X32 Discussion

Re: S16 audio drop outs

Silas Pradetto said:
You want solid. Stranded does not maintain spec in most cases beyond about 200 feet, which I know from personal experience....
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We learned at our workshop that modern solid cable is treated to be much more tolerant of flexing than the solid of yesteryear. And IIRC correctly, we also learned that solid has better transmission characteristics than stranded.
 
Re: S16 audio drop outs

Costa Lakoumentas said:
Dear Brian,

To clarify further, you may not need to do anything to your power distribution system at all. You may have a properly designed and installed power system with a common ground and absolutely no issues. While "best practice" would be to run your console from the same power as your stage gear and amp racks, it is by no means mandatory.

The issue you experienced is most likely because of the incorrect cable. Get yourself the best cable you can and forget about it. Our head of product specialists, Joe Sanborn recommends this one from Pro Co. As the description points out, stranded wire is generally more durable for portable application where the cable is handled frequently. However solid conductors generally offer more reliable transmission over longer runs. In either case, shielded cable is best for interference-free and reliable operation.

Best regards,

Costa Lakoumentas
SVP, Marketing
MUSIC Group
www.music-group.com
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I happen to have a large amount of ProCo Dcat5 stranded/unshielded, and it absolutely does not maintain spec beyond 200 feet. I get constant dropped packets even at 200 feet. I do not recommend this product (though the one in the link is different than the one I used).
 
Fuse?

Hi All,

Due to a venue power problem last night at a non-X32 gig, I need to buy a bunch of fuses, and thought I'd get some X32 and S16 fuses at the same time.

However, I can't see that the X32 has a user-replaceable fuse. There's nothing in the manual, and I can't see anyting around the switch/input. Am I missing something?

Conversely, the S16 has a nice little fuse door, which says "Use only with a 250v fuse", but there is not a rating or size to be found on the back panel or in the manual.

The fuse itself says T2AH250V, which I guess is a 2 amp? Which is odd, since the power consumption of the unit is only 45 watts. It seems like it's a 5mm x 20mm.

Ideas?

Thanks,
Dan

Edit: Hey, this was my 200th post and I'm still a sophomore! I took a long time to get through college, but how did Sound Forums know? Typecast.
 
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Re: S16 audio drop outs

Silas Pradetto said:
I happen to have a large amount of ProCo Dcat5 stranded/unshielded, and it absolutely does not maintain spec beyond 200 feet. I get constant dropped packets even at 200 feet. I do not recommend this product (though the one in the link is different than the one I used).
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A 2 amp fuse on a device that uses 45 watts seems pretty accurate. The fuse is there designed to protect the gear if things get totally out of whack. A 1/2 amp fuse would probably work, but if there was any minor fluctuation that put you over a half amp, you'd be replacing fuses all the time. There's also the inrush current at startup that could exceed the power rating long enough to pop a fuse that closely matched. Now if something shorts out, the current draw would be well over 2 amps, therefore the fuse protects against additional failure.
 
Re: S16 audio drop outs

Brian jojade said:
A 2 amp fuse on a device that uses 45 watts seems pretty accurate. The fuse is there designed to protect the gear if things get totally out of whack. A 1/2 amp fuse would probably work, but if there was any minor fluctuation that put you over a half amp, you'd be replacing fuses all the time. There's also the inrush current at startup that could exceed the power rating long enough to pop a fuse that closely matched. Now if something shorts out, the current draw would be well over 2 amps, therefore the fuse protects against additional failure.
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Thanks Brian, that makes sense, yet the Drawmer 241 compressor calls for a 63mA fuse, which seems tiny. Can it consume so little power that 63mA gives it inrush headroom?
 
X32 Live! Webinar/User Groups - August 2013

Dear Guys,

We have a few X32 Webinars coming up this month.
Hope you can make it!

