X32 Discussion

Re: xcontrol and icontrol Without X32

Jeremy Honsman said:
Ran our third show tonight getting familiar with the board. Noticed the monitors are not as loud as they used to be we maxed bus slider and the analog knob and they just weren't enough. I patched in eqs and didn't boost the gain to them should?
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Agreed. I wasnt sure if it was just me...
I own the x32 and a presonus 24, among other boards. However, my last gig I used the presonus to check this out. When i put an aux at unity and run a signal at unity into my wedges it is much louder than running the x32 the same way.

Anyone have any ideas?
 
De-esser for x32

Hello all, I have been reading this blog for the last couple of days and wow great reviews on the X32.

I get mine on monday and can't wait. Buti have a question on a discussion on a de-esser for the x32 and thats great but from what i understand that its will be a FXpram.
SO if its like that then you can only insert it on the channel you want and if you have 4 vocals you will use up all your FX engines if that is so.

In all reality it really should in the compressor section cause that where you want it like the BSS DPR 404

You should be able to write that into the firmware and add a litle section for a de-esser in the compressor section of the desk..

Cause every vocal is not going to be the same an each one will have a diffrent de-esser setting.

So if you guys get a de-esser going don't make it a FXengine that we have to insert on a channel put it in the compressor section of the desk
where it should be..

Just a thought

Randy Martin
 
Re: De-esser for x32

It would only "eat up" one effect channel you then assign it to a bus and then and that bus to whoever channel or channel's
 
Re: De-esser for x32

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We ran 8 bands ranging from 4 -8th grade. Talk about a challenge needing. Monitor but.not.knowing it and not singing.into the mic. There is only so much we can do! Kept my on my toes!
 
Re: De-esser for x32

Jeremy Honsman said:
It would only "eat up" one effect channel you then assign it to a bus and then and that bus to whoever channel or channel's
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Well that ok but not correct way of using a de-esser cause when you buss that 1 FX to all the channels you need is not correct cause not all vocal's are the same.

One persion might need more de-essing than the other persion or at a diffrent de-essing freq point.

So i reality that not the best way of using your de-esser.

SO Behringer if you hear me lets hope you don't make it a FX engine cause that not the correct way of a de-esser..
put it where its sopose to be in the Compressor section of the console.. and all will be good. :)

Randy Martin
 
Re: Mixbus output levels

Shy Clyman said:
Agreed. I wasnt sure if it was just me...
I own the x32 and a presonus 24, among other boards. However, my last gig I used the presonus to check this out. When i put an aux at unity and run a signal at unity into my wedges it is much louder than running the x32 the same way.

Anyone have any ideas?
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Not sure what levels you have been running at of course, but assuming you are running the X32 reasonably hot, -17dBfs peak should give you a 4dBu output peak which is your standard equipment nominal level. If you have equipment that used to be connected to a hot analogue board, chances are that the board has been outputting close to 24 dBu or even more, and your wedge and main amps attenuated to suit.
Driving a locked down house system can sometimes be a problem, because it might have been set to not overdrive when you are maxing the hottest desk on the market, but as long as you have access to the equipment I can't see there is a problem.

Compared to the Presonus, the Presonus have 3dB hotter main outputs, but aux outs are 2dB below the X32. However, the Presonus meters to me looks like they change colour at a higher level than the X32, thus inviting to run at a higher nominal level, and this will of course be reflected in the outputs.
 
Recording from Aux In

I'm struggling to get a signal from Aux in 1 to my PC.

If I connect my guitar through a DI box into the XLR input5 and under Config/Source I select In05, I can see a signal on my PC.

If I connect my guitar straight into the aux 1 input and under Config/Source I select Aux01 (no other changes), I don't get a signal on my PC.

I can see the signal on the fader and route it to the main out so I can hear it, but I can't get the signal to appear on my PC.

Any ideas?

Neil
 
Re: Recording from Aux In

Neil Scales said:
I'm struggling to get a signal from Aux in 1 to my PC.

If I connect my guitar through a DI box into the XLR input5 and under Config/Source I select In05, I can see a signal on my PC.

