X32 Discussion

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On the S16 front, I noticed today that Thomann have removed the expected date, last time I looked I think it said november 27th or maybe 17th.
 
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Yes we want $50,000+ feature sets because it is possible,

The problem with that is that it kills the Midas brand. After spending at least $15m on buying and expanding Midas, it's unreasonable to think Uli will kill that golden goose that provided much of the advance pedigree behind the X32 marketing.

Or compare with Yamaha - there are good reasons the LS9 and M7 lack certain features like input delay, called the PM5D and CL5.
 
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Done 3 pretty varied and intensive shows with varying monitor requirements and radically different music styles....from straight on Bluegrass, a Kiss Tribute and a frantic party band with 6 vocal mics.
Overall I am very pleased with,
1. The overall sound of the console. It sounds full and robust to me.
2. The FX sound great. I used 4 send/ return FX and inserted the Wave Designer on kick/snare channels.
3. The comps, while lacking an auto setting sound very good and with the sidechain filter can be made to behave well in many cases.
4. The metering is very easy to see and use. The board overall is VERY easy to see which matters to me a lot as I am severely visually challenged. Kind of like iPhone text...small but crisp and my eyes can read them.
5. 2track instant recording is just plain convenient and cool.
6. That I can offer multitrack recording on a whim is added value for my clientele.
7. DCAs are a must. Can't imagine having a digital console without them.

Cons..
Wish USB stick could play different kinds of files. I realize sample rate is a fixed thing.
Need EQ on FX returns.
Would like bypass button on FX edit screen.

More later

Dear John,

This is great feedback, and we're glad your enjoying the X32! I can't help but to throw out a couple suggestions to address your cons.

In regards to recording on the USB stick, yes this is wave file only for now. Apparently there are some hefty licencing fees involved with implementing all of the MP3 formats and stuff, which would ultimately affect the price of the mixer.

Your correct that the FX returns on input layer 3 does not implement EQ. However, you can always assign the FX return to one of the 6 AUX channels. Then you can use EQ on the FX return. Or if you have any channels left available, you could use channels 31/32 for example as the FX return which would then give you EQ, dynamics and everything. It is also worth pointing out the most the effects themselves, actually incorporate EQ in the FX screen. I highly recommend checking that out to see if it is adequate enough to achieve what you're looking for.

You're right there is no bypass on the FX screen, but there are a couple other ways around it. One way is to use the Mute Groups to bypass the FX. You can even assign all 4 FX returns to a single mute group. Alternately, you also have the Assign buttons. You can "assign" one of these buttons to be a mute for any channel, AUX, FX, Bus, Matrix or Main.

I hope this helps!


Chris Painter
Specialist, Product Support
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
 
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Hi Guys,
I wanted to share a post from Kyle Van Sandt at the Egg Performing Arts Center in Albany NY.
I was contacted by Kyle as the Egg is about to replace their monitor console and they wanted to give the X32 a try.

Check out Kyle's assessment after using the X32 this weekend:
behringer x32 - Page 2

Kyle had an number of artists this weekend to mix including Bela Fleck!

the egg 2.jpg

Best
Joe Sanborn
Manager, Channel Marketing
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
 
Sitting in at Day 2 of Tech Rehearsals for a local theatre company. X32 is controlling 23 channels of wireless (16 E6i, 6 Senn lavs and 1 HH, all Sennheiser beltpacks), also a few channels from the Orchestra pit and stereo playback of some sound cues. I'm using a combo and DCAs and some scene programming to run the show. It's my first run with this group and they are quite pleased so far.

Another win for the X32 imo (knock on wood).

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Hi guys. Apologies if this has already been covered but I'm just wondering if anyone has discovered an alternate hub to the Behringer p16-d for the P16-m headphone mixers? $190 seems a bit steep for an 8 port hub. I've tried a Netgear 10/100 5port switch ($40 here in Australia) but alas, no go. x32 Ultranet won't talk to it at all.

Any tips would be appreciated.
 
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Hi guys. Apologies if this has already been covered but I'm just wondering if anyone has discovered an alternate hub to the Behringer p16-d for the P16-m headphone mixers? $190 seems a bit steep for an 8 port hub. I've tried a Netgear 10/100 5port switch ($40 here in Australia) but alas, no go. x32 Ultranet won't talk to it at all.

Any tips would be appreciated.

By definition, a hub re-broadcasts all received packets to all nodes on the network. A switch routes packets to only their intended host. The switch will fundamentally not work.

AES50, as I found out in a previous post, uses only Ethernet layer 1 (the physical layer), and doesn't really use protocols like normal networks would. So, the hub they provide is likely nothing like you're going to get on Newegg.

I'm not a networking expert, so there is likely someone else that can explain this much better, but those are my ideas.
 
