X32 Discussion

Re: Ipad wireless connection

Brett Tippet said:
The subnet, funny enough sets the subnet.

ie - 255.255.255.0 is the standard. If your x32 was 192.168.1.5 .. Anything in 192.168.1.1 thru 192.168.1.254 can see it.

if you set all zeroes... It prob won't be as efficient as it will be fully open.
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I defer to the wisdom put forth in your first sentence.

All I know is that I do anything else and it doesn't work, and specifically so when both subnet numbers are the same.

Another thing that doesn't work for me: putting a USB stick with software upgrade into the console while off, starting it, and having the software upgrade automatically. This has never worked with any USB stick of any size or any format on any of my consoles.

However, doing that sequence, and then turning power off and immediately on (in one smooth motion) ALWAYS causes the correct upgrade sequence to occur, on every console.

Those of us without mojo need to find our own way...
 
Re: Ipad wireless connection

Chris Greco said:
I have used this router with this ipad connected to my in house internet so I know that the router and Ipad play nicely together, however when attaching the routewr to the X32 I get an error message that says the cable for the internet is not plugged in!!! and yes I am using the same cable from when the router was plugged into my in house wired router for internet.

Help
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Is the X32 plugged into the WAN port?

Solution: Plug it into one of the LAN ports.
 
X32 wireless connection

The whole iDevice to X32 issue seems to keep popping up, and I can't help but feel most issues are from people trying to implement the X32 into their current home network.

Those people should realise it might cause issues. The X32 is NOT a home networking device. It isn't designed to be plugged in beside 5 computers, 4 handheld devices, a wireless printer, digital radio, file-server, VoIP device and a network streaming server. It is a mixer with a WiFi enabled control.

If you want stability, get another WiFi AP (as the list for models that are known to work) and use it on a stand-alone network. X32 + WiFI AP + iDevice/WinDevice. You will suddenly find you are having far less networking issues. And speeds will be much faster.

Even here in Australia (where everything is expensive) you can get a 4-port AP for under $50. About the same as a couple of XLR leads. Trust me, it is money well worth spending, especially since you will not have to waste hours of time trying to bug-fix a network connection. Instead you get to;

1. Plug in the router/AP
2. Reboot the iDevice (Shouldn't need this step with Windows devices)
3. Start mixing as it is now all connected, on its own network, using the full bandwidth (instead of shared with 10+ other things).
 
Re: Fairy Tale more like!

Paul Mirtschin said:
I dare anyone to read this and make it to the end. The amount of marketing wank and outright lies was quite astounding.

They must be feeling the pinch ;)
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I was at the local guitar superstore the other day, and the pro audio salesmen told me they haven't sold hardly any StudioLives since the X32 came out. The SL is getting its butt kicked and they are desperate to do something to stop the slide, so that's what they are resorting to, looks like.
 
Re: Fairy Tale more like!

Rob Dellwood said:
I was at the local guitar superstore the other day, and the pro audio salesmen told me they haven't sold hardly any StudioLives since the X32 came out. The SL is getting its butt kicked and they are desperate to do something to stop the slide, so that's what they are resorting to, looks like.
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I didn't like their product (the SL), but always respected Presonus. I use heaps of their gear in my studio.

Now .. this have made me lose HEAPS of respect for this company. Use the competition to make a better product .. don't sook about it.
 
Re: Fairy Tale more like!

Rob Dellwood said:
I was at the local guitar superstore the other day, and the pro audio salesmen told me they haven't sold hardly any StudioLives since the X32 came out. The SL is getting its butt kicked and they are desperate to do something to stop the slide, so that's what they are resorting to, looks like.
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I think there is a recalibration of the "15 minutes of fame." Probable closer to 15 seconds these days.

The StudioLive was all the rage, the cat's meow, a mere 18 months ago. Now it's not.

Before the StudioLive there were the 01v96 / 01v. They, too, were hot stuff for several years.

The question to be answered in about a week - whose ox will the next batch of x-somethings gore?
 
Re: Fairy Tale more like!

