X32 Discussion

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just waiting till they hit the shores now with a twitching wallet!!

Is there any news on the android app? Im not going to be buying an ipad, and i already have a couple of android tablets (and phone) in the meantime, Ill probably run the software on a PC that I use for playback anyway, and use remote desktop on the tablet to control the desk for soundcheck etc, but a proper android app would be better really.
 
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Christian,

Have you had a chance to test both the iPad app and the PC app? Can they both be connected to the console at the same time?

Thanks.

Branin
 
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Branin Lippincott said:
Christian,

Have you had a chance to test both the iPad app and the PC app? Can they both be connected to the console at the same time?

Thanks.


Branin
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Hi,

I have a beta version of the PC Remote Editor here - it works good. A few things have to be implement, but it works stable by now. The iPad app is in alpha, but I saw it, when I visitied Behringer/Germany few weeks ago. I think it will be out, when the X32 finally hits the street.
And yes, you can use both at the the time. The build in X32 server is multiclient, so you can use more than one App or PC remote and App&PCremote together.
Christian
 
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When you patch an input to a mix channel other than the preconfigured one, will the input gain, phase and phantom be controlled from the mix channel it is patched to? What if two mix channels use the same source, will the controls be disabled on the second mix channel?
 
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From what I am reading, is it fair to say that this is basically the equivalent sound of the Midas Venice hot rodded with a DSP and moving faders?
 
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Per Søvik said:
When you patch an input to a mix channel other than the preconfigured one, will the input gain, phase and phantom be controlled from the mix channel it is patched to? What if two mix channels use the same source, will the controls be disabled on the second mix channel?
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Never tried that, I will check that for you, when I'm back on the desk.
Had a nice summit yesterday and someone always brings a bigger desk:.-)

 
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Dear all,

We are pleased to inform you that while we are shipping the X32 now, we are already working on the next generation software upgrade for the X32 which will include high-end FX “plug-ins” based on physical modeling of classic audio hardware. We are essentially “rebuilding” classic analog gear in the digital domain. Our roadmap includes Neve, SSL, Urei and other well-known products such as the LA-2A compressor, Lexicon reverbs, an SPL De-Esser and the TC Finalizer multiband compressor etc.

We are also working on cutting-edge pitch shifting and pitch correction tools for amazing voice applications.

Those “plug-ins” will be available through simple software upgrades, as the X32 is a living mainframe that allows expansion in multiple dimensions. And the best is, that these upgrades will be for free.

We are very proud that for the first time the X32 Digital Mixer, combined with the S16 Digital Snake and the P16 Personal Monitoring system offers a complete and fully integrated solution both for live and studio applications.
 
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Can you have your software guys code a version that makes the entire X32 sound like a Neve or SSL console? :)

How close do you predict your models will be? A Lexicon reverb copy should be straightforward. To sound the same use the same reverb algorithms. It could actually be harder to cover a cheap spring. Legacy analog gear OTOH can have multiple, subtle non-linear internal relationships that define their signature sounds besides the obvious side-chain rectification, time constants, etc. Given enough computing power and bandwidth anything can be modeled, but what is practical in the context of a free desk plug-in?

The LA-2A for example has numerous moving parts defining it's characteristic sound that will not be trivial to replicate. A common complaint of legacy mimics is that they only cover a few superficial characteristics, not the entire secret sauce. This is not impossible to do, but surely not easy.

I gather from this you have a significant surplus of computing power available to use after meeting the needs of baseline operation? Good luck, at least your software engineers can't say they don't have anything to work on.. :)

JR
 
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Christian Boche said:
Never tried that, I will check that for you, when I'm back on the desk.
Had a nice summit yesterday and someone always brings a bigger desk:.-)
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No hurry, just curious. Personally I would hope to avoid doing too much fancy patching on the inputs, I get confused enough as it is :?~:-?~:???:

Bigger desk, but is it better? :twisted:
 
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Anybody know if it's possible to extend a Digital Snake Ethernet cable between X32 and S16? (passive adapter or active box, router, switch, hub)
If you for example want to connect one 25 meter and one 50 meter cable to have one 75 meter cable.
Anyone tested this on other boards?
 
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Jörgen Gustavsson said:
Anybody know if it's possible to extend a Digital Snake Ethernet cable between X32 and S16? (passive adapter or active box, router, switch, hub)
If you for example want to connect one 25 meter and one 50 meter cable to have one 75 meter cable.
Anyone tested this on other boards?
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AES50 uses Ethernet hardware, so extension can be made with simple couplers, as long as total cable length is within Ethernet spec (100 meters). To extend further, you could use ordinary Ethernet switches or for even greater distance, media converters to multi- or single-mode fiber.

I would consider this a basic question, not trying to be insulting or anything. It is merely the result of some really nice high-end technology showing up in an entry-level product, so users of that class of product may not be familiar with the fancy features.

