X32 Discussion

Re: another live recording

I like Karl's idea. My Ramsa does not allow for linking of no adjacent channels but I can go to my custom layer and only bring in one channel of the pair and it is a great way to save space. How about a custom layer instead?
 
Re: X32 Discussion

Paul Mirtschin said:
I do have a question for the Behringer guys - I keep hearing of people being able to call the main service locations in Europe and the US to get help with issues - what would be the best option for those of us outside of those areas. In a pinch I wouldn't be too worried with having to call the US to get a tech question answered, but if there is a more local option, it would be very appreciated.
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Hello Paul,

I sent you a PM!
 
First GIGs on my X32

Did my first show back in the beginning of October and finally getting the chance to post a photo. Gig was a concert series that I do in NYC throughout the summer. This happens to be the last show of the season. Didn't do records as I literally got the console a few days before. Found a case at my case guys place that never got picked up and it was close enough so I bought it and later on added a doghaus. Enjoy
 

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Re: Mute Group Behavior

Dear Mitch and Eric,

The Mute Groups in X32 actually overrule the channel mutes, and as you correctly pointed out the benefits or disadvantages are arguable and depend on personal expectations. However, the DCA's are performing in exactly the way you seem to prefer. When channels are assigned to a DCA and the DCA is muted, their individual mute status will not be altered, so un-muting the DCA directly brings you back where you were before muting.

So actually you have both functions available in X32. The console has quite a considerable range of use cases, and personal preferences may vary as much. The cool thing about the Mute Group implementation in X32 is in fact, that is a dependable shortcut for bringing a predefined set of channels into a specific state (be it on or off!!) by pressing just one button. This is real benefit when signals of multiple layers are combined in one set and missing to reset an individual mute might be dangerous.

Hope that helps,

Jan
 
Re: Mute Group Behavior

Jan Duwe said:
Dear Mitch and Eric,

The Mute Groups in X32 actually overrule the channel mutes, and as you correctly pointed out the benefits or disadvantages are arguable and depend on personal expectations. However, the DCA's are performing in exactly the way you seem to prefer. When channels are assigned to a DCA and the DCA is muted, their individual mute status will not be altered, so un-muting the DCA directly brings you back where you were before muting.

So actually you have both functions available in X32. The console has quite a considerable range of use cases, and personal preferences may vary as much. The cool thing about the Mute Group implementation in X32 is in fact, that is a dependable shortcut for bringing a predefined set of channels into a specific state (be it on or off!!) by pressing just one button. This is real benefit when signals of multiple layers are combined in one set and missing to reset an individual mute might be dangerous.

Hope that helps,

Jan
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Hi Jan,

While your suggestion is a great workaround for mutes it introduces another drawback.

If I assign a channel to several dca's there is a risk that a dca-fader end up in the wrong position. This can be problematic until you realize where the problem originates from. Wasting dca's for mute isn't something I'd like to do in the end.

I'd be very happy to se an option in the setup menu where I can choose the behaviour of the mute groups.
 
Re: another live recording

Karl Barnes said:
For me, vertical pairing, or the ability to pair with any other channel would be handy. <snip>
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This is a concept I hadn't thought of, but would definitely work for my purposes where we use over 4 different stereo sources on a regular basis. Using 4 faders on two layers would definitely be handier than losing a full 8 on one; The ability to control those channels from both layers is another plus with this scenario without being forced to use up my DCAs (or always having to be on the DCA layer). It would be no different than current analog mixers that already have stereo input pairs combined to one fader; and they would show up on both layers. Consider myself +1'd for this wishlist.

An alternative to this to both alleviate the fighting fader syndrome and reduce the number of faders required for stereo inputs would be simply the ability to combine two physical inputs onto a single fader as a stereo pair. Lets admit it, if you have a truly stereo pair, how often do you find yourself wanting to adjust each channel seperately? I realize this is the point of Linking channels, but why make it take up two faders? Why not the ability to combine those not only as vertical links as Karl suggested, but taking it a step further and also allowing those to be linked onto a single fader? As I said above, many analog mixers nowadays already do this with stereo paired inputs and the ability to move these around on a digital mixer would make it even handier.
 
Re: X32 Discussion

Paul Mirtschin said:
Thanks Chris, maybe we need to bribe Uli to set up a support/tech center for us Aussies, or at least the third of the planet that doesn't fit the US and EU time zones :)
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Considering that they already have manning and facilities in Zhongshan, China, I'm surprised that they don't set one up there.
 
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Re: Mute Group Behavior

Luigi Chelli said:
In fact i'd like a dual-peq (maybe with 8+ bands) in the effect rig of the x32 rather than the geqs...
that way one could make tonal adjustment with the eq of the mixbuss, and ringout with a peq as an insert.

not to mention that with a peq you can shoot the offending frequency with much more precision rather than with a geq
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I think this had been mentioned before.

It would be very helpful to have a PEQ in the effects area.

Eric H.
 
Re: Mute Group Behavior

Jan Duwe said:
The cool thing about the Mute Group implementation in X32
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Hi Jan,

Can you speak as to why DCA's can't be assigned into Mute Groups?

It would appear that the ability to assign a DCA into a Mute Group would be logical, for two reasons:

a) DCA's can be Muted.
b) DCA's can be Solo'd. (Just to head comments off on that statement... Yes, on the X32, DCA's can be Solo'd. Behringer has blurred the line between sub-groups and DCA's, which is nice.)

Eric H.
 
A few more small suggestions for the Behringer guys...

