New Midas M32 Console

Re: New Midas M32 Console

I would like to thank many of the posters to this forum, especially John Roberts, for their input and kind words of support. I'm an engineer, not a marketeer, and my words were intended as a true reflection of the development of the M32 console, I hope they are taken as such.

Just to clear up a few points:-


The Midas PRO Fader is fitted as standard to all PRO series consoles, from PRO1 to the new flagship PRO X. We use the exact same fader design on M32 with only a slight difference in the mounting bracket. We've put a video where we describe the development of the PRO Fader, I hope this will help explain our motives for creating our own motorised PRO Fader.


The X32 microphone preamplifiers were designed by our Manchester team, so the 'Designed by Midas' description is correct. The M32 audio input and output circuit designs are different from the X32 and the exact same ones from the PRO1, PRO2 and PRO2C consoles and the DL251 and DL252 stage boxes. I'm sure someone will take it upon themselves to compare the PCB assemblies when M32 hits the market, I'll save you the trouble - they are the same circuit designs. For information, the preamplifier in the Behringer ADA8200 (but not the ADA8000) is identical to the original Midas Venice, so the Midas branding on the product artwork is equally true.

People might ask what Bentley or other high-performance cars have to do with our mixing console design. Initially we were of the same opinion but during the industrial design process we learned a lot about structural design and material science. We learnt how to achieve maximum rigidness while employing lightweight materials such as aluminium and carbon fibre.

We wanted to use carbon fibre because it is extremely durable, rigid and lightweight, but it also has an excellent touch and feel which we felt was important for the armrest section. We are the first company to use carbon fibre in a mixing console. The manufacturing process is very complex as it requires very high temperatures and extensive manual processing. Our biggest challenge was to simultaneously "bake" carbon fibre in conjunction with an aluminium core, which means processing two materials with very different temperature coefficients. This is an expensive process that is used in the automotive industry and in particular related to high performance cars where rigidness and weight are critical.

We've actually had quite a lot of new product activity with Klark Teknik recently, focussing on our AES50 networking technology to meet the requests of customers who have come up against the physical distance limits of Ethernet technology. The DN9610 AES50 Repeater and the DN9620 and DN9680 AES50 Extenders are all new products, you can read more about them on our website.

Whilst I am not going to divulge details of current development projects, any suggestions that we would let a brand which such a great heritage go by the wayside are unfounded. For everyone's interest, we recently completed a very extensive history project to document the heritage of our valuable Midas, Klark Teknik and Turbosound brands.

Whilst there have been some comments about the Music Group and its impact on Midas, Klark Teknik and Turbosound, all I can say is that we are grateful for the very large financial investment that has been made in our Professional Division with a new dedicated R&D building in Manchester and an increase from our original team of eight engineers there to the over 70 research and development staff we have now. Trust me, I would have wished for this kind of resource when I was designing products such as the DN9848 loudspeaker processor, the DN9340 and DN9344 Helix digital equalisers and the DN370 graphic equaliser a decade or so ago!

Kind regards,


Al Walker

Senior Engineer, Systems

MUSIC Group

 
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New Midas M32 Console

I completely agree with you samuel. if using good converters, digital mixers do not have a 'sound' except for the effects. what is important is workflow and features.. i am sure helge only likes yamaha and roland, the brands he is a dealer.. i always think it is unprofessional to make negative comments about the competition.. sorry just my opinion

My current list of consoles I prefer:

1st choice
Digico SD-series
Midas Pro series

2nd choice
Soundcraft Vi-series
Yamaha consoles, LS9 and above

Consoles I don't like due to sound quality issues
X-32

Consoles I either haven't tried enough to form an opinion about, think they miss some SQ so I prefer something else or don't like for personal, non-sound related issues
The rest.

:)




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I am not questioning your judgement - but what are the issues you have identified with the x32 "sound quality?

My question as well. I've had enough hearing damage and age-related hearing loss that I'm certainly not a 'golden ears' listener, but after having DigiCo, Avid and X32 all directly driving one of our VerTec rigs in the same venue on the same night, I didn't hear anything (good or bad) that I could attribute to the consoles themselves.

