New Midas M32 Console

Re: New Midas M32 Console

Uli Behringer said:
We actually went the extra mile to design our own high-end AD converter. It's an 8-channel, 192 kHz silicon that will be branded Midas M8000. While it is a substantial investment indeed, we felt it was worth it as we are achieving better results than with the CS5368 from Cirrus.
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Must be nice... Last time I looked at tooling up a full custom IC it was impractical (for me).

Cirrus sells a two-channel converter (CS5381) that specs 120dB dynamic range and -110 dB thd+N so almost a full 6 dB improvement over the 5368. I guess they don't have any immediate plans plans to offer an 8 channel version?
To confirm once more, the M32 preamp is identical to the Midas Pro Series. It switches in 2.5 dB steps - the rest is digital trim. The output section is also identical and the German magazine Professional Partner measured a 10 dB better signal-to-noise ratio compared to the X32.
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Merry Christmas...

JR
 
Re: Not A Pleasant First Outing with the M32

Dear Chase,

Any update on this? I still cannot find M32-CUE and it has been almost four months since you posted this.


Chase McKnight said:
Dear Bob,

Unfortunately X32-Q does not work with the M32. M32-CUE is in the final stages of development and will be released shortly. It will be available for download from our website as soon as it's ready. I'll also post an announcement here and on our social media sites.

Regarding the faders – by chance were you running different scenes and had a Channel / Parameter Safe selected or a Scene Safe engaged? I'd be happy to take a look at your show file or help you out however I can.

Best,
Chase McKnight
Specialist, Channel Marketing
MUSIC Group
MIDAS
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Re: Not A Pleasant First Outing with the M32

Dear Janne,

Right now the M32-CUE app is in development and its release continues to be a high priority. As soon as its available I will inform you and the rest of the community.

Kind regards,
Chase McKnight
Specialist, Experience Engagement
MUSIC Group
MIDAS
 
Re: Not A Pleasant First Outing with the M32

Chase McKnight said:
Dear Janne,

Right now the M32-CUE app is in development and its release continues to be a high priority. As soon as its available I will inform you and the rest of the community.

Kind regards,
Chase McKnight
Specialist, Experience Engagement
MUSIC Group
MIDAS
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I thought the firmware in the M32 was essentially the same as the x32 thus why does the x32 Q app not work or only need minor handshaking changes to work with the M32?
 
Re: Not A Pleasant First Outing with the M32

Liliya Gainoutdinova said:
Hello all!
Did someone try to connect 2 or 3 DL16 in cascade mode? it's interesting how to set them properly.
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Just set them to mode 1,2, and 3, starting with the closest one to the desk, then that one will have inputs 1-16 and outputs 1-8, the next one will have input 17-32 and output 9-16 and the last one will have input 33-48 and output 17-24.
 
M32 For STUDIO use

Hi,
I am knew to this forum and I only found out via a link posted on another audio-related forum when searching for more info related to the Midas M32.

I did browse through the 50 pages here :) and I can see some of you had hands on experience with the M32. I also see some Midas people posted some useful replies which is great. Because of this I hope I could post my questions below with the hope that some of you with experience/knowledge of the M32 and maybe Midas people could give me some answers.

I am considering ordering an M32 but I have a few doubts (lack of knowledge) I need to clarify first

I am considering the Midas M32 as a Console/Interface solution for my home studio.
NOTE: In may case the primary use is NOT a FOH setup but I would be using the M32 to:

  • Have my hardware synths connected
  • Have the option to record one live instrument at the time if needed, maybe 2 at the same time max, a drum set at times. This use for tracking/recording live instruments would not be frequent.
  • Have the option to take my setup outside if I ever decide to perform a gig with the advantage of using the same console for live use or rent the exact same one therefore being familiar with it. Again this would be not a primary concern but a nice option to have.