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Hi guys. Apologies if this has already been covered but I'm just wondering if anyone has discovered an alternate hub to the Behringer p16-d for the P16-m headphone mixers? $190 seems a bit steep for an 8 port hub. I've tried a Netgear 10/100 5port switch ($40 here in Australia) but alas, no go. x32 Ultranet won't talk to it at all.

Any tips would be appreciated.

The best tip is pony up the $190 and get what you need to do the job. If you want to make the purchase seem less frightening, go look a the price for an aviom "hub".
 
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Hi guys. Apologies if this has already been covered but I'm just wondering if anyone has discovered an alternate hub to the Behringer p16-d for the P16-m headphone mixers? $190 seems a bit steep for an 8 port hub. I've tried a Netgear 10/100 5port switch ($40 here in Australia) but alas, no go. x32 Ultranet won't talk to it at all.

Ultranet is not Ethernet at all except for the physical cables and connectors. Contrary to another previous post ultranet is NOT aes 50 either.

It wouldn't be too hard to design and build a splitter but with a Behringer distributor if anything goes wrong you should be covered by warranty.
 
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The problem with that is that it kills the Midas brand. After spending at least $15m on buying and expanding Midas, it's unreasonable to think Uli will kill that golden goose that provided much of the advance pedigree behind the X32 marketing.

Or compare with Yamaha - there are good reasons the LS9 and M7 lack certain features like input delay, called the PM5D and CL5.

There is definitely that consideration, but that shouldn't stop us from wanting certain features. A $300 Pentium PC with onboard display card will run the same software as a $ 2000 i7 with the newest Matrox card, but not as well, so the more expensive computer will sell because it will always have an advantage over the cheaper competition, for those who need or want the extra power. All the firmware in the world will never turn the X32 into an XL8, and those who buy an XL8 will never opt for an X32 instead. Anyway, I'll let Uli worry about the marketing and wether a certain feature is good or bad in that respect, and continue asking for any feasible and useful feature that might be implemented within the constraints of the technology inside the X32.
 
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I am also taken aback by some of the expectations from users, too.... someone recently asked, "What do you expect for US$3,000?" It's apparent that some users expect $50,000+ feature sets.

The X32 is a digital mixer, and the really, really important thing about digital mixers is the software bit. Anything done in the digital domain is all software, and all software is free. Ok, it costs man-hours to write the stuff, but there is no cost per each manufactured thing, so it doesn't matter cost-wise if there is useless software in the thing, or stellar software. So the tall foreheads can continue to enhance the X32 with features until they run out of somehard resource like memory or DSP power.

Or compare with Yamaha - there are good reasons the LS9 and M7 lack certain features like input delay, called the PM5D and CL5.

This is, as I don't need to explain to anyone round here, market segmentation. There is no reason at all why the LS9 can't have DCAs, other than it differentiates the LS9 from other more expensive mixers.

Behringer don't have this problem. Next up from the X32 is the Pro series from Midas, and no-one is going to confuse the two brands, leastways for a while yet. So Behringer can continue to incrementally improve the the X32 (and miX16, and X16r) software creating the features that the users want. Features that Yamaha (for example) deny users for market segmentation reasons.


The problem with that is that it kills the Midas brand. After spending at least $15m on buying and expanding Midas, it's unreasonable to think Uli will kill that golden goose that provided much of the advance pedigree behind the X32 marketing.

Uli will have killed and buried the mid-range products from Yamaha and A&H and all the other "next rung up" companies completely before the X32 represents a threat to Midas and DiGiCo etc.

The Music Group have, as someone has already pointed out hundreds of not thousands of posts ago, the full range of mixers. From low cost analogue, low cost digital, moderately expensive digital, and very expensive digital. Three of the four of that lot can (it appears) be interconnected!!!

How will we know the X32 has won: when A&H discontinue the GL2400s. The GLs is where decent mixing begins, where no feature on the desk sucks. The GL2400-32 is in the same order of price as the X32. The GL was the natural choice once you got past Mackies, Behringers etc. Now there is a new choice. And that, to me, is what "game changer" means. Because the next generation of sound engineers will have learned their trade on X32s, the future of analogue desks is now more certain than ever.
 
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Hi Marty,
ULTRANET is defiantly different than Ethernet and you do not want to us ethernet hubs, as it will not work.

I spoke to our development team about the P16 ULTRANET protocol and can share the following:
(in regards to accidentally plugging ULTRANET, AES50 or different combinations of X32/P16/S16 CAT-5 connections)
There is no problem or risk of damage plugging the wrong signal on any of our X32 Cat5 ports. Outputs are buffered and inputs have transformer balancing.

It is recommended not to connect devices that supply power over Ethernet, however.
PoE (power over Ethernet) is a protected term for a specific implementation, and it is not the same as our bus/phantom power supply on P16-D outputs for example.

I hope it helps.

Best
Joe Sanborn
Manager, Channel Marketing
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
 
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Speaking of features, could we have sends-on-fader for the mono sends? In other words, when M/C is selected, sends on fader will put the Mono rotary sends on the faders.
 
