'd really love to see that get added in a firmware update.

i do think that if they addressed these two concerns, there would little left to prevent the small/medium corporate world from being all over this desk, other than the Fear of Behringer...