X32 Discussion

[Robert Lofgren]

Behringer forum and mail breakdown

Gotta say, as a computer geek, that the forums.behringer.com being down this long is crazy. If it was setup properly with a virtual machine it could have been moved to any number of vps's and been up in hours. If all they had was backups, I could have tossed it on a linode machine and had it up and running in less than a day. A major trio of products being released and they can get a forum up? Geez, who's running that operation. It calls into question their entire computer end of the business.

Their servers has been down and slow lately so it may not only be a hardware problem. The problem could be worse than that. It could be a major database meltdown and the problem could exist in older backups.

Perhaps the backend database is a lotus notes server or a microsoft sharepoint server.

Databases are also problematic to backup/restore properly due to its volatile nature. There could be information that they need to salvage from the corrupt database.

I can't otherwise think of why a mail server and a forum server would go down on the same time...

 

[Robert Goldberg]

Re: Master/Slave X32 with X32 Compact

Can you post a link to your scene file? Perhaps someone could look into it for you. I tend to believe that something is setup wrong, but that should be fairly easy to tell from your scene file.

Here is the link to the scene file:

The Goldberg Family - Behringer X32 Files

Many thanks to those willing to take a look at it. I should mention that today I loaded up a demo multitrack file into Tracktion and set up the XUF card and played the demo tracks back into the mixer. I made sure that no channels tied to that reverb bus were sent by Tracktion. I still had signal coming out. In fact if I just put a mic on channel 1 (which goes to vocal reverb channel - 13, but not to instrument reverb channel - 14), I still get signal appearing on bus 14.

 

[Karl Barnes]

Re: X32 Discussion

OK, I haven't actually used the mixer very much after the update, but in general I have found playback from most daws and/or into multichannel interfaces to be unstable on all my windows computers unless I clean them up and get rid of all processes that are not needed for the task. I think there is some stuff on the SAC-forum on cleaning up and optimizing Windows computers, Christian Boche put up some links (in this topic maybe) a few months ago.

btw, check the indicator in top of the display for the status of the interface when it goes quiet.

I've noticed a similar thing.
Since updating to 1.15 and the new card firmware, my laptop loses connection mid-recording.
Annoying in a studio scenario and fatal during a gig, as there's no chance to re-take.

Karl.

 

[Nick Davis]

Re: Subgroup compression

There is the Link Preferences in Setup - global, Dynamics Link. To unlink only one instance, I can't find another way than unlinking the channels/buses themselves.

Thanks Per - that option will do nicely - just what I want (silly me have not really looked much at preferences - the default have served mainly to date except lock stagebox)

 

[Fiona Hammond]

Re: I am still in search of the "advertised" 100 preset library for channel strip,

Recive Mail form Care on Wednesday.

I send a anwser on Thursday with ALL the thinks they want to have.

Monday .... nothing....

16:45 i got a Mail

"We didnt recive a anwser so we close your call. !! WTF ?????

Dear Glenn,

We received your required proof of purchase just yesterday, after we sent you the 'closed case' message.

Your request is being handled by a warranty agent as I type this. You can expect to hear from them shortly.


Kind Regards,
Fiona Hammond
CARE
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER

 

[Andrew Prince]

Re: X32 Discussion

Since updating to 1.15 and the new card firmware, my laptop loses connection mid-recording.
Annoying in a studio scenario and fatal during a gig, as there's no chance to re-take.

Hi Karl,

I've not updated my X32 yet. I think it's still running v1.12 or v1.13. I'd be very interested in any further updates you might be willing to post on this issue, if you plan on doing any testing.

For the record, I would suspect the XUF card firmware update before the X32 firmware update. I say this because there will be plenty of people that have upgraded the desk firmware but not so many that have upgraded the XUF card firmware and I'm not seeing many people logging issues with v1.15 and recording via the XUF card. I wonder if it's possible to roll back the firmware on the XUF card? Is there even a download for the older firmware?

Makes sense?