X32 Live! Webinar - Running Your Show with X32-Mix
Join us for a Webinar on August 8

Space is limited.
Reserve your Webinar seat now at:
https://www4.gotomeeting.com/register/446545279
Recent updates to the X32-Mix iPad App have added features that make it possible to setup and run your entire show right on your iPad. In this Webinar we will go into details on how to use the X32-Mix App including setup and detailed explanations of the app's functionality.
Title: X32 Live! Webinar - Running Your Show with X32-Mix
Date: Thursday, August 8, 2013
Time: 12:00 PM - 1:00 PM PDT


X32 Live! Webinar - X32 Setup & Configuration
Join us for a Webinar on August 22

Space is limited.
Reserve your Webinar seat now at:
https://www4.gotomeeting.com/register/777239359
This Webinar will go into detail on how to configure your X32 to best suite your needs. Topics covered will include detailed descriptions of all the options in the SETUP menu, setting up the Monitor and Talkback Section, and basic routing.
Title: X32 Live! Webinar - X32 Setup & Configuration
Date: Thursday, August 22, 2013
Time: 12:00 PM - 1:00 PM PDT


After registering you will receive a confirmation email containing information about joining the Webinar.
System Requirements
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Required: Windows® 7, Vista, XP or 2003 Server
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Required: Mac OS® X 10.6 or newer
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Re: X32 Discussion

The Roland cables are wired for crossover but the Roland console will work with both normal and crossover cables without any trouble.

I only sugguested to use an extension cord as a temporary solution to get the mixer and s16's on the ups possibly until he could afford another ups. It's a cheap way to find out If that fixes things...

Silas Pradetto said:
The Roland system requires a crossover cable; I'm surprised it works at all.

Sent from my XT907 2
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Re: Fuse?

Dan Mortensen said:
Hi All,

Due to a venue power problem last night at a non-X32 gig, I need to buy a bunch of fuses, and thought I'd get some X32 and S16 fuses at the same time.

However, I can't see that the X32 has a user-replaceable fuse. There's nothing in the manual, and I can't see anyting around the switch/input. Am I missing something?

Conversely, the S16 has a nice little fuse door, which says "Use only with a 250v fuse", but there is not a rating or size to be found on the back panel or in the manual.

The fuse itself says T2AH250V, which I guess is a 2 amp? Which is odd, since the power consumption of the unit is only 45 watts. It seems like it's a 5mm x 20mm.

Ideas?

Thanks,
Dan

Edit: Hey, this was my 200th post and I'm still a sophomore! I took a long time to get through college, but how did Sound Forums know? Typecast.
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Dan,

The "T" represents "Time", or in other words, use a slow blow fuse. It makes the fuse more resilient to peak inrush currents etc.

Darren
 
Re: Fuse?

Dan Mortensen said:
The fuse itself says T2AH250V, which I guess is a 2 amp? Which is odd, since the power consumption of the unit is only 45 watts. It seems like it's a 5mm x 20mm.
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Dan , the 2A in the part does indeed mean its a 2 amp, and the T at the start means is a slow blow ( or anti surge, time delayed or what ever name you know it as) . So if you buy new ones remember not to buy fast blow 2A ones as the surge current may blow them even when there's nothing wrong.

Kev
 
Re: Fuse?

Kevin Hunter said:
Dan , the 2A in the part does indeed mean its a 2 amp, and the T at the start means is a slow blow ( or anti surge, time delayed or what ever name you know it as) . So if you buy new ones remember not to buy fast blow 2A ones as the surge current may blow them even when there's nothing wrong.
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T means Träg (slow or lazy in German), the opposite is F for Flink (quick)
I believe the H in the middle is a voltage designation meaning that the blown fuse will isolate a minimum of 500 V, I guess it is a ceramic or sand-filled type?
And then the obvious 250 Volt operating voltage designation at the end.
 
Best cables for X32

I highly recommend getting custom Cat6 w/ethercon cables from Redco Audio. They use Duracat6 solid conductor cables and their custom cables are literally half the price of the ProCo's.

I'm very happy with my cables.
 
Re: Best cables for X32

Dear all,

the discussion around digital networking is an important one and hence allow me to share a few comments.

We are currently working on a White Paper to explain the technical background related to digital networking and how to ensure reliable connections especially in challenging live environments.

In that context I like to highlight once more the importance of mains filtering. While UPS devices will ensure continuous power supply, they usually do not provide for mains filtering.

However, power spikes are one of the main reasons for signal interruptions in digital devices and hence it is critical to a) separate the power supply of your console and stage boxes from any lighting equipment etc. and b) install quality mains filters.