If I connect my guitar straight into the aux 1 input and under Config/Source I select Aux01 (no other changes), I don't get a signal on my PC.

I can see the signal on the fader and route it to the main out so I can hear it, but I can't get the signal to appear on my PC.

Any ideas?

Neil
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Hi Neil,
You are having trouble because the outputs of the UFX card do not follow any channel patching that you do in the "config" page of a channel.
This must be done in the ROUTING menu.
If you go to the "Card" page of the ROUTING menu you will notice that your outputs are all likely all set to "Local 1-8", "Local 9-16", "Local 17-24", "Local 25-32". If you wanted to send signal plugged into the TRS AUX Inputs, you would need to select AUX 1-6/Mon as one of your banks of 8 on this page. Now your guitar plugged into AUX 1 will show up as input 1 on your DAW (assuming you used the first bank of 8).

A potential problem here may be that you may need those other 6 channels of output that are left over. If this is the case, here is my workaround:
Instead of choosing AUX 1-6/Mon, choose Out 1-8 or Out 9-16. When using this option, the card will send out whichever signals you assign in the "Analog Out" page. On that page you can assign direct out from any local input or aux input. You also have the ability to choose a post fader tap in case you wanted to record the channel strip. Now you could assign your AUX to one of the outputs, and channels to the remaining outputs so that nothing is wasted. Hope this helps!

Best,
John DiNicola
Senior Specialist, Product Support
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
 
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Re: xcontrol and icontrol Without X32

Shy Clyman said:
Agreed. I wasnt sure if it was just me...
I own the x32 and a presonus 24, among other boards. However, my last gig I used the presonus to check this out. When i put an aux at unity and run a signal at unity into my wedges it is much louder than running the x32 the same way.

Anyone have any ideas?
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Mr. Shy can you tell me what you used to fly your DB T4 rig that you posted earlier in the thread?
 
Re: xcontrol and icontrol Without X32

Also I noticed the small meters about the dca. Groups were not lighting the did work on my busses though is there a way to turn them.on and off?
 
Re: Recording from Aux In

John DiNicola said:
Hi Neil,
You are having trouble because the outputs of the UFX card do not follow any channel patching that you do in the "config" page of a channel.
This must be done in the ROUTING menu.
If you go to the "Card" page of the ROUTING menu you will notice that your outputs are all likely all set to "Local 1-8", "Local 9-16", "Local 17-24", "Local 25-32". If you wanted to send signal plugged into the TRS AUX Inputs, you would need to select AUX 1-6/Mon as one of your banks of 8 on this page. Now your guitar plugged into AUX 1 will show up as input 1 on your DAW (assuming you used the first bank of 8).

A potential problem here may be that you may need those other 6 channels of output that are left over. If this is the case, here is my workaround:
Instead of choosing AUX 1-6/Mon, choose Out 1-8 or Out 9-16. When using this option, the card will send out whichever signals you assign in the "Analog Out" page. On that page you can assign direct out from any local input or aux input. You also have the ability to choose a post fader tap in case you wanted to record the channel strip. Now you could assign your AUX to one of the outputs, and channels to the remaining outputs so that nothing is wasted. Hope this helps!

Best,
John DiNicola
Senior Specialist, Product Support
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
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Hi John,

Thank you for information.
Please, could you tell us, if Behringer in future is thinking to use (or to implement on DSP patch board) UFX card as insert send and insert return for each channel?
It is due to fact, that we could use VST host on PC, and run De-esser outside X32 and we will stay in digital domain.

Jan Tapak
 
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Re: Recording from Aux In

Jan Tapak said:
Hi John,

Thank you for information.
Please, could you tell us, if Behringer in future is thinking to use UFX card as send end insert for each channel?
It is due to fact, that we could use VST host on PC, and rund De-esser outside X32 and we will stay in digital domain.

Jan Tapak
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+1! need this too:)
 
Direct recording card

Joe Sanborn said:
Hi Guys,
One of the cards we are talking about, (for the X32), would be a card that plugs into the same slot as the XUF 32x32 firewire/USB card, (that ships with the X32). The card would allow direct recording to a USB stick or hard drive. I believe it may be limited to 24 tracks, (due to USB stick speed), but would supply the capability you are looking for.