Tim McCulloch said:
The question to be answered in about a week - whose ox will the next batch of x-somethings gore?
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Or, down the road, what's it going to take to make something cool enough to render the X32 passé? That's the question that Presonus, et al--including Behringer--, need to answer. Personally, I can't wait to see what it is.
 
Re: Fairy Tale more like!

I looked up the ranking of digital mixers with Thomann who is largest dealer in europe. X32 is number the 1 product among all Thomann product sales.

Product Comparison Digital Mixing Desks - Thomann UK Cyberstore

Presonus is finished. The SL24.4.2 is at place 3400 and SL16.4.2 even at 7000. The Yamaha 01V96 is at place 5000 and the AH GLD is 4500.

The S16 is at place 3 amont all product sales.

Behringer S16 - Thomann UK Cyberstore

Looks like the only console that is selling is the X32. There must be a reson...
 
Re: Fairy Tale more like!

Juergen Riemann said:
Looks like the only console that is selling is the X32. There must be a reson...
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I think this is obvious, it's price versions performance.
After I decided (mainly because of this forum) I wanted to buy a X32. I went to a shop (old fashion I know) and siad that I wanted to buy an affordable digital console. The salesman said immediatly that presonus is/was a good console, but that the X32 was a better choice at this moment.

I think days are over that one could build a company, and have steady growing sales pure on brand name. People don't see the need to stay at a proven concept / brand.

Maybe we all have windows phones in a matter of time, who knows.
 
Re: Fairy Tale more like!

I'm a happy owner of both SL24.4.2 and X32... both have their advantages and are on different levels... Soundwise both are good. But X32 offers more bang for buck, definitely.

I just wonder how the fairytale would look like if the brand X would be replaced with brand Y...?? Like LS9?... :razz:

/Kari
 
Re: Fairy Tale more like!

Kari Sillanpää said:
I just wonder how the fairytale would look like if the brand X would be replaced with brand Y...?? Like LS9?... :razz:
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Given how liberal Presonus is with the truth in that "tale", I'm guessing it wouldn't matter if you put a Midas XL8, Digidesign Venue or Yamaha CL5 there, they would have the same "Oh it is so hard to use, our mixer is better" rubbish.

Proof is in the "Our mixer uses tape and a sharpie, with Mixer X you HAVE to manually name each channel and bus, it's so hard" line.

Piss off, you CAN use a tape and sharpie on any mixer... It's just that with the Presonus, that's your ONLY option. ;)
 
Re: Fairy Tale more like!

Paul Mirtschin said:
Given how liberal Presonus is with the truth in that "tale", I'm guessing it wouldn't matter if you put a Midas XL8, Digidesign Venue or Yamaha CL5 there, they would have the same "Oh it is so hard to use, our mixer is better" rubbish.

Proof is in the "Our mixer uses tape and a sharpie, with Mixer X you HAVE to manually name each channel and bus, it's so hard" line.

Piss off, you CAN use a tape and sharpie on any mixer... It's just that with the Presonus, that's your ONLY option. ;)
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The book is titled "tale" not "truth", and it was written at a time when the X32 offered less than it does today, so some of the info was more accurate when it was written. The tape and sharpie argument is of course going to be a classic in marketing litterature and will survive long after both mixers have drawn their last bit.


Juergen Riemann said:

Presonus is finished. The SL24.4.2 is at place 3400 and SL16.4.2 even at 7000. The Yamaha 01V96 is at place 5000 and the AH GLD is 4500.
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I don't think the Presonus competitive situation is as bad as some make out, the only feature that is really missing is flying faders, so the way forward should be really clear; either get flying faders or come up with something that makes the faders irrelevant.
In the meantime, it looks like they are still selling better than nearly everybody else, so .........
 
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Re: Fairy Tale more like!