Once this is released, it is really going to open the eyes of the masses to what digital consoles and digital audio networks can do. I can't wait.
 
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I don't think you can use anything that treats the bit stream as packets, so switches and routers are probably completely out.
Maybe some repeaters and media converters will allow you to transfer the bit stream in a totally transparent manner, I don't know.
 
Per Søvik said:
I don't think you can use anything that treats the bit stream as packets, so switches and routers are probably completely out.
Maybe some repeaters and media converters will allow you to transfer the bit stream in a totally transparent manner, I don't know.
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I stand corrected. Aes50 uses ethernet layer 1 and can not be switched. Next time I'll read the whole wikipedia article before answering :)

Sent from my DROID RAZR
 
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Some AES50 info I have found useful:
http://www.aes-media.org/sections/uk/Conf2011/Presentation_PDFs/07%20-%20Al%20Walker%20-%20Applications%20in%20Live%20Convert%20Sound.pdf

http://www.aesnashville.org/PDFs/supermac.pdf

http://www.supermac-hypermac.com/downloads/articles/Resolution_AES50_Oct_08.pdf

But I still don't understand why some smart guy can't reprogram an ordinary lan-card to provide a free recording interface. I understand that you'll have no clock, but the data should be readable and thus recordable?????
Maybe now that AES50 moves into the (relative) mass-market, devices will materialize. At the moment, by far the cheapest router/repeater/range extender that exist for AES50 is an X32 or a S-16 :razz:
 
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Uli Behringer said:
Dear all,

We are pleased to inform you that while we are shipping the X32 now, we are already working on the next generation software upgrade for the X32 which will include high-end FX “plug-ins” based on physical modeling of classic audio hardware. We are essentially “rebuilding” classic analog gear in the digital domain. Our roadmap includes Neve, SSL, Urei and other well-known products such as the LA-2A compressor, Lexicon reverbs, SPL De-Esser and the TC Finalizer multiband compressor etc.

We are also working on cutting-edge pitch shifting and pitch correction tools for amazing voice applications.

Those “plug-ins” will be available through simple software upgrades, as the X32 is a living mainframe that allows expansion in multiple dimensions. And the best is, that these upgrades will be for free.

We are very proud that for the first time the X32 Digital Mixer, combined with the S16 Digital Snake and the P16 Personal Monitoring system offers a complete solution both for live and studio applications.
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hi Uli
this sounds good.

I notice that the "coming soon" has been removed from your web site - but there is still no manual available to download!- will this be available soon?
Also there were rumours of the devlopment of another interface card to allow multi track recording to a stand alone hard disk - any news on this? Similarily any plans for an adat card?


Nick
 
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Dear Nick,

Thank you for your excellent questions.

The first X32 mixing consoles will reach the stores on or before July 27[SUP]th[/SUP]. However we are heavily backordered and while we are currently shipping several thousand consoles, there won’t be enough to meet all demand. We are trying our best to ramp up production but frankly the immense demand has exceeded all our expectations.

The manual is currently finalized and will be uploaded on our website prior to the arrival of the consoles. Following the PL&S show, we listened to our customers and as a result added several more features. We are now incorporating these in the manual.

We are also working on some amazing expansion cards and tools. As mentioned earlier, the X32 is based on a very powerful and universal technology platform that allows for future upgrades in all dimensions. The console runs on some of the most powerful Analog Device Sharc DSP’s and we deliberately reserved significant DSP capacity for future upgrades and expansion.

Again thanks for the great questions.
 
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Hi Uli, congrats in having the most anticipated product of the decade (with all the stress and headache which that must involve) :thumbup:.
It has certainly been exciting to follow the development for the last few months, reading Christians review and his posts here and sort of getting confirmation that waiting for the X32 was the right choice.

Now for a couple of questions:
Is there an internal expansion slot in the X32, or will any new and exciting stuff have to replace the recording card?
Are the faders field-replaceable? It seems that faders will allways be an issue; from the smallest Yamaha to the largest Digico, occasionally having to replace a fader is the norm.
 
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Per - it is also something I was wondering -as only one expansion slot - which perhaps is a mistake re allowing future expandability of interface features - the other limitation also seems to be the lack of a digital clock interface - even if the X32 cannot act as a master - or perhaps this will be incorporated in a future ( swapable!) interface card - (hopefully the interface slot is plug and play).

Re adat ( perhaps Uli or Christian can answer ) I notice that the S16 has an adat out - I was wondering if there is an option here to take the output either pre or post the pre-amps - might also be nice if the X32 also allowed an option to take direct outs pre gain to act as mic splitter

These are just wish niggles - otherwise seems a great product - apparently the review in SOS found it difficult to find the "cons"!!!!!!

Nick
 
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I have heard from friends who work at behringer that they are now working on a ipad controlled digital mixer like the Presonus 1642 for around 500 euro street price but with programmable mic pres and other good features.

Juergen
 
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