X32 Discussion

Re: RMA'd

Rob Dellwood said:
Hi Christian,

Thanks for the continued info posts. Is that a mixer lamp I see plugged into the USB?? I thought the manual said that wouldn't work, so never tried it. Looks like you have discovered another handy 'feature' on the board. Do you know if the USB port will also charge iPods if plugged in there?
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If the manual says to do it, it could be because the port isn't designed to deliver power to devices. Per USB spec the light should work, but maybe there is some rare scenario, where a light could draw too much power and cause a glitch. So, the solution is to say in the manual that you're not supposed to do that. If you decide to ignore the manual and it does cause problems, then it's your fault.

As far as defending Behringer, they have a lot riding on this product. It's got an amazing set of features at a far lower price than anyone else. Reviews of early testers have been extremely positive. It could be a turning point for the reputation of the company. I'm sure they've sold a ton more of these boards in the few weeks they have been available than any other manufacturer did in the same period, so just counting the number of complaints is hard to gauge. Still, the problems are starting to pop up on many forums, and it's worth paying attention to.

To be a real player in the higher end market, you need to be able to ship products that a customer has faith that it's going to work out of the box, with no trouble. Because of their previous reputation, they are going to be under high scrutiny for some time now. Hopefully that's a good thing, and forces everyone to step up their game.
 
Re: RMA'd

Rob Dellwood said:
Hi Christian,

Thanks for the continued info posts. Is that a mixer lamp I see plugged into the USB?? I thought the manual said that wouldn't work, so never tried it. Looks like you have discovered another handy 'feature' on the board. Do you know if the USB port will also charge iPods if plugged in there?

Also, is that the Thon case from Thoman? If it is, can you tell me if that is the 'standard' X32 case? Looks like it has plenty of extra room. Are you happy with the case?

Thanks again! -Rob
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Hi Rob,

yes, that's a cheap USB lamp. But I don't want to encourage you, to use one. This is not covered by Behringer, but it works for me. So don't blame me, if something strange happends with your board:-) Sorry, don't know about the iPod.

It is in deed the Thomann standard case. But I ordered mine in black and with no Thomann badge, which is about 10% extra. The case is nice, but two things are annoying. If it would be just 2cm deeper, I could permanet install my D-Link 815 router. If you look closely, it just lays around in the case. My case has four handles, but six (two more, turned around 90°) would be better, when carrying the case with two persons. Otherwise it is build well and get's the job done.
Christian
 
Re: RMA'd

If the manual says to do it, it could be because the port isn't designed to deliver power to devices. Per USB spec the light should work, but maybe there is some rare scenario, where a light could draw too much power and cause a glitch. So, the solution is to say in the manual that you're not supposed to do that. If you decide to ignore the manual and it does cause problems, then it's your fault.
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+1 :-)
 
Driving Subs (aka "Aux Fed Subs")

Hi,

Has anyone driven subs directly from an X32 output, essentially using the EQ’s in the X32 as a crossover?

It would be great to eliminate the outboard digital crossover, to avoid another A/D and D/A conversion.

I believe there’s at least two ways subs can be fed directly from the X32. (I’ve figured out how to do it using the mono-bus. Basically, the concept of “aux fed subs,” using the mono-bus.)

With this particular rig, I’ve been crossing at 100 Hz, using a 24 dB/oct Butterworth.

If I set the low-cut and high-cut filters at 100 Hz on the mains and M/C outputs (respectively), the slope doesn’t look as steep as a 4th order. Maybe 3rd or even 2nd order. Hard to tell on the screen.

There doesn’t appear to be a way to set the slope on the low and high cut filters.

Eric
 
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I would love to see Behringer branch out to the iPhone as well by adding an app to control just the bus sends. That way my musicians who are on wireless in-ear monitors can control their mix with their iPhone's onstage rather than needing to have an iPad.

Eventually it would be nice to have the XIControl app available for the android platform, one of my audio techs was hoping for this as he does not have an iPad.
 
Quick Review

Hi,

Just a quick review…

My first impressions of the X32 are very positive.

I read one post saying the faders weren't very smooth, but I beg to differ. I like my faders light, and am finding these to be just fine.

Build quality appears to be pretty good. Aside from the couple of problems I already mentioned (Behringer is working with me very diligently to resolve them), there were a couple of cosmetic blemishes.

I also read a post claiming that the board is made from plastic. The end-caps appear to be plastic. But, the chassis top appears to be metal. The area around the screen is plastic. I was able to lift the board just fine by myself. I wouldn’t consider it light, nor heavy, for its size. It doesn’t appear to be “cheap” to me.

The layout is intuitive. In many cases, there are multiple ways to accomplish something, depending upon where you’re at. That is going to be great for workflow.

The UI layout is pretty good. I found a few quirks here and there. For example, I think programming the scribble scripts could be more intuitive.

That said, intuitive UI’s are very complicated to design. We already see Behringer willing to listen to feedback, and make adjustments.

Aside from how to program the scribble strips, I haven’t needed the preliminary manual or quick-start guide. (I did print the block-diagram, though.)