My expectations

  1. Have all my hardware sound-sources permanently connected to the M32. Let’s say 20 Inputs
  2. Have some of the 14 Outputs on the M32 (15/16 carry Main Stereo but probably this can be changed in the settings) permanently connected to Mono or
    Stereo Inputs of a couple of my Synths featuring Input to process audio with analogue filters… This is to for example send the Output of a digital synth to M32 Input-1 then route this channel to M32 Output11 which connects to the Input on an analogue synth which in turn is already connected to M32 Input 2.
  3. For point 2 above I assume I can set any M32 Input to go to any M32 Output
  4. Each of the M32 32 mixing channels has dedicated individual channel strip digital EQ/Compressor/Gate… Confused here because specs say: “Internal Effects Engines (True Stereo / Mono) = 16”. So does it have 16 channels strips each with EQ/Comp/gate or 32? Maybe 32 as in 16 stereo?
    I think it does have EQ/Comp/Gate on each of the 32 channels and the 16 Effects Engines refers to the actual Effects like Chorus/Reverb/Virtual Pultec EQP-1a, etc…
  5. Effects Engines: In the spec-tables it says 16 as per point 4 above. On the website list of main features it says: “8 stereo signal processing effects engines”. Which one is it? 16 or 8 or is it 16 plus 8 of a different type?
  6. EQ on each channel- Is this the same digital EQ as implemented on the Midas Pro consoles? Or is it a different code maybe just the same as in the X32?
  7. Monitor Control Room: I can see that there is no Sub Bass management, that means I would need to use Left/Right into my Sub which then has Left and Right outs and Sub Freq Settings.
    - But the M32 Monitor Control Room Out has both Jack and XLR sets of outs… Can I have a different mix for each set of outputs or are they identical?
  8. Is any of you using the M32 in a studio and using the built in Monitor Control Room Out? Is it good? or would you still buy a dedicated Monitor Control Solution?
  9. Standard 32 x 32 channel USB 2.0 audio interface. Has anyone been using this with a MAC PRO and/or MacBookPro running Logic Pro X? Any problem?
  10. DAW remote control emulations (Makie/HUI) - How well does it work with Logic Pro X? Any problem?
  11. Assign Section. 36 fully customizable controls on three layers. Can you set any of these custom-controls to control anything at all in your DAW/Plugins? Or are these only to control M32's own parameters? (still good even if just for the M32 of course)
  12. 32 x 32 channel USB 2.0 audio interface. I assume that on the M32 I can choose which M32 Channel Strip Input is receiving audio signal from an Hardware Synth and which M32 Channel Strip Input is receiving audio signal from a Logic Channel (Plug In Synth / Audio File)
  13. Industry-Leading design by Bentley Motors Designer. I assume the packaging will include a cast iron Bentley Badge to use as paper weight. :)
  14. 25 time-aligned and phase-coherent mix buses. Is this the same feature are described and implemented for the Midas Pro series?
    Midas Pro phase coherent description: “…compensation for additional A/D & D/A conversions required when connecting external analogue inserts. This means that all audio samples are synchronised before summing, resulting in absolute phase coherency at all outputs.”
  15. 192 Khz ADC/DAC + Midas Pro Preamps + standard 32x32 USB 2.0 Audio Interface.
    Are you happy in a studio environment (not live FOH use) with the quality of tracking/recording/monitoring you can achieve with the M32 on its own? or do you still feel the need to use alterative interfaces like Apogee Symphony or the more affordable Antelope Orion 32?
    - This would be for all sort of genres, from electronic music genres to Computer Based orchestral soundtracks to hardware synths, some live instrument, voice, drums…
  16. It was pointed out that the M32’s fan is located on the bottom of the desk, and the need to ensue there is sufficient space underneath to allow for some airflow. Does the console come with built in ‘feet’ so that it has some bottom-clearance when placed on a normal office Desk? Or does it need empty space underneath somehow.
  17. M32’s cooling fan. Is it too noisy for studio use?
  18. In terms of what defines the final audio quality/midas sound, is the 96Khz of the Midas Pro the only/main difference between a Midas Pro 1 and an M32 (48Khz)?
    Or
    Do Midas Pro series consoles run on more powerful processors and run more advanced and processor-intensive software, higher quality EQ/Effects/Dynamics… ?

    Of course like many I looked at the Pro1 and Pro 2. The Pro2 is way out of budget for my needs. The Pro1 would need at least an additional Input Box to get close to the 32 Inputs I want/M32 offers (assuming I don’t want to use patch-bay)… therefore the Pro1 + Input Box would again be out of budget for my needs…

THANK YOU VERY MUCH if you had the time to look even at only some of my questions!!!
 
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Re: M32 For STUDIO use

As the m32 is a x32 in a nice suite and that there are many studio users currently using the x32 I'd think that you'd get more related answers than the current m32 user base can give you.

1). There are only 6 trs inputs on the m32 so you'll need some trs-->xlr cables. However the recommended method is to use DI-boxes for several reasons.

2). All 16 outputs are user assignable. There are some limitations but your listed case should work just fine.