The AES50-based HYPERMAC networking protocol, designed by MIDAS and KLARK TEKNIK, is also utilized in the X32 system. It is extremely reliable and has been used for years in some of the world's largest touring setups.
Furthermore with the installation of now ten-thousands of X32/S16 systems, we have come across very few networking problems and those could almost always be tracked down to the common issues such as lack of UPS, mains filtering or inadequate cables etc.

We are currently working with Neutrik to have them design and manufacture a high-quality networking cable, suitable for all MIDAS and BEHRINGER consoles as well as third party products. Since we will be ordering a very large amount of those cables, we feel confident to be able to offer it at a very reasonable price through our regular distribution.

On a separate note, we have been often asked to provide road-cases for our X32 products. We are very pleased to announce that we will be offering TP or "Touring Pack" versions for all of our X32, COMPACT and PRODUCER mixers. The road cases are made of very high quality birch wood and we will be shipping those TP products within this month.

Let me take this opportunity to thank you once more for all your support. Your feedback is invaluable and greatly helps us to provide you with better products and service.

Warm regards

Uli
 
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Re: Best cables for X32

Uli Behringer said:
On a separate note, we have been often asked to provide road-cases for our X32 products. We are very pleased to announce that we will be offering TP or "Touring Pack" versions for all of our X32, COMPACT and PRODUCER versions. The road cases are made of very high quality birch wood and we will be shipping those TP products within this month.
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When will pictures/specs/prices be available? I have a couple quotes from custom shops and can't hold off much longer.
 
2 X32s in 'training' mode

Just finished a run of Copacabana tonight with 20 wireless mics and the usual orchestra set up, etc.. The young lad helping me asked if he could run a show or two. Usually don't have a problem when it's panto time(!), but decided to let him have a go (how else do you learn). Using my sync link app I took down and set up my 2nd x32 which I was able to sit at and dual control the desk, making any necessary adjustments and being able to take over without pushing him out of the way. Worked a treat (photo's a bit dark, but you get the jist).
 

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Re: Best cables for X32

Uli Behringer said:
We are currently working on a White Paper to explain the technical background related to digital networking and how to ensure reliable connections especially in challenging live environments.

In that context I like to highlight once more the importance of mains filtering. While UPS devices will ensure continuous power supply, they usually do not provide for mains filtering.

However, power spikes are one the main reasons for signal interruptions in digital devices and hence it is critical to a) separate the power supply of your console and stage boxes from any lighting equipment etc. and b) install quality mains filters.
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Thanks, Uli, this White Paper is definitely something to look forward to.

Regarding filtering, won't an On-line UPS have mains filtering by definition? (On-line meaning inverter charges battery, other inverter converts battery power to AC usable by connected device.) No spikes from the mains could get through the battery to the connected device, right?

Regarding your discussions with Neutrik, who I wasn't aware made cables but am happy to hear different, can you get them to provide you with Powercons for AC input to your devices rather than the IEC cables which can pull loose or fall out? That seems like a notable shortcoming on power amps, especially, but also on the consoles. Having a secure power input would be worth another $5 for sure, if it's that simple. And it would certainly increase the "pro" perception of the products IMO.

Back on topic, having an official Behringer snake cable seems like it will eliminate a variable in that important area and provide confidence to your customers that this critical part of the equation will work correctly.

Thanks,
Dan
 
Updating Firmware

In other news, I discovered the confusing way that if you have two firmware versions on your USB stick, and if one is older than your current software, the console will install the first one it sees.

The first one it sees will be alphabetically first, and since the updates all have the same name except the suffix, then you will install the older version and go back in time and be surprised.
 
Re: Updating Firmware

Dan Mortensen said:
In other news, I discovered the confusing way that if you have two firmware versions on your USB stick, and if one is older than your current software, the console will install the first one it sees.

The first one it sees will be alphabetically first, and since the updates all have the same name except the suffix, then you will install the older version and go back in time and be surprised.
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Hello

That must be the reason why on Behringer website update instructions tell you to use formatted usb-stick to load the update. I was wondering about that but just did it that way. Now I know why.
 
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