1. Some easy sign that there have been updates to things like manuals. At the moment, the only way to see if the manual has been updated, is to download it and open it, then check the fine-print on the front page. Maybe a mention on the downloads page, maybe the link can have a version-number.

2 It has been mentioned before, but is there an easy way to access the Test Mode? Would be a great (and easy) way to check all is as it should be, and might stop some of the "It's broken... oh wait, its user-error" calls to support.

Less a suggestion, but a question - if an update goes pear-shaped, can the desk easily be downgraded to an earlier firmware version? If so, awesome, if not, something to look into.

BTW, any ETA (hours/days/weeks/months) on the next firmware release?

Now back to setting up the desk for tomorrows gig.
 
Re: X32 Discussion

Found what seems to be a bug in the new ipad app. Last night when using the peq on my matrix i tried changing the peq to veq and accidentally hit the button again and it switched to hi pass or something while I was on the band 3. now i know that i cant do this on the console. It was in middle of a set and you can imagine it bugged me out for a sec but i couldnt tell if it actually chnaged the sound or not cuz i was too busy pushing to button till it went back to peq. now once i cycled through all the options when i got back to peq it flattened all the eq! THat was bad. I had to run back to board to put the eq back in as this was the eq on the house...
 
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Shy Clyman said:
Found what seems to be a bug in the new ipad app. Last night when using the peq on my matrix i tried changing the peq to veq and accidentally hit the button again and it switched to hi pass or something while I was on the band 3. now i know that i cant do this on the console. It was in middle of a set and you can imagine it bugged me out for a sec but i couldnt tell if it actually chnaged the sound or not cuz i was too busy pushing to button till it went back to peq. now once i cycled through all the options when i got back to peq it flattened all the eq! THat was bad. I had to run back to board to put the eq back in as this was the eq on the house...
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This is mentioned some posts ago.

On the console you can access all bands of the eq from the lcd control. The quick-scroll of the eq-mode using the button on the left side is programmed to not access all modes. This is due to the problem you've just described.

The clear eq button is very close to the cycle button so it is quite easy to accedently hit it while scrolling thru the modes.

I'd suggest for the developers to enable some guard, i.e. "press the clear button for three seconds to clear the eq".
 
Re: Mute Group Behavior

Robert Lofgren said:
If I assign a channel to several dca's there is a risk that a dca-fader end up in the wrong position. This can be problematic until you realize where the problem originates from. Wasting dca's for mute isn't something I'd like to do in the end.
I'd be very happy to se an option in the setup menu where I can choose the behaviour of the mute groups.
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Bingo - a toggle to change the behavior for those like us who will never use it the way it is now would be MOST welcome.
 
Re: X32 Discussion

Robert Lofgren said:
This is mentioned some posts ago.

On the console you can access all bands of the eq from the lcd control. The quick-scroll of the eq-mode using the button on the left side is programmed to not access all modes. This is due to the problem you've just described.

The clear eq button is very close to the cycle button so it is quite easy to accedently hit it while scrolling thru the modes.

I'd suggest for the developers to enable some guard, i.e. "press the clear button for three seconds to clear the eq".
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I raised this point a couple of days ago and accepting that the desk does allow you to access all eq modes via the LCD and rotaries it is much easier/safer to switch mode on the desk because the rotary can select in both directions so if for instance you go one step too far and select hi cut you can simply switch back by turning the knob the other way. On the iPad you can only select modes in one direction by pressing the button, so if you go too far you would then have to step through all the modes before you can get back to where you want. Audibly a nightmare and in my opinion this operation is a problem on the iPad.

i agree that some form of safe mode for eq reset should also be implemented on the IPad either as described or with a confirmation yes no box when pressing the button.
 
Re: Mute Group Behavior

Jan Duwe said:
This is real benefit when signals of multiple layers are combined in one set and missing to reset an individual mute might be dangerous.
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Perhaps, but it runs completely counter to years of muscle memory. And wasting one or more DCA's seems to be a pretty inelegant solution, plus introduces other potential complications as Robert points out.

We will NEVER use mute groups as they are currently implemented - I just can't ever see the need to toggle them all regardless of their individual state. Perhaps I'm being myopic and not embracing the concept. I still don't see the harm in having a toggle for mute groups to perform in the "traditional" method (and it could be off, where curmudgeons like me would have to seek it out - I don't care!).

And while on the subject of muting, being able to save just mute state as a scene without changing any other perimeters is also something that I would think would be pretty fundamental for live sound productions and not just our friends in theater. We tell all of our people and performers to NEVER touch the power or mute buttons on their mics - it's all done at the desk; better love for the mute functions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!
 
EQ Behavior

Luigi Chelli said:
Regarding using peqs or geqs to ring out a monitor, i just did a smaart run to analyze em...these are 2 pics of the behavior of:
peq (highest q, highest reduction) GREEN TRACE
geq (highest reduction) BLUE TRACE
trueq (highest reduction) RED TRACE

picture one is only 1 band @ 200 hz
picture two is both 200hz and 315hz

hope you like it :)

cheers,
Luigi.
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thx a lot Luigi for the maesurement. Helped me a lot to decide what EQ I'd better use. I was amazed about the degree of phase changing. But to be serious that is exatly what I heared during the last sessions I was mixing.

cheers, Henry
 
Re: EQ Behavior

Hey guys, I just a crazy idea....
With the Tap delay button you obviously tap this button on the beat to set the tap delay etc. of an effect, is it possible to have this button's function connected to a midi input say from the bass drum of an electronic drum kit ??
Wouldn't that be so awesome to do ??

Hope someone can shed some light on this

Thanx
Andre
 
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