X32 Discussion

[Pauly Mel]

Re: Monitor out whine

G'day Dragos,

You can bypass the preamp by using the Aux inputs. Routing the Aux input to a channel and using the Aux input will not use the preamp.

Pauly

Hi, I'm a guitarist who wants to start a studio but newbie in recording. I just placed an order for x32, should arrive next week (so exited!!!).
I need some help comprehending what is the best way for studio recording with x32. I searched over internet but I can't find the answer to my question.

Is there a possibility to bypass preamps in initial recording, and after that, when mixing, to ad the channel strip section (post recording) to have full control over gain and eq section without to alter recording from the start? Being all digital my main reason is the signal will be all time digital, without reconverted between analog-digital over and over, so nothing will be lost in the process. For example, a friend of mine has Venice F-32, and this console (targeted also for live) it has the ability to bypass preamps for the initial recording, and he use this feature. I read that x32 has this ability only for 6 channels, is this info correct? But when recording drums I'll need 8+ channel to do that.

Above all, is this a better strategy to record (bypassing pres and adding them post recording)?

Please be patient with me.

 

[John Chiara]

Re: Stress test!! This is what x32 can do!! =

It's the vocals, primarily, although the snare/hat/ride and guitar seems also panned hard left with tails in right.

Sounds like typical 'stereoizing' plug in stuff... Spreading certain frequency ranges to different pan positions. I find a better solution for mono sources is to use a stereo impulse or other space inducing plug inserted to let you place the source within a defined and more realistic stereo field.

 

[Uli Behringer]

X32 Compact

Dear all,

I am pleased to announce that we will start shipping the new X32 Compact within the month on May from our China factory. While we won't be able to immediately meet all demand, the first units should arrive in stores within the next 4-6 weeks.

We are confident that the other models will follow over the next few months.

Warm regards

Uli

 

[Pauly Mel]

Re: X32 Compact

G'day Uli,

What a wonderful situation to be in - 'Unable to meet all demand' You must be very pleased you took the risk to develop the X32 platform.

Thanks
Pauly

Dear all,

I am pleased to announce that we will start shipping the new X32 Compact wihin this month from our China factory. While we won't be able to immediately meet all demand, the first units should arrive in stores within the next 4-6 weeks.

We are confident that the other models will follow over the next few months.

Warm regards

Uli

 

[Declan Slater]

Re: X32 Noisy Cooling Fan

Great to see you trying a nice UPS, I'd recommend if using a digital snake, to run that on the UPS and use a shielded cat-5 for it with metalized ends that have the metal shield soldered to the shield drain wire on both ends. I often use a unshielded cat-6 on shows without issues. Keep us in the loop!

Wow, me and my church have been having a horrible time trying to figure out what was going on with our X32 over the last month or so. Every 3-4 hours we'd get a big pop and our effects would ramp up and feedback. Even with noone was touching the console (physically or wirelessly), and with all channels muted except a single wireless mic. Seeing this post seems very relavent for us, thanks for posting it.

We'll be picking up a UPS this week and see if it solves our mysterious problems. We're tossing between an Eaton or a Liebert, as thier specifications include kick in time's and are well below 20ms. Anyone have any preference between the two?

Again, thanks for the post Declan, we were about to take the board back!

 

[Per Søvik]

Re: UPS

We'll be picking up a UPS this week and see if it solves our mysterious problems. We're tossing between an Eaton or a Liebert, as thier specifications include kick in time's and are well below 20ms. Anyone have any preference between the two?

I use the Eaton 3s, and while I can't say I prefer it to anything else, I can confirm it does the job for the X32, having tried to provoke a glitch by repeatedly unplugging the ups from the mains as well as switching heavy loads connected to the same circuit as the ups.

 

[Yonatan Pandelaki]

Re: X32 Compact

Dear all,

I am pleased to announce that we will start shipping the new X32 Compact within the month on May from our China factory. While we won't be able to immediately meet all demand, the first units should arrive in stores within the next 4-6 weeks.

We are confident that the other models will follow over the next few months.

Warm regards

Uli

Great news Mr. Behringer!
Waiting here for the X32 Rack badly.. do you have any ETA?

 

[Donnie Evans]

Tracktion Software...