3). More or less. There are some small restrictions, but they are in general managble. The restriction lies in the xlr outputs as they are sourced from different i/o sources in blocks of 4.

4). The channel strip is not the same as the internal fx. Think of the 8/16 internal fx as some fx rack. All channels have a processing channel strip. Even the buses.

5). You have 8 fx slots, i.e. 8 stereo fx. However, many fx can be dual mono thus giving you a total of 16 mono fx.

6). Don't know if they are the same. However the peq has two modes for each bp - peq and veq. Veq has more of a characteristic like the british consoles and the peq is more modern.

7). I'm not sure what you mean by sub bass management, but you have a mono bus that can be linked to the l/r-bus but still provide separate processing and signals.

8). That really depends on your workflow. I find it working quite well for the normal soloing stuff and similar stuff. One drawback is that the solo bus has no processing like some eq'ing so this needs to be outboard gear if you need processing before your monitors.

9). Not with logic but reaper and studioone. The m32 is coreaudio compliant and should therefor work with any daw on the mac.

10). Don't know about logic but works good in other daw's.

11). You can set them up for several tasks including mackie mcu controls. Download the m32 computer application to get a grasp of its full implementation of midi control.

12). With some limitations. The input blocks are selected in blocks of 8 but they are fully assignable. While this may sound limiting it can usually always be worked around if one plan ahead.

13). If you place some papers under the m32 I'll guarantee that they'll not blow away...

14). None of the inserts are latency compensated.

15). While I can't hear any obvious flaws, I'm sure that there are other that can...

16). It has sturdy rubber feet.

17). The x32 is quiet enough. Don't know about the m32.

18). No clue...
 
Re: M32 For STUDIO use

Robert Lofgren said:
1). There are only 6 trs inputs on the m32 so you'll need some trs-->xlr cables. However the recommended method is to use DI-boxes for several reasons.

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THANK YOU so much Robert for your time.
Your answers are helping me forming a better idea of how this could work for me.
Yes I understand when you mention" work arounds/planning ahead" on the inputs/outs and assigning Ins to Outs, block of 8 etc.. Thanks that helps
I downloaded the manual, and your answers will make it an easier read as well.

Abut Bass management I was referring to separate out for Sub Woofer, then Left-Right outs...
And yes of course it does not have 5.1 system/outs

Thank you
 
Re: M32 For STUDIO use

Tiziano Cirillo said:
THANK YOU so much Robert for your time.
Your answers are helping me forming a better idea of how this could work for me.
Yes I understand when you mention" work arounds/planning ahead" on the inputs/outs and assigning Ins to Outs, block of 8 etc.. Thanks that helps
I downloaded the manual, and your answers will make it an easier read as well.
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Don't forget to check out the x-edit application that also works as a standalone offline editor.

About Bass management I was referring to separate out for Sub Woofer, then Left-Right outs...
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Then the mono bus ought to be your friend for this task.

Good Luck!
 
Re: M32 For STUDIO use

I downloaded the iPad App, I didn't think about x-edit, good suggestion thanks

mono bus for the sub woofer? oh ok I'll look at that thanks
 
Re: M32 For STUDIO use

Tiziano Cirillo said:
mono bus for the sub woofer? oh ok I'll look at that thanks
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There are six Matrix paths too, which can be fed from any combination of LR, MONO and Buses. They have (IIRC) six-band EQ and processing, and are intended specifically for speaker feeds. For a sub send, I'd set up three Matrices, two linked as Left/Right, and the third as Mono Sub, do the sub EQ in the latter, and just route LR to all three. You can also route Buses to them if you want to send something specifically to the sub output rather than it just getting a frequency range.
 
Re: M32 For STUDIO use

ok, so M32 and X32 having same firmware and running the same software yes I got it... they do the same things, it is reasonable to assume if one works the other should. Ok thanks :)
 
Re: M32 For STUDIO use

We captured a short video on NAMM about M32R. It has a great feature - you can grant any bank of 8 to any fader group, by clicking 2 buttons same time. Shown at the end.

 
Re: M32 For STUDIO use

Bormo Glot said:
We captured a short video on NAMM about M32R. It has a great feature - you can grant any bank of 8 to any fader group, by clicking 2 buttons same time. Shown at the end.
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Now if it were any faders I.e POP groups that would be great.....but it isn't!
You need the unofficial Android app for that (presume will work with the M versions of the X!)
 
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