I bought an X32 as tool for my free lance work and so far I've not been disappointed. I wanted to hate it. I wanted it to suck so I could say "yeah, I was right about Berry." Are there better mixers? Sure. Are there worse? Most certainly. But my estimation is that the X32 represents the same level of SQ that $15,000-worth of analog mixing and outboard processing has, and much more of it, too.
 
Re: New Midas M32 Console

I would like to thank many of the posters to this forum, especially John Roberts, for their input and kind words of support. I'm an engineer, not a marketeer, and my words were intended as a true reflection of the development of the M32 console, I hope they are taken as such.

Just to clear up a few points:-


The Midas PRO Fader is fitted as standard to all PRO series consoles, from PRO1 to the new flagship PRO X. We use the exact same fader design on M32 with only a slight difference in the mounting bracket. We've put a video where we describe the development of the PRO Fader, I hope this will help explain our motives for creating our own motorised PRO Fader.


The X32 microphone preamplifiers were designed by our Manchester team, so the 'Designed by Midas' description is correct. The M32 audio input and output circuit designs are different from the X32 and the exact same ones from the PRO1, PRO2 and PRO2C consoles and the DL251 and DL252 stage boxes. I'm sure someone will take it upon themselves to compare the PCB assemblies when M32 hits the market, I'll save you the trouble - they are the same circuit designs. For information, the preamplifier in the Behringer ADA8200 (but not the ADA8000) is identical to the original Midas Venice, so the Midas branding on the product artwork is equally true.

People might ask what Bentley or other high-performance cars have to do with our mixing console design. Initially we were of the same opinion but during the industrial design process we learned a lot about structural design and material science. We learnt how to achieve maximum rigidness while employing lightweight materials such as aluminium and carbon fibre.

We wanted to use carbon fibre because it is extremely durable, rigid and lightweight, but it also has an excellent touch and feel which we felt was important for the armrest section. We are the first company to use carbon fibre in a mixing console. The manufacturing process is very complex as it requires very high temperatures and extensive manual processing. Our biggest challenge was to simultaneously "bake" carbon fibre in conjunction with an aluminium core, which means processing two materials with very different temperature coefficients. This is an expensive process that is used in the automotive industry and in particular related to high performance cars where rigidness and weight are critical.

We've actually had quite a lot of new product activity with Klark Teknik recently, focussing on our AES50 networking technology to meet the requests of customers who have come up against the physical distance limits of Ethernet technology. The DN9610 AES50 Repeater and the DN9620 and DN9680 AES50 Extenders are all new products, you can read more about them on our website.

Whilst I am not going to divulge details of current development projects, any suggestions that we would let a brand which such a great heritage go by the wayside are unfounded. For everyone's interest, we recently completed a very extensive history project to document the heritage of our valuable Midas, Klark Teknik and Turbosound brands.

Whilst there have been some comments about the Music Group and its impact on Midas, Klark Teknik and Turbosound, all I can say is that we are grateful for the very large financial investment that has been made in our Professional Division with a new dedicated R&D building in Manchester and an increase from our original team of eight engineers there to the over 70 research and development staff we have now. Trust me, I would have wished for this kind of resource when I was designing products such as the DN9848 loudspeaker processor, the DN9340 and DN9344 Helix digital equalisers and the DN370 graphic equaliser a decade or so ago!

Kind regards,


Al Walker

Senior Engineer, Systems

MUSIC Group


Thanks for commenting on these issues directly, Mr. Walker. Much appreciated. One of my venues has an M32 on preorder!
 
Re: New Midas M32 Console

I would like to thank many of the posters to this forum, especially John Roberts, for their input and kind words of support. I'm an engineer, not a marketeer, and my words were intended as a true reflection of the development of the M32 console, I hope they are taken as such.

Just to clear up a few points:-


The Midas PRO Fader is fitted as standard to all PRO series consoles, from PRO1 to the new flagship PRO X. We use the exact same fader design on M32 with only a slight difference in the mounting bracket. We've put a video where we describe the development of the PRO Fader, I hope this will help explain our motives for creating our own motorised PRO Fader.


The X32 microphone preamplifiers were designed by our Manchester team, so the 'Designed by Midas' description is correct. The M32 audio input and output circuit designs are different from the X32 and the exact same ones from the PRO1, PRO2 and PRO2C consoles and the DL251 and DL252 stage boxes. I'm sure someone will take it upon themselves to compare the PCB assemblies when M32 hits the market, I'll save you the trouble - they are the same circuit designs. For information, the preamplifier in the Behringer ADA8200 (but not the ADA8000) is identical to the original Midas Venice, so the Midas branding on the product artwork is equally true.