Per Søvik said:
I don't think the Presonus competitive situation is as bad as some make out, the only feature that is really missing is flying faders.....
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You're joking right? What about:
-DCA's
-AES50/Digital snake
-Personal Monitoring integration
-Way more I/O and buses
-Firewire AND USB
-Don't need a connected PC to support iPad/iPhone app
-More/far superior FX
-DAW control
-Better LCD screen, LCD scribble strips
-etc, etc, etc - not even getting into subjective things like sonics

The differences are pretty substantial IMO.
 
Re: Fairy Tale more like!

Per Søvik said:
The book is titled "tale" not "truth", and it was written at a time when the X32 offered less than it does today, so some of the info was more accurate when it was written. The tape / sharpie argument is of course going to be a classic in marketing litterature and will survive long after both mixers have drawn their last bit.

I don't think the Presonus competitive situation is as bad as some make out, the only feature that is really missing is flying faders, so the way forward should be really clear; either get flying faders or come up with something that makes the faders irrelevant.
In the meantime, it looks like they are still selling better than nearly everybody else, so .........
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Yes, I agree (I'm also an owner of both consoles), the presonus is missing the fader and more importantly the recallable preamps, and both have great apps/features. The X32 has a much larger bang for the buck, and is most importantly being rapidly developed, while the presonus has only added some very limited smaart functions. They can't compare what they have in the console to the full version of smaart. It would be nice if they updated that document with less "half truths.", but that's most likely not in thier marketing plan.

I have to say, that the presonus app still runs "slicker" than the XiControl app. The page flipping with swipe, and mute button responsiveness is much better on the presonus app. Sometimes XiControl lags a bit with the mutes, or does not activate the mute button because you missed it's sweet spot.
 
Re: Fairy Tale more like!

Per Søvik said:
I don't think the Presonus competitive situation is as bad as some make out, the only feature that is really missing is flying faders,
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Actually on Presonus I do not miss the flying faders at all, coming from analog world. I'd rather have the recallable preamps...

There is nothing wrong with that product, I believe Behringer has intentionally priced the X32 just below SL 24... Because you DO get a lot more with same amount on money. The only thing they can do is to drop the price of SL 24 below 2000€... instead of writing fairytales to customers. And I still see a market for them. This of course, without knowing what NAMM will reveal...

SL 24 still has some advantages, better iPad app, more analog mixer -like approach. That means, that I can even consider renting it out dry with half-an-hours introduction. For Behringer it would be a one hour session :lol:

A few gigs under the belt, all done with flying colors, customers and bands happy... I'm happy. One glitch with aux levels which I have not been able to reproduce after initializing the desk, one dead led. Still happy. Pricewise - very happy. The whole digital system with 32/16 for the price of a Soundcraft Vi CSB Stagebox only...

Geez...

/Kari
 
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Re: Fairy Tale more like!

Sorry guys but i believe the new x32 ipad app 2.0 is much better then the presonus. actually i even think it is now the best app in the market. Having used a presonus mixer before (and sold becuase it crashed many times and even during a show) the x32 is a complete different class, even better than the ls9 which i also worked with. Swiping input channel pages on the presonus app is dangerous as you easily move (and miss) the channels when touching the faders.
And i always missed the flying faders on the presonus. You never know where you are with your levels once you use your app. And i am really happy i dont have to carry a computer with me anymore when doing a show with the x32.
And btw different from the presonus i never had any crash/freezer with the x32. the product is very stable. German enginering ;-)
 
I had previously used my X32 with my wrt54g, but not sure which hardware level it was. I now have a new router and haven't yet tested them out together.

Sent from my SPH-L710 2
 
Re: X32 Discussion

To those having troubles with WiFi and your X32s....

I have found at least issues which cause troubles for my environments: For me, switching to a 5ghz access point solved my problems.

1. busy wifi environment... especially in the 2.4ghz (802.11b/802.11g ranges)... if you can run in the 5ghz 802.11a/802.11n frequency range, you'll be a lot better off.

2. 2.4ghz interference... especially commerical microwave ovens... but also in many cases, if you have guitarists or vocalists running the Line6 G30/G50/G90/XDV stuff, you'll also find problems... note that there are profiles you can get from Line6 which will help this situation.
 
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