I will keep you posted as I hear more on this.

Best,
Joe Sanborn
Manager, Channel Marketing
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
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From comments on another forum, it looks like there isn't going to be any implementation of direct to drive recording on the current card (allthough this was promised and one of the reasons I chose the X32), I guess the shape of the usb connector kind of indicates that the plan to include this might have been scrapped a long time before we were told, but I am still hoping that an update might give us that recording capability.
I understand that the new recording card is still a bit further down the road, but are there any news about the specs for this card? While I have stated earlier that I wouldn't buy a 24 channel direct recording card when there already was a 16 channel direct recording card on the X32, my view on this has been forced to change since my base premise doesn't exist anymore.
Obviously, if we wan't this card, we want it as soon as possible, but it would be good to know final specs even sooner so we can plan accordingly. And yes, please include the capability to use a large externally powered drive and even a flash card :)~:)~:smile:
 
Re: cracling noise on recording and playback

This is what you are looking for. Contact the seller. He makes these up to order, any length you like. Very flexible, specifically for stage use. I've had 6 off him already. I did post on this previously here.

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regards

Mike

Per Søvik said:
Everything is running at 44.1KHz, and the sound is fine except for the crackle. It was fine with FiWi four weeks ago, and if my old laptop that has FiWi will actually come alive when i charge it, I'll give it a check tonight and also try the usb with this computer as well. The noise problem is exactly the same using a Core i3 equipped Laptop and an Atom equipped Netbook, so it doesn't seem to be processor related, and it would be strange that to so different computers had the same issue with driver.

I was suspecting a buffer problem and tried different settings, none seemed to help
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Re: xcontrol and icontrol Without X32

Jeremy Honsman said:
I guess I'm.confused. I group my vocals guitars bass acoustic drums and keys in different groups why wouldn't there be audio?
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From what I understand Jeremy - if you are using the "groups" - you will see LED activity.
If you are assigning DCAs to the instrument channels, you will not see activity because you are not passing audio through the dca.... it is simply an electronic remote fader for the faders you have assigned to it.
 
Re: xcontrol and icontrol Without X32

Another gig update and first casualties!

Last friday did a gig with my X32 and two S16 in a small club (300pax). Two bands, just the basic stuff. But this time I had some "serious flaws".
When I bought my X32 case from Thomann, I orderd this mixerstand at once-->

Millenium MX-1000 - Thomann UK Cyberstore

After 30 gigs, this thing has finally died! Stay away from it...it sucks.
First I had to replace one stopper with a screw, because it just broke off.



On this gig, both wing bolts broke off-->



But this was not the first victim this night. When I arrived at the venue, I was short of time. The lighting guy wasn't there at this time, and he was in charge to bring some yellow jackets as cable lead through (DMX and AES50). So I layed my AES50 on the ground and connected the X32 with S-16 and told the few people to watch out for the cat5 cable. You know what happend. One guy stepped over the cable and the AES50 connector inside the X32 was instantly broken! I used a cable with no Neutrik Ethernetplug...so it broke the plastic inside the AES50 socket of the desk:-(
Thankfully, the X32 has two AES50 ports! So I went with AES50 port B and was ready to go, when doors opened. Sadly enough, my desk went the next day to England with the "WBTBWB" Tour. I hope these guys don't run into the same unlikely problem.
On the other hand, the show went fine. One band was mixed by a friend of mine, who never mixed on a X32 before. He got 5 minutes of instructions from me and he had a blast. Seems that the audience liked the sound as well:)








I had again the new KME hybrid system with me...this PA is awesome!




Christian
 
Playing around with a sinus tone...

While testing the x32 with a sinus signal I noticed that when you enable the EQ it will add some sub-sonic noise up to approx 200Hz. However the noise is peaking below -120dBFS so it won't affect the sound in the end.

At the same time I noticed something else. I could pass a 1.0Hz to the aes/ebu and could also verify movements in my monitor down to 6Hz connected to the monitor out. Without verifying with DC it seems like there is no DC-blocking on the outputs if it will pass 1Hz.

The signal was inserted via firewire from my daw and not into the analog inputs.
 
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