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Hi guys. Apologies if this has already been covered but I'm just wondering if anyone has discovered an alternate hub to the Behringer p16-d for the P16-m headphone mixers? $190 seems a bit steep for an 8 port hub. I've tried a Netgear 10/100 5port switch ($40 here in Australia) but alas, no go. x32 Ultranet won't talk to it at all.

Any tips would be appreciated.

As mentioned above, Ultranet is not the same protocol as TCP/IP. The P16D is designed to handle Ultranet traffic and also to provide power to the P16 mixers down the CAT5 cable. That one feature alone is why I have one for my band.
No wall warts to worry about, or power runs out to the lead singer.

My band love the P16s.
I only have two observations to make about them.

1) The EQ is rubbish. The Hi and Lo bands are so narrow that cutting or boosting makes virtually no difference to the sound. The preset frequency is also one that appears to be of no use to either band.
2) For some reason the volume knob is also a switch. Pushing this disables that channel. It took 10 minutes of diagnostics with my drummers unit to work that one out (being a drummer, he hit the knob rather than turning it...). Why? Especially when there is a dedicated mute button on the other side of the desk?

The pros outweigh the cons, as my band have found them a massive help to their monitoring (they all use IEMs).
Even the guitarist suggested to the guys that it's possible to turn things down rather than up...

Karl.
 
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Hi Marty,
ULTRANET is defiantly different than Ethernet and you do not want to us ethernet hubs, as it will not work.

I spoke to our development team about the P16 ULTRANET protocol and can share the following:
(in regards to accidentally plugging ULTRANET, AES50 or different combinations of X32/P16/S16 CAT-5 connections)
There is no problem or risk of damage plugging the wrong signal on any of our X32 Cat5 ports. Outputs are buffered and inputs have transformer balancing.

It is recommended not to connect devices that supply power over Ethernet, however.
PoE (power over Ethernet) is a protected term for a specific implementation, and it is not the same as our bus/phantom power supply on P16-D outputs for example.

Thank you Joe, better leave the Poe hub at home then as I'm nearly certain of getting my wires mixed up at some stressfull setup time, or when I can't find my specs ;)~;-)~:wink:
 
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Yesterday I was playing around with my X32 and insert an DBX deesser using Aux 1. It was easy to setup both on chanel and bus send.

2 questions. When I inserted effects on a subgroup and put solo to AFL I didn´t hear the effects when they were inserted post eq but when I inserted pre I heard it. Am I missing something.

Is it possible to send a matrix ( like a mixbus) to effects??
 
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I'm looking for a router, I'm actually in Japan and all the router here are in Japanese on the setup pages and has caused me hassle I don't need... For some reason it connects to my iPad but won't stay connected and keeps opening up the setup page for the router (192.168...etc) once the X32 is connected.

Is anyone using the Apple Airport or AirMac Express with the X32?
I'll just go and buy this if it works ok.

thanks
Craig
 
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I'm looking for a router, I'm actually in Japan and all the router here are in Japanese on the setup pages and has caused me hassle I don't need... For some reason it connects to my iPad but won't stay connected and keeps opening up the setup page for the router (192.168...etc) once the X32 is connected.

Is anyone using the Apple Airport or AirMac Express with the X32?
I'll just go and buy this if it works ok.

thanks
Craig
Could it be that the router index page is the same address as the X32? ..... allthough I would imagine the router would be up around 138 or thereabouts and the console at 1.
Is the router hidden? If not, and being in Japan where densely populated takes on a new meaning, the router could just be jammed with connection requests from roaming devices.
The Apple routers seem to get good critics in other forums and topics, do a search here and on prosoundweb. Here is one topic: http://soundforums.net/varsity/5337-abusable-dualband-router.html
 
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I'm looking for a router, I'm actually in Japan and all the router here are in Japanese on the setup pages and has caused me hassle I don't need... For some reason it connects to my iPad but won't stay connected and keeps opening up the setup page for the router (192.168...etc) once the X32 is connected.

Is anyone using the Apple Airport or AirMac Express with the X32?
I'll just go and buy this if it works ok.

thanks
Craig

What IP addresses are you using for:

Your X32
Your iPad
your router

Are any other devices connected to this system?
Make sure that all the IP addresses you're using are unique to your network (unique IP address).

Karl.
 
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Hi guys, thanks for the help.

I actually went out and bought the Airmac Express and got it working somehow using the Airport Utility app on my iPad.
There are so many options in the iPad version of the Airport Utility app I would love to know for sure the do's and don'ts if anyone can point me in the right direction.

From what I've read people are saying to make a static IP and and hard code my devices, still trying to get my head around it all.
Is this what others are doing?

Going from venue to venue is there any problems with this wi-fi setup I could come across? just so I know beforehand.

Craig.