 

[John DiNicola]

Re: Master/Slave X32 with X32 Compact

Here is the link to the scene file:

The Goldberg Family - Behringer X32 Files

Many thanks to those willing to take a look at it. I should mention that today I loaded up a demo multitrack file into Tracktion and set up the XUF card and played the demo tracks back into the mixer. I made sure that no channels tied to that reverb bus were sent by Tracktion. I still had signal coming out. In fact if I just put a mic on channel 1 (which goes to vocal reverb channel - 13, but not to instrument reverb channel - 14), I still get signal appearing on bus 14.

Robert,
After looking at your scene file, I noticed that your FX return channels for FX 1 & 2 are feeding both Buses 13-14. This is certainly not desirable as it creates a feedback loop by connecting the outputs of the FX directly back into their inputs. It also shows that reverb signal coming out of FX Slot 1 was being fed to FX Slot 2 (via the send from FX Return 1 to bus 14), which is why you see signal coming from both FX when a channel is only being fed to one. Click Sends on Fader, select Bus 13, and pull down your FX Return Channel faders. Do the same with Bus 14.
Also I noticed that Aux Channels 5 & 6 are feeding Bus 13 (FX 1) very slightly. You can see this by selecting those channels and looking at the bus sends on the "home" screen of the channel strip.

Let us know how you make out!

 

[Robert Goldberg]

Re: Master/Slave X32 with X32 Compact

Robert,
After looking at your scene file, I noticed that your FX return channels for FX 1 & 2 are feeding both Buses 13-14. This is certainly not desirable as it creates a feedback loop by connecting the outputs of the FX directly back into their inputs. It also shows that reverb signal coming out of FX Slot 1 was being fed to FX Slot 2 (via the send from FX Return 1 to bus 14), which is why you see signal coming from both FX when a channel is only being fed to one. Click Sends on Fader, select Bus 13, and pull down your FX Return Channel faders. Do the same with Bus 14.
Also I noticed that Aux Channels 5 & 6 are feeding Bus 13 (FX 1) very slightly. You can see this by selecting those channels and looking at the bus sends on the "home" screen of the channel strip.

Let us know how you make out!

Thank you so much John. I will check that out tonight when I get home from work.

It seems some people think I'm not spending time with my board and just coming to this forum to ask questions without doing any research. That is definitely not the case. I have spent so many hours with the board in the last 10 or 12 days I can't even remember eating or sleeping. I have spent hours and hours watching webinars and other videos about the X32 on YouTube. I have read the entire manual. If I hadn't been doing all of that I wouldn't even know what questions to ask. But the truth is that I really am a keyboard player who has done mixing using simple analog mixers in the past and the X32 is a quantum leap forward for me. My 7 piece band has a gig this coming weekend so I have really been under pressure to have a logical, working, configuration for that. I try to make my questions meaningful, even if for some people they are trivial questions.

I know there are many many people in this forum with hugely developed skill sets for mixing, recording, etc. I am coming from a place where before 2 days ago I have never even used DAW software and I have never used digital mixing consoles.

I have huge appreciation for those on the forum who are willing to help a newbie get up to speed. For those who are bothered by my "trivial" questions, I can only say feel free to ignore them. It seems like most people are willing to help me and I hope that one day I will be answering questions for others.

Thanks again John. I will report back tonight once I've had a chance to play with the setting you have pointed out to me

Rob

 

[Nick Davis]

Re: Master/Slave X32 with X32 Compact

=My 7 piece band has a gig this coming weekend so I have really been under pressure to have a logical, working, configuration for that.

Rob

Hi Rob- I suggest for your first live run to keep your configuration simple and straight forward- "KISS"!

(plus since as part of your learning experience you have been playing around with options go back to a "clean" scene or reinitialize the console to clear out any dubios settings and apply what you have learned afresh )

 

[Per Søvik]

Re: Master/Slave X32 with X32 Compact

Here is the link to the scene file:

The Goldberg Family - Behringer X32 Files

The aux5-6 was actually sending to Bus 13, if you look at the main screen for one of those channels, you can see a faint orange stripe on the send to 13 and in sends on faders view, you can see that the faders for 13 are slightly up.