I’ve already figured out (and tested) how to do “aux fed subs,” although how to do the crossover eludes me at the moment.

Overall, I think Behringer has done a great job with the X32. I’m looking forward to moving it into production.

Eric
 
Re: RMA'd

Hi all,

Last tuesday I received my second X32. After the initial problem with the not functioning button, I'm happy to say that this one is flawless! Got myself locked up in the garage each night learning to deal with the console. It was some good brain training for me to clearly follow the signal paths within this console. I mastered it, kind of, and now I'm confident with it.

So this night I used it at our band rehearsel. Everything worked as expected!

We're using at this moment the DDX3216 for inears and FOH. And now...... The soundquality of the X32 is, even for the (not often very tech- and soundminded) bandmembers, cleary audible. It indeed sounds very clean and pristine to our ears. They were very impressed by the fx quality.
Our trumpetplayer brought in his Ipad and couldn't believe the easyness of connecting the Ipad to the console. When the faders moved, he was in awe.

Tested recording via firewire, works a treat. No hickups in this section of the board (nor in other sections .....)The only failure was my old laptops full disc :-)

I am, and my bandmembers as well, very impressed by the possibilities and sound of this console!

SOS now has the road test for the console on paper.
Product Review - Behringer X32 Field Test
Mike Crofts phoned a few times to Behringer HQ according to his review.
Why didn't he join this forum? It would have saved him an hour searching for solutions! ;-)

Greetings from Holland, Douwe Jan

@Christian; See you on Tuesday! Really looking forward to meeting you!
 
Re: RMA'd

Drew Brashler said:
Eventually it would be nice to have the XIControl app available for the android platform, one of my audio techs was hoping for this as he does not have an iPad.
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They announced some time that there would be an Android app, but still won't say when. This is the biggest reason I'm holding off buying an X32. When they release an Adroid version of remote control, I'll get serious about buying.
 
Re: RMA'd

Hey all. Just chiming in to say that I received my X32 a few days ago and have, what I am guessing is, a similar issue as Mr Eric Hill to my channel 32 preamp. The noise I get when I crank the input gain on 32 sounds like a CD skipping and I also pickup a lot of noise when I move any of the surrounding faders. After speaking with Behringer CS I was informed this issue is known and will be addressed in an upcoming firmware update. I am unsure what the actual issue stems from, my personal belief is that it is hardware related, but will wait to see what proposed solution comes forward. Besides that, it seems that everything is working as advertised and I am very thrilled at the capabilities of the unit.

I am wondering if anyone knows the innards of the X32. Are the section of 8 preamps/ADCs all on the same board and easily replaceable? If this is deemed as hardware related I would hate to ship this back to the repair facility for something I can easily do myself.

One thing I noticed is that Behringer is really interested in the success of this product by the amount of firmware updates and the presence of CS reps in different forums.

I have a request to current X32 owners:

1. load the default scene without any effects or weird routing (I am using the factory scene 1)
2. Unplug any inputs for channels 1-32
3. Turn the preamp gain to 100% for each channel
4. Select the "meters" tab and then go to the "in/out" page
5. Observe if there is any consistent noise/activity on any of the input channels



Here is a screenshot from my board:

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You might also try...

1. Pick another channel, let's say 5. (Doesn't matter which channel.)
2. Go into the input/output routing. (I've already boxed up the board, so I can't give you specific directions. I'm sure you'll figure it out.)
3. Tell Channel 5 to get it's input from 32, pre-eq.

At that point, Channel 32 is still being fed by the Channel 32 XLR (with nothing plugged in). Also, Channel 5 will be fed from Channel 32, probably right after the A/D conversion on Channel 32.

When I did this with my noisy channel (16), the noise appeared on Channel 5, too.
 
re: X32 Discussion

Nick Davis said:
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Has anyone else had similar physical controller issues?

It seems that a thorough test of all functionality is required on receiving the unit - nice if someone could come up with a test schedule!

Nick
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BTW I was not intending this as a Behringer bashing post - just emphasising the importance of trying to do a thorough test when the unit is received especially as the X32 has a myriad of features. I am not concerned with the fact that ( as with all manufacturers) there may be issues with the odd unit - my concern is probably with the current back-log of orders ( especially here in the UK/Europe) of getting a speedy replacement if by chance there is a fault.

(My only concerning re- sticking/ jamming buttons is if this manifests itself over time as I am not sure that the warranty covers this eventuality)

Nick
 
Thon case for X32

Hello


I find the Thon case very good.
6 handles - 4 butterfly latches.
Space inside: paddind on lower part is only at corners and X32 slips snugly in rigt place leaving enough space underneath for good airflow. At faderside the board is tight against case profile. On connector side there is enough space for snake split with multipin connector, or one can put the top cover on while connected.

Top cover naturally has padding to keep X32 in place whilst in transit.

Since I am going to use digital CAT5 snake as soon it is delivered, I´ll make an extra open box, that fits in on connector side and stays put, when case is closed and make it just right high, so everything stays there even upside down. In this box I will store my UPS, Wifi-router, headphones etc. Just have to lift it out, when using X32 to allow airflow.

Nuuska
 
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Eric Hill - USA said:
You might also try...

