Speaker on Stick build with large budget

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Jack Arnott said:
..... a BMS 4594 coaxial 1.4" mid/high driver, on a large horn, crossed over at 400hz, ......
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Jack - that configuration makes sense to me - how does it sound?? Needless to say, you and Jeff Permanian have been talking to each other over the last couple years uh?

Regards,
Neale
 
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Matt Vivlamore said:
After working a fairly large gig last weekend (rig consisted of Nexo GeoS8, CD12 & PS10 & PS15 powered with the NX4x4 amps), I got the ideal of building a smaller yet powerful Speaker on a Stick rig. Yes I know of the saying that you can only pick two: small/light weight, louder/Sound Quality, OR cheaper/cost effective. But I am not too worried about cost.

I am working mainly corporate parties and weddings. The average crowd size that I supply the sound for is 200-400 people, with the speakers focused on the dance floor. Any crowd over 600, the Client is going to hire in Production (mainly racks & stack) but if not, the Agency/Band gives me a larger budget to work with on these shows so that I can rent gear as needed.

The Ballrooms we are in are decent size space with 3500-7500 Sq Ft, with the rooms ranging from the 65’x40’ up to 110’x60’.

The band is a 6 to 10 pieces playing everything from Jazz to Current Top 40.

The Other Agency band is running the Nexo PS15 & LS1200 and Analog controller with Camco & Gruppen power amps.


So what would your ideal/killer Speaker On Stick rig be to cover these situations?
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KF394NT - eaw

SB2001 - eaw

The picture is what we do occasionally - 2 x DVA T12s on a specially made stand and a 3600/7200 w double 18 driven by a powersoft K10. We also use 3 x T8s or 1 x T8 with a T12 on top. (Yes I know its not a proper line array length ... but it works!)
 

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Re: Speaker on Stick build with large budget

Could someone PM me the MSRP (and sell price if you're a dealer) of the FA22ac. This looks like a promising box for an upcoming series of shows. A google search doesn't bring up much.
 
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Business guy answer as opposed to a sound guy answer. Sound quality & cost take a back seat to scalability and efficiency . I don't buy anything that I may need more of if I can't get more of them in less than an hours drive. Unless you almost NEVER cross rent speakers for larger work ( and anyone who doesn't is doing this as a hobby rather than a business ) I would suggest finding out what at least two other vendors nearby have lots of and buy some of those.
 
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Neale Watson said:
Jack - that configuration makes sense to me - how does it sound?? Needless to say, you and Jeff Permanian have been talking to each other over the last couple years uh?

Regards,
Neale
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I believe the EAW KF394NT I suggested uses the BMS 4594 coaxial 1.4" mid/high driver and 2 x 10s, its a bit like a Q7 on steroids - Gunness focued it sounds great and goes loud.
 
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Riley Casey said:
Unless you almost NEVER cross rent speakers for larger work ( and anyone who doesn't is doing this as a hobby rather than a business ) I would suggest finding out what at least two other vendors nearby have lots of and buy some of those.
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Lol!!! Around my area no one cross rents to other local vendors. No ones gear matches. I agree a different arrangement would benefit everyone of the 20+ "providers" in our tiny market. The only thing I have ever cross rented was cable ramps.
 
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Q7 over Qsub is definitely by far the best sos setup I've ever heard. I don't think there are any systems that can beat it.
 
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I think it's great that three long term, credible contributors to this forum have been prepared to stick their necks out and effectively provide an "answer" to the OP question ... . so, Matt, go spend some money! Pick any one that fits your requirements re weight, powering, coverage and cross-renting ... ignoring cost of course :).


Silas Pradetto said:
The loudest thing I've ever heard that could be pole mounted was the Fulcrum DX1295. They have a portable version now - FA22ac - with Powersoft power. Expensive, but worth every penny. Insanely loud, and sounds amazing.
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Peter Morris said:
I believe the EAW KF394NT I suggested uses the BMS 4594 coaxial 1.4" mid/high driver and 2 x 10s, its a bit like a Q7 on steroids - Gunness focued it sound great and goes loud.
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Per Søvik said:
Q7 over Qsub is definitely by far the best sos setup I've ever heard. I don't think there are any systems that can beat it.
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Per Søvik said:
M1 over Q-sub ;)~;-)~:wink:
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Or this.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cvt0selt2utwoib/2012-12-03 12.30.56.jpg



I miss those, they are sweet. But I could not justify owning them any more since 95% of my work is on other peoples gear.

I´m fortunate enough to have access to a couple of JBL VP7212 rigs and a EAW KF394 rig. Nice setups. For some reason there are not that many setups of them around in Norway, I´ve done several good jobs on them.
 
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andrew gissing said:
M1 ? Do you mean d+b M2 ?

Andrew
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Sorry, yes I was indeed thinking of the M2. Unfortunately it hasn't got a stick receptacle, but I think there is a rail that can be used. We're probably talking J-Sub to get a system with some resemblance of balance if it is to be one over one per side.

Still, Q7 over Q-sub is on top of my wish list.
 
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Helge Dr. Bentsen said:
Or this.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cvt0selt2utwoib/2012-12-03 12.30.56.jpg

I miss those, they are sweet. But I could not justify owning them any more since 95% of my work is on other peoples gear.
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Yeah, suspected as much :D~:-D~:grin:

I´m fortunate enough to have access to a couple of JBL VP7212 rigs and a EAW KF394 rig. Nice setups. For some reason there are not that many setups of them around in Norway, I´ve done several good jobs on them.
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You don't see the VPs for sale often either, which tends to be a good indicator, and they are no.2 on my wishlist. Haven't heard them that often though, but they haven't got that pin-point stereo field accuracy that the Q7 have (in that respect I would compare them to audiophile speakers in the same price range)
 
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Per Søvik said:
Sorry, yes I was indeed thinking of the M2. Unfortunately it hasn't got a stick receptacle, but I think there is a rail that can be used. We're probably talking J-Sub to get a system with some resemblance of balance if it is to be one over one per side.

Still, Q7 over Q-sub is on top of my wish list.
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What about the M4 over Q-sub? With the Q7, you need to run the additional U-bracket with Pole-Cup adapter.
 
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Matt Vivlamore said:
What about the M4 over Q-sub? With the Q7, you need to run the additional U-bracket with Pole-Cup adapter.
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M4 over Q-sub seems to be quite popular and practical in many ways since it opens up more multi usage scenarios. I haven't heard it in a setting where I could judge the accuracy, but from what little I have been able to listen (once in a questionable acoustic setting), it surely is a competent setup.
 
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