I have a question about the free vs. 50% discount license for the Tracktion 4 software. I understand the start-date for this promotion was May 1. I ordered my mixer on April 17th, because I needed it that soon. Now, for my appreciation of purchasing a $2999 MAP mixer, I get to buy it for $30, but anybody off the street that now purchases a $30 UCA-202 usb interface will get a free copy? Surely Behringer would license a copy to all that have purcahsed an X32. That doesn't make sense at all...

 

[Gary Weller]

Re: X32 Compact

Dear all,

I am pleased to announce that we will start shipping the new X32 Compact within the month on May from our China factory. While we won't be able to immediately meet all demand, the first units should arrive in stores within the next 4-6 weeks.

We are confident that the other models will follow over the next few months.

Warm regards

Uli

Great News. I've been waiting for this one for size reasons. What does it weigh? I've seen the dimensions, but I don't think it listed the weight.

 

[Paul Ramsingh]

Re: X32 Compact

Dear all,

I am pleased to announce that we will start shipping the new X32 Compact within the month on May from our China factory. While we won't be able to immediately meet all demand, the first units should arrive in stores within the next 4-6 weeks.

We are confident that the other models will follow over the next few months.

Warm regards

Uli

Hi Uli,

This is great news! Would you kindly let us know what the dimensions and weight are for the X32 Compact? I've looked on the X32 Brochure PDF and that information is not supplied. This would be great to know since I have a custom mixer case and would like to know if it fits. Lastly, I'm sure this has been asked already but is there an ETA on the version 2.0 firmware?

Thanks,
Paul

 

[Dragos Strat]

Re: Monitor out whine

G'day Dragos,

You can bypass the preamp by using the Aux inputs. Routing the Aux input to a channel and using the Aux input will not use the preamp.

Pauly

Hi Pauly,
x32 has only 6 aux and this is not enough for bypassing all preamps when you mix a project. I'll need 20+ channels for that. As I sad in my first post, I can't find relying info on internet if its better to bypass all preamps in the initial recording and after that, to ad all needed preamps ass I like. But maybe I haven't searched deep enough. My friend with Venice F-32 do bypassing preamps when record and add them later, but he is not a point of reference for me.

Any way, this is a question for all readers of this post.

How do you start a recording? bypasing preamps and adding them later when mixing the project? or do you record the tracks already coloured with eq and gain?

Do you now a good web resource for learning how to record and mix?

I find only general stuff on google about gear and stuff, but nothing like step by step- all you need to now- about recording a project. Here in Bucharest it is good training course, SAE, I can't afford a course (10 000 + EURO) because of my limited time and money (kid, wife, demanding job, rehearsals). I want to learn by my self all the secrets as I am very passionate about it, thinking all the time at music, how its made and what's behind every solid rock recording.

 

[Per Søvik]

Re: Monitor out whine

How do you start a recording? bypasing preamps and adding them later when mixing the project? or do you record the tracks already coloured with eq and gain?

I think you are confusing preamps and channel strips/channel processing. To record a signal initially, you need the preamps. It is quite common to record immediately after preamps/AD, sometimes inserting a highpass filter. Most people prefer to leave the rest of the eq'ing and processing 'till later.

 

[Joe Sanborn]

X32 Live! Webinar - X32 and Tracktion

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[Misja Hoen]

Re: Monitor out whine

Hi Dragos,

About the subject of bypassing the preamps in 20+ channel operation. Why would you want that? Unless you have 20+ high quality preamps. Wich on an analog desk is just inserted to bypass the pre's. Not an option on the digital desks i have met.

You will need the preamps to power all kinds of stuff like microphones even in a recording session.

There is no 101 into the art of sound. It all comes down to what you can grasp and a lot of time for experience. An education like SAE will take some time away but not the experience,

So sorry there are not many guidelines out there just simply because thats not how this works. I don't even know where to begin

Practise and time will teach,
Misja

 

[Robert Lofgren]

Re: Monitor out whine

How do you start a recording? bypasing preamps and adding them later when mixing the project? or do you record the tracks already coloured with eq and gain?

Everything before the a/d-converter is a preamp. It doesn't matter if it's a mic or line input.

In the 'old' days the preamps had influence on the signal quality and sound. However on most modern gear the preamps are more or less neutral unless it's been designed with a vintage touch.

