Speaker