People might ask what Bentley or other high-performance cars have to do with our mixing console design. Initially we were of the same opinion but during the industrial design process we learned a lot about structural design and material science. We learnt how to achieve maximum rigidness while employing lightweight materials such as aluminium and carbon fibre.

We wanted to use carbon fibre because it is extremely durable, rigid and lightweight, but it also has an excellent touch and feel which we felt was important for the armrest section. We are the first company to use carbon fibre in a mixing console. The manufacturing process is very complex as it requires very high temperatures and extensive manual processing. Our biggest challenge was to simultaneously "bake" carbon fibre in conjunction with an aluminium core, which means processing two materials with very different temperature coefficients. This is an expensive process that is used in the automotive industry and in particular related to high performance cars where rigidness and weight are critical.

We've actually had quite a lot of new product activity with Klark Teknik recently, focussing on our AES50 networking technology to meet the requests of customers who have come up against the physical distance limits of Ethernet technology. The DN9610 AES50 Repeater and the DN9620 and DN9680 AES50 Extenders are all new products, you can read more about them on our website.

Whilst I am not going to divulge details of current development projects, any suggestions that we would let a brand which such a great heritage go by the wayside are unfounded. For everyone's interest, we recently completed a very extensive history project to document the heritage of our valuable Midas, Klark Teknik and Turbosound brands.

Whilst there have been some comments about the Music Group and its impact on Midas, Klark Teknik and Turbosound, all I can say is that we are grateful for the very large financial investment that has been made in our Professional Division with a new dedicated R&D building in Manchester and an increase from our original team of eight engineers there to the over 70 research and development staff we have now. Trust me, I would have wished for this kind of resource when I was designing products such as the DN9848 loudspeaker processor, the DN9340 and DN9344 Helix digital equalisers and the DN370 graphic equaliser a decade or so ago!

Kind regards,


Al Walker

Senior Engineer, Systems

MUSIC Group



I assume that the cue/scene/snippet behavior will be the same in the M32 as in the X32. I would have liked to see a major improvement in that area more geared toward theatrical use.

You mention carbon fiber and aluminum while in theory that sounds great I hope you are aware and have built it without the 2 touching each other. There are problems with the 2 coexisting. This was brought to my attention when I was talking to a person that worked with carbon fiber in some very expensive things (think many $$$,$$$,$$$.00 each) and I mentioned a car that used both and he told me all about the problems with doing that. Carbon fiber can induce galvanic corrosion in aluminum.
 
Re: New Midas M32 Console

So here we go,
The copied turns copier and copies the copier :lol:
Cute, but it's just bidness... GM doesn't engineer a different motor and transmission for Buick, and pontiac, and Oldsmobile, and Chevy. Nor did Ford , for Mercury, Lincoln, Ford etc... they even put a variant ford V8 motor into a Jaguar.

It is just good practice for a large company when developing a major technology platform to anticipate line extension (different models using same technology), and using the platform with different badges (Similar products sold through different dealers to different customers).

OF course you still have to do things like use different tires (faders) on them, and different fenders (packaging).

Since the main difference between value and premium products is feature content, hopefully they will find some extra features to throw into the premium version.

JR
 
Re: New Midas M32 Console

I would like to thank many of the posters to this forum, especially John Roberts, for their input and kind words of support. I'm an engineer, not a marketeer, and my words were intended as a true reflection of the development of the M32 console, I hope they are taken as such.
Tnx for taking your valuable time to post here!

Could you possibly put an end on the speculations of how the m32 actually differs from the x32 now that the m32 is finalized(?)?

We already know about the rebuilt analog i/o, faders and the cool design. However, what about the rest? Is there more dsp-power in the m32, is the fpga upgraded to that advantage of more routing possibilities, are the x32 and m32 eco-system compatible with each other, different firmware, etc.....

I also noticed that the usb-remote seems to be present on the m32. Does this mean that there is a future for it?
 