The effect returns are feeding the effects, so you have a loop on your hands that will cause violent feedback when turning the Bus13 and 14 faders up, just set the sends from all effect returns to zero or set all sends to mute.

Edit: Sorry, I see John has posted the exact same answer, so what I wrote is obviously redundant and repetitive.

 

[Robert Goldberg]

Re: Master/Slave X32 with X32 Compact

The aux5-6 was actually sending to Bus 13, if you look at the main screen for one of those channels, you can see a faint orange stripe on the send to 13 and in sends on faders view, you can see that the faders for 13 are slightly up.

The effect returns are feeding the effects, so you have a loop on your hands that will cause violent feedback when turning the Bus13 and 14 faders up, just set the sends from all effect returns to zero or set all sends to mute.

Thanks Per. The effects are one of the last things I've been trying to get set up so I'm surprised I've done it wrong. I will check everything out tonight.

I know this may seem like a silly question but I can't seem to figure out how to put an effect on a mix bus. Like adding reverb to a monitor mix.

 

[Per Søvik]

Re: Master/Slave X32 with X32 Compact

I know this may seem like a silly question but I can't seem to figure out how to put an effect on a mix bus. Like adding reverb to a monitor mix.

You send from the effects return to the monitor channel, the easiest way is to select the monitor you want effect in, hit sends on fader, and turn up the return you want to send from (having first selected the aux-fx layer layer on the left)

 

[Per Søvik]

Re: Master/Slave X32 with X32 Compact

I know there are many many people in this forum with hugely developed skill sets for mixing, recording, etc. I am coming from a place where before 2 days ago I have never even used DAW software and I have never used digital mixing consoles.

Half of us couldn't hack it as musicians, that's why we are sound guys, so don't worry about it, you're a step above us anyway.

You know they say that drummers are folks with a sense of rhythm that likes to hang out with musicians. The spillover from that process becomes soundguys ~;-)~:wink:

 

[Nick Davis]

strange or not strange!

I am just mixing down a live recording - at stage where I have mixed the mutli-tracks down to a left and right channel - at average of -18dbfs with a fair dynamic range.
I may need to go back to the multi but:
There is a point I have noticed where there is a good snap on snare and kick - but each time I play this part the level for the snare & kick can change varies between 3/4 dbfs. Taken everything off no compression /eq or effects on the X32 or the DAW (playback levels in the daw are constant). Presume it is happening elsewhere but have not delved further ( yes does occur else where if loop a short passage and look at peak level on different passes.

Perplexed!

Nick

 

[Liam Donaldson]

Re: strange or not strange!

Anyone know where to download the XF card update file?

Behringer link seems to be out of service.

 

[John DiNicola]

Re: strange or not strange!

Dear Liam,
This direct link just worked for me: http://www.behringerdownload.de/X32/X-UF_UpgradeTool_8412.zip

If you still have trouble hit me with a PM and I will get you the file.

 

[Nick Davis]

Re: strange or not strange!

I am just mixing down a live recording - at stage where I have mixed the mutli-tracks down to a left and right channel - at average of -18dbfs with a fair dynamic range.
I may need to go back to the multi but:
There is a point I have noticed where there is a good snap on snare and kick - but each time I play this part the level for the snare & kick can change varies between 3/4 dbfs. Taken everything off no compression /eq or effects on the X32 or the DAW (playback levels in the daw are constant). Presume it is happening elsewhere but have not delved further ( yes does occur else where if loop a short passage and look at peak level on different passes.

Perplexed!

Nick

Although looked at this some time ago - decided to do some calibration tests between Reaper and the X32.

a Question first on the oscillator screen - why if I use pink noise ( at 1K) and set the generate level to -18 dbfs - the output meter is fluctuating between -15Bdfs and -12dBfs.