In some designs the preamp is the same circuit between the mic and line input and the line input is just a pad that has been inserted.

Any mic that you connect to must go through a mic preamp otherwise you will not get any sound. In studios they may use external vintage preamps for some characteristic sound. So if you want to record drums with external preamps you'd need 4~16 of them to track the drums.

However, as Per said, I think you are confusing the channel strip with the preamp. In the vintage mixers the channel strip (eq, limiter and some other stuff affecting the signal) was all integrated into a single module with the mic/line preamp so you could only access the direct signal via a direct/tape or similar means thus bypassing the channel strip.

In the x32 (and any other digital mixer for that matter) you don't have this problem with the channel strip since in normal cases it doesn't affect the signal, unless you want it to.

I hope this make you understand the concept a little better...

 

[Robert Lofgren]

Re: Monitor out whine

or do you record the tracks already coloured with eq and gain?

Unless there is a special need for it, you should always record the audio as clean as possible. This means before any processing (eq, compression, reverb, etc...) to the signal is being done.

This allows you to add in your 'tools' later. If you add them during recording you may find later that what you added was not a god thing and now you can't remove it since it's been printed on the recorded track.

 

[Robert Lofgren]

Re: X32 Compact

Hi Uli,

This is great news! Would you kindly let us know what the dimensions and weight are for the X32 Compact? I've looked on the X32 Brochure PDF and that information is not supplied. This would be great to know since I have a custom mixer case and would like to know if it fits. Lastly, I'm sure this has been asked already but is there an ETA on the version 2.0 firmware?

Thanks,
Paul

If you're sure this has been asked before I'd say that using the forum search utility (or google) would be your first move....

So far it's been hinted by behringer that v2 will probably show sometime around the end of this year and that there will be at least one more v1.xx before that.

Also, I think that Joe from behringer has published the dimensions and weight in this thread.

 

[Paul Mirtschin]

Re: X32 Live! Webinar - X32 and Tracktion

Dear Guys,

We are offering an X32 Live! Webinar and Users Group this week on Tracktion.

X32 and Tracktion
Join us for a Webinar on May 16

Will be handy if I ever get sent the code that was promised "within 24 hours" after I registered my latest mixer... a week ago.

 

[Dragos Strat]

Re: Monitor out whine

Everything before the a/d-converter is a preamp. It doesn't matter if it's a mic or line input.

In the 'old' days the preamps had influence on the signal quality and sound. However on most modern gear the preamps are more or less neutral unless it's been designed with a vintage touch.

In some designs the preamp is the same circuit between the mic and line input and the line input is just a pad that has been inserted.

Any mic that you connect to must go through a mic preamp otherwise you will not get any sound. In studios they may use external vintage preamps for some characteristic sound. So if you want to record drums with external preamps you'd need 4~16 of them to track the drums.

However, as Per said, I think you are confusing the channel strip with the preamp. In the vintage mixers the channel strip (eq, limiter and some other stuff affecting the signal) was all integrated into a single module with the mic/line preamp so you could only access the direct signal via a direct/tape or similar means thus bypassing the channel strip.

In the x32 (and any other digital mixer for that matter) you don't have this problem with the channel strip since in normal cases it doesn't affect the signal, unless you want it to.

I hope this make you understand the concept a little better...

On my mental scheme, I wanted to record as clean as I could, and after that to ad, eq and gain at mix. but I see that is not possible, and maybe is not necessary since x32 preamps are transparent. A good strategy could be to record with gain at zero and bypassing eq?. Or a clean, balanced sound will be enough?

 

[Antoon van den Oetelaar]

Re: Monitor out whine

On my mental scheme, I wanted to record as clean as I could, and after that to ad, eq and gain at mix. but I see that is not possible, and maybe is not necessary since x32 preamps are transparent. A good strategy could be to record with gain at zero and bypassing eq?. Or a clean, balanced sound will be enough?

In digital eq off, or on zero gain is the same, the bits aren't changed.

Gain at zero isn't a good idea, you allways have to gain so that you make optimum use of your preamp and conversion. I wouldn't gain to high (If it's live nominal below -18dBFS)
If the signal is very weak, you will sacrifice a lot of bits, so it can be that you use only 10 bits at max.. If you have to gain it afterwards in digital that means you rise the noise floor quite a bit.