Re: New Midas M32 Console

My current list of consoles I prefer:

1st choice
Digico SD-series
Midas Pro series

2nd choice
Soundcraft Vi-series
Yamaha consoles, LS9 and above

Consoles I don't like due to sound quality issues
X-32

Really? Cause I have a LS9 and it stays at home all the time now. I only ever have to use it when someone gets snooty about the name on the board to feel good about themselves.
I do not like the sound quality of the X32 compared to the LS9 either, cause it reminds me of how much more I paid for the LS9 when I could have had 3 of something that sounds far better.
 
Re: New Midas M32 Console

My current list of consoles I prefer:

1st choice
Digico SD-series
Midas Pro series

2nd choice
Soundcraft Vi-series
Yamaha consoles, LS9 and above

Consoles I don't like due to sound quality issues
X-32

Consoles I either haven't tried enough to form an opinion about, think they miss some SQ so I prefer something else or don't like for personal, non-sound related issues
The rest.

Amazing how you second favorite console is the Midas pro series, but you've got an awful lot to complain about a desk with the same preamps, faders, and converters made by the same company :)
 
Re: New Midas M32 Console

Thank You Al Walker - Just as we have come to expect from Midas, a class act all the way.
It is amazing how the design takes all the same controls and presents them in more beautiful expression.

I love the way the M32 looks. Would you please sell the case and button set so we can upgrade our X's? Please?
 
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Amazing how you second favorite console is the Midas pro series, but you've got an awful lot to complain about a desk with the same preamps, faders, and converters made by the same company :)

Preamp, faders and converters are only a part of a mixing desk, we're talking about a complete system here. I haven't been able to listen exclusive to a preamp in any digital console, and the whole debate died on my part after I did some testing years back on a LS9 with external preamps/converters. Didn't notice any serious SQ difference against external gear of reasonable quality.

Now, if I connect a microphone to a SD or a Pro-series console, it just plain sounds better than the competition. I have no idea why, but the talent on stage tells me the same thing even when they don't have a clue about what I'm mixing on. I'd like to believe that the difference between digital consoles is tiny. I firmly believe that digital technology has moved us forwards, but I also maintain that there are differences. Why do a simple XO in my Lake LM26 sound so much better than one in a TC XO24? And how do they sound when their limiters kick in?

Have Lake, Digico and Midas put something magical inside their boxes, do they design their stuff at a higher standard or do they add a certain flavor to their sound that I prefer? I don't know, I honestly can't tell you why, but I do know I prefer their stuff.

Plugging a mic into a X32 gives me none of that. It makes me think of a Spirit LX7ii. I really don't like it.
 
Re: New Midas M32 Console

This answer by Al makes me want to wait for the M32... But how much longer? Any idea you can share Al? :(~:-(~:sad: If the exchange rate goes up any more....


I would like to thank many of the posters to this forum, especially John Roberts, for their input and kind words of support. I'm an engineer, not a marketeer, and my words were intended as a true reflection of the development of the M32 console, I hope they are taken as such.
I would have wished for this kind of resource when I was designing products such as the DN9848 loudspeaker processor, the DN9340 and DN9344 Helix digital equalisers and the DN370 graphic equaliser a decade or so ago!

Kind regards,


Al Walker

Senior Engineer, Systems

MUSIC Group

 
Re: New Midas M32 Console

This answer by Al makes me want to wait for the M32... But how much longer? Any idea you can share Al? :(~:-(~:sad: If the exchange rate goes up any more....


hi Pierre the last I managed to get from chase mcknight (think thats his name) from Midas on here was that the desk would be released June/ July having spoken to my supplier today they have spoken to Midas today and they still don't have a defined dates but they have said to me that they have a meeting with Midas sales dept beginning of next month and there aim is to get a defined date from them.
I dont think your gonna get any more info from them than June/ July i have one on preorder and I cant get a defined date from them.
Regards
Sam
 
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hi Pierre the last I managed to get from chase mcknight (think thats his name) from Midas on here was that the desk would be released June/ July having spoken to my supplier today they have spoken to Midas today and they still don't have a defined dates but they have said to me that they have a meeting with Midas sales dept beginning of next month and there aim is to get a defined date from them.
I dont think your gonna get any more info from them than June/ July i have one on preorder and I cant get a defined date from them.
Regards
Sam

The expected shipping date here in the US is 8/15