Ok recording oscillator tones in reaper - all set to unity.
sine wave at -18dbfs records on Reaper at -18dbfs and then plays back on x32 at -18dbfs - fine
pink noise - output from x32 -18Dbfs (peak)- ( generate level for oscillator set at -24Dbfs). - records on reaper about 2 or so Dbfs higher (peak at about -16Dbfs) - but plays back on X32 at same level as was originally generated.

Obviously I do not understand the characteristics of pink noise - can someone explain.

However - does not explain the original queries I had about the seemingly variation in playback level of same piece of audio!

Ta

added - looking at the channel input meter this seems to show a more constant peak - though there is a slight variation 1-2 Dbsf (BTW looking at the variation on the output this is / can be greater than my first observed 3/4 Dbfs 3-6) - in reaper the peak level is constant.
So could it be to do with the drivers the interface card the x32 processing or a combination or is there a known reason for this type of thing,

(or is it the meters not being terribly accurate!)

ta again

Nick

 

[Eric Hill - USA]

Re: strange or not strange!

Question first on the oscillator screen - why if I use pink noise ( at 1K) and set the generate level to -18 dbfs - the output meter is fluctuating between -15Bdfs and -12dBfs.

That doesn't sound abnormal.

The peak amplitude of pink noise varies.

The meter is fast at reflecting the change in the pink noise amplitude. If the meter was weighted a bit, you'd see less of the fluctuation.

I find it easier to use a sine wave to set relative levels between devices. (Although, sometimes I use pink noise.)

Eric H.

 

[Nick Davis]

Re: strange or not strange!

That doesn't sound abnormal.

The peak amplitude of pink noise varies.

The meter is fast at reflecting the change in the pink noise amplitude. If the meter was weighted a bit, you'd see less of the fluctuation.

I find it easier to use a sine wave to set relative levels between devices. (Although, sometimes I use pink noise.)

Eric H.

thanks that explains that bit to a certain extent.
Certainly using a sine wave the x32 and reaper are in step.
However still perplexed if I loop the same piece of audio the peak level varies on x32 meters on different passes but constant in reaper ( as said no other processing within x32)!
Anyone else noticed this

 

[Scott Bolt]

Re: strange or not strange!

Although looked at this some time ago - decided to do some calibration tests between Reaper and the X32.

a Question first on the oscillator screen - why if I use pink noise ( at 1K) and set the generate level to -18 dbfs - the output meter is fluctuating between -15Bdfs and -12dBfs.

Ok recording oscillator tones in reaper - all set to unity.
sine wave at -18dbfs records on Reaper at -18dbfs and then plays back on x32 at -18dbfs - fine
pink noise - output from x32 -18Dbfs (peak)- ( generate level for oscillator set at -24Dbfs). - records on reaper about 2 or so Dbfs higher (peak at about -16Dbfs) - but plays back on X32 at same level as was originally generated.

Obviously I do not understand the characteristics of pink noise - can someone explain.

However - does not explain the original queries I had about the seemingly variation in playback level of same piece of audio!

Ta

added - looking at the channel input meter this seems to show a more constant peak - though there is a slight variation 1-2 Dbsf (BTW looking at the variation on the output this is / can be greater than my first observed 3/4 Dbfs 3-6) - in reaper the peak level is constant.
So could it be to do with the drivers the interface card the x32 processing or a combination or is there a known reason for this type of thing,

(or is it the meters not being terribly accurate!)

ta again

Nick

Hi Nick,

Meters can only show an instantaneous reading of a mix of frequencies being sent into the channel. By your description above, I am guessing that you hit very close to the mechanism that Behringer used to define their meter response. From here: VU meter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia You can get some idea of what digital meters are attempting to duplicate

Pink noise is an uneven amplitude of different frequencies based on attempting to get an even power density output at every frequency. I would expect this to read slightly higher on a channel strip than a fixed frequency.