1. Pick another channel, let's say 5. (Doesn't matter which channel.)
2. Go into the input/output routing. (I've already boxed up the board, so I can't give you specific directions. I'm sure you'll figure it out.)
3. Tell Channel 5 to get it's input from 32, pre-eq.

At that point, Channel 32 is still being fed by the Channel 32 XLR (with nothing plugged in). Also, Channel 5 will be fed from Channel 32, probably right after the A/D conversion on Channel 32.

When I did this with my noisy channel (16), the noise appeared on Channel 5, too.
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I just tried that and yes channel 32 input is noisy. I assigned it to channels 1 and 10 with the same results as when it was configured normally. I also assigned aux 6 to channel 32 and everything works as expected.
 
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I am wondering if anyone knows the innards of the X32. Are the section of 8 preamps/ADCs all on the same board and easily replaceable?
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The X32 is build in blocks of eight. You got four inputs cards and two outputcards. If you (theoretical) switch the first input card (1-8) with the last one (25-32), and the noise is still there in channel 32, than chances are high, that this is somekind of software issue.
Of course you should NOT do that, otherwise you void your warranty!
Christian

@Christian; See you on Tuesday! Really looking forward to meeting you!
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@Jan: I will be there:-)
 
Re: RMA'd

Christian Boche said:
Hi Guys,
I thought I throw in some good news. I do have the board since febuary this year (it had firmware V0.4, I guess) and just came back from gig No.47. I used one S-16 and had for the first time a guest engineer on the X32. Five piece band, small venue about 120pax. Fine as always! I never had trouble with this desk, but it seems, that I should really clean up my work space. What a mess:-)






Tomorrow I'm heading for gig No.48:-)

Have a great weekend!
Christian
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Christian,

First off I want to thank you for helping everyone on these forums. I am curious though why you have not upgraded your firmware. I would think with the updates, it would help the mixer be more stable and you could report back to Behringer on the improvements and how it works with the updates. Just a thought. Thanks again for all your help.
 
Re: RMA'd

Hi Glen,

the last gig was already with the latest firmware (1.07). I always try to use the newest one, but I don't have the console around every day. So it takes me sometimes four or five days, when I come to me warehouse for a firmware up date. Oh..wait...did you think, that I'm still on 0.4? No, that's not the case - of course I try to install the latest firmware asap. I just wanted to show, that the Behringer guys are consitently working on bugfixes and new features. Sorry, that I obviously not made that clear enough.
Christian
 
Re: Thon case for x32

The only errors that occurred to me, concerned the USB player (umlauts) and naming scenes.
With the latest firmware (1.07) these bugs are fixed.

I've build a custom made ​​case by thomann leave with 6 handles and 4 butterfly catches.
So small and light as possible from "PLASTIC" (97 x 59 x 28 cm). Profiles, Corners and
Handles are made ​​of metal, of course 8)~8-)~:cool: The weight is only 31kg with the x32, so I can
load it and move alone. The air duct is located under the console and the air vents on
front and rear are ca. 2cm x 10cm. Everything is well padded. In addition I have build
a 4U SKB case with CD player, Alfa wireless access point (booster) and a drawer with
the Tablet (x41) + power supply. The Tablet is locked in the drawer and can always
be removed if necessary. In the back of the case sits a APC Back-UPS 500 and a small
multicore with cat5, 1394, power cord and jack cable from the CD player, for a quick
connection on x32.

Walter Mielke

Thanks Christian for the idea with the Tablet x41.
Since the display can be rotated 180 degrees, works very well with drawer!
 
Re: RMA'd

Christian Boche said:
Hi Glen,
. Oh..wait...did you think, that I'm still on 0.4? No, that's not the case - of course I try to install the latest firmware asap. I just wanted to show, that the Behringer guys are consitently working on bugfixes and new features. Sorry, that I obviously not made that clear enough.
Christian
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Thats what I thought! :lol: :D~:-D~:grin:
 
Re: Thon case for x32

Walter Mielke said:
The only errors that occurred to me, concerned the USB player (umlauts) and naming scenes.
With the latest firmware (1.07) these bugs are fixed.

I've build a custom made ​​case by thomann leave with 6 handles and 4 butterfly catches.
So small and light as possible from "PLASTIC" (97 x 59 x 28 cm). Profiles, Corners and
Handles are made ​​of metal, of course 8)~8-)~:cool: The weight is only 31kg with the x32, so I can
load it and move alone. The air duct is located under the console and the air vents on
front and rear are ca. 2cm x 10cm. Everything is well padded. In addition I have build
a 4U SKB case with CD player, Alfa wireless access point (booster) and a drawer with
the Tablet (x41) + power supply. The Tablet is locked in the drawer and can always
be removed if necessary. In the back of the case sits a APC Back-UPS 500 and a small
multicore with cat5, 1394, power cord and jack cable from the CD player, for a quick
connection on x32.

Walter Mielke

Thanks Christian for the idea with the Tablet x41.
Since the display can be rotated 180 degrees, works very well with drawer!
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That sounds nice! Pictures Please!!!

@Glen: :-)
 
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