X32 Discussion

Re: iPad and WiFi

I had the same problem, although I had set everything up as in manual....

my friend, who is very good at computers looked at it and immediately noticed, that my Airport was sharing the same IP as the iPad or X32 - can´t remember which. So he adressed all Three units with different IP.s and it has been working wonderfully ever since.

It looks like the default address of the Airport units is 10.0.1.1, so following instructions, it is very easy to give the X32 the same address, since it is kinda defaulting to xxx.xxx.xxx.1. Using a slightly high number for the X32 somwhere in the region of xxx.xxx.xxx.25 to xxx.xxx.xxx.50 should minimize the risk of ever conflicting with anything that receives the address by DHCP. The Ipad normally sorts itself out just fine, so that shouldn't be a worry as long as the X32 doesn't conflict with the Airport.
 
Re: X32 discussion - Some pictures !

Hello Everyone !

Please find some pictures of my last event, I usually never do monitors, for this event, I wanted to try the X32 in Monitor mix situation, it was pretty fine !! Next show will be 4 rock bands in a large club, will see how the vertec and the x32 get along !

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And some pics of the new roadcases I got, these are made custom with dog house and wheels.

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Where is the x32 case in the pictures from?
 
Re: iPad and WiFi

It looks like the default address of the Airport units is 10.0.1.1, so following instructions, it is very easy to give the X32 the same address, since it is kinda defaulting to xxx.xxx.xxx.1. Using a slightly high number for the X32 somwhere in the region of xxx.xxx.xxx.25 to xxx.xxx.xxx.50 should minimize the risk of ever conflicting with anything that receives the address by DHCP. The Ipad normally sorts itself out just fine, so that shouldn't be a worry as long as the X32 doesn't conflict with the Airport.

The Airport can be set to allow only a certain number of IP addresses for wireless connection and it's possible to define the starting address of that block.

There is no problem using incremental numbers for fixed IP addresses and doing so might make it easier for users to remember what is what. The X32 could be *.*.*.2, other devices (Itechs, for example) could begin at *.3, and the ipad would be issued its address by the Airport DHCP. It is not necessary to leave gaps in fixed IP address numbers.
 
Re: iPad and WiFi

The Airport can be set to allow only a certain number of IP addresses for wireless connection and it's possible to define the starting address of that block.

There is no problem using incremental numbers for fixed IP addresses and doing so might make it easier for users to remember what is what. The X32 could be *.*.*.2, other devices (Itechs, for example) could begin at *.3, and the ipad would be issued its address by the Airport DHCP. It is not necessary to leave gaps in fixed IP address numbers.

I get that, but since there is no guarantee that the X32 will be connected when the network configures itself, it is best to move the X32 up high enough so any dynamic ip allocation is bound to not be the same as the one the X32 will be looking to use when it comes online.

Edit PS: The X32 address doesn't have to be as high as 20 if the block of wireless addresses is above whatever address is chosen for the X32, but it avoids promlems if there is enough room below the X32 address to make certain that no matter what the network might look like, the X32 address is left clear by any dynamic ip allocation.
 
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Re: X32 discussion

Hey Joe / Chris,

Has anyone tested the X32 with the Klark Teknik DN9650? That would let the studio guys use an external clock for less than $1K, and also allow 1:1 channel repatching, right? I suppose since the DN9650 only has outputs other than AES50, any thought to make an AES50 output module?

Can't wait to see the iphone app! Also, any chance to swap the positions of the ducker/expander? I sure do need to use that expander and comp together to clean up noisy sources like guitar amps for live use!

Thanks!

Declan Slater
Everlasting Sound
Champlin, Mn.

Hi Declan,

Looking at the KT DN9650, this would give you an external Word Clock which would be a cool option for studios.
As far as the re-patch question this would not work as the DN9650 is setup for Midas and KT AES50 which is 24 channel bi directional AES50.
They use 24 channel as they need to be 96K compatible. Which as it goes... higher sampling rate = less channels down the cable.

The X32 is using 48 bi-directional channels.

(from DN9650 manual)
Each connector supports 24 bi-directional channels operating at a fixed sampling frequency of 96kHz for compatibility with existing Midas and Klark Teknik AES50-equipped products.

I will check with the development team on the ducker/expander question.

Best
Joe Sanborn
Manager, Channel Marketing
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
 
Re: X32 discussion

Hello Joe,
I'm using the X32 for about two weeks now. It is a great board which is working fine - when I'm using it without a computer. When I'm using it with my Cubase 64-Bit I've got strange driver-problems. Here some details about my computer:

Windows 7 64-Bit (German) with all updates (at least it should have all )
Steinberg Cubase 6.0.7 64-Bit
Behringer X32 Archwave Driver v5.25 (both Firewire and USB)
Behringer X32 with Firmware v1.09 (it had v1.02 on delivery)
Intel Core i7 processor
NEC Firewire-Card (PCI) or VIA Card (onboard) [Windows 7 delivers "NEW" and "OLD" firewire drivers. I've tested both]


some background:
I'm using digital recording-interfaces for several years - so I'm not completely new to this. I've used a TASCAM US1641 (USB) and two Alesis MultiMix 16 Firewire for recording with Cubase 4 and Cubase 6 (the Alesis were daisy-chained to record 32 channels). I've never had problems with the drivers even at very low latency. So my computer-setup should be OK.


Problem with Firewire:
The first time I've connected the X32 by Firewire. I've got a good signal input but suddenly I've received strange noise on top of the signal. I've made a recording of this: you can download the file from here, because I'm not allowed to attache ZIP-files or MP3s here: noisyrecording. I had to increase the buffer-size to 40ms for each Input and Output - so I had 80ms turnaround-latency - but the noise is not the standard clicking, when the latency is too low so that the computer cannot manage it - it sounds like the board and the XUF has slightly different samplerates. OK, with this high latency it seems to work most of the time, but sometimes I have to change the buffersize several times to get the Firewire connection working. I've tried the firewire connection with an old Pentium M Notebook and everything was working - so it seems to be a problem with the 64-bit driver? I've tested with 32 in/32 out, 32 in / 8 out - same problem.

In the old(!) behringer-forum someone has written about the problem I've figured out with firewire, too. He had this after flashing firmware version 1.09. Is this possible? Is this a known problem and is someone working on it? Can I help you in some way?

Problem with USB:
Then I've tried the USB-Connection. Here the latency can be much lower, but sometimes I've got strange readings within Cubase in the field "Clock source" (please have a look at the attached pictures). But the board was working. Strange, but OK if it is working, but: yesterday I tried to record our band but suddenly cubase showed me 64 inputs instead of 32. The Archwave drivers seems to be able to manage multiple X32, but here the driver seemed not to reset the list. I did not have time to check everything - I simple rerouted the cubase-inputs to input 33 to 64 and it worked, but this is not a solution.


Minor Issue with XControl:
I'm from Germany and I'm using a german character within my username. XControl starts with "IO ERROR" because it cannot access my home-directory which is name with a german "ö". I've solved this by creating a new username with only US-characters, but maybe it is easy to fix this for the next release :)

Issue with Latency-Compensation on Cubase:
On dub-recording I've figured out some problems with the latency-correction. Cubase automatically corrects the latency of the recorded material and moves the recorded audio on the timeline. For this Cubase takes the transmitted latency-information of the driver. I recorded some audio with lower latency, but Cubase moved the audio to much to the left, so it "over"-compensates the recorded audio. Maybe this problem is related to the problems above? I used the USB-connection for recording.

Thank you very much for any help!

kind regards,
Chris

Hi Chris,
I will try to help with this, but this gets more into PC trouble shooting.
The link below may help if you have some setting issues.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xtbjbtf117bxrtz/X32 and Reaper Control Surface functions.doc

Members of my team have tested a PC running Reaper and Sonar with the X32 and get 32 in and 32 out, clean audio.
On the PC it can get into many factors such as OS, DAW, hardware, etc.

I have asked our development team if they have any experience with Cubase and will let you know if I hear anything.

Hope it helps. Will keep you posted it I hear anything.

Best
Joe Sanborn
Manager, Channel Marketing
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
 
Re: X32 discussion - Some pictures !

Hello Everyone !

Please find some pictures of my last event, I usually never do monitors, for this event, I wanted to try the X32 in Monitor mix situation, it was pretty fine !! Next show will be 4 rock bands in a large club, will see how the vertec and the x32 get along !

View attachment 5187View attachment 5188View attachment 5189View attachment 5190View attachment 5191

And some pics of the new roadcases I got, these are made custom with dog house and wheels.

View attachment 5192View attachment 5193View attachment 5194

Hi Othmane,

Awesome pictures!
The venue looks really cool.

Best
Joe Sanborn
Manager, Channel Marketing
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
 
Re: iPad and WiFi

Hello


I had the same problem, although I had set everything up as in manual....

my friend, who is very good at computers looked at it and immediately noticed, that my Airport was sharing the same IP as the iPad or X32 - can´t remember which. So he adressed all Three units with different IP.s and it has been working wonderfully ever since.

I take my iPad home and work, and there are two WiFi-internet networks, where I connect regularly. Upon returning to X32 I just select that network from iPad and away I go again.

i think this should really be in the manual for us "dummies" - in all engineering there are some things, that are obvious as breathing to those regularly involved. Then for us, who ned it only seldom, it becomes a nightmare - I had two weeks of very dissapointed feeling about remote-control, but now I feel comfortable.

Hi Guys,
I am putting together an Engineers' Quick Start Guide that will list these types of chores as a quick reference.
Should be able to share next week.

In the mean time, this is how to setup the router for iPad use with the X32:
1. Connect the X32 “Ethernet” jack to a wireless router.
2. From your wireless router setup screen, write down the IP address for the router and select an available address to assign to the X32.
3. Push the setup button and use the page select button to page to the “network” tab. 4. Enter the IP address that you chose for the X32. 5. Set the subnet mask to 255.255.255.0 6. Enter the IP address of the router in the “gateway” field.
7. Connect your iPad to the wireless router to which the X32 is connected. 8. Download the Xi Control software from the App Store and open it. 9. Enter the IP address for your X32 and tap connect.

iPad Router.jpg

Hope it helps!

Best
Joe Sanborn
Manager, Channel Marketing
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
 
Re: X32 controlled with an iPhone

Hey guys

Has anyone managed to get Sonar to work as Mackie Control with the X32 yet, I'm still in the dark with it ???
Everything else works 100%....

Andre

Hi Andre,

I did contact the Sonar people. It seems this is an implementation issue on their end.
There may be an update coming out to address this from Cakewalk.

I will post any progress on this if I hear anything.

Best
Joe Sanborn
Manager, Channel Marketing
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
 
Re: X32 Discussion

I don't think I saw anyone react to Uli's little postscript about the S16 shipping. Has anyone actually been able to pick one up from a store? The retailer I bought it from here in Ottawa is being told they won't be getting a shipment before the end of December.

Kevin

Nope however Thomann in Germany have now slipped their receipt date from the 26th Nov to the 16th Dec as a result of Uli's little announcement so things seem to be going backwards. I've had one on order for a long time from Thomann.
 
Re: iPad and WiFi

Any date on a full function Xicontrol? I still can't get my iPad to stay connected but if I did the app still doesn't do the things I need. I think this is a big priority for corporate and wedding work. I can't mix without access to EQ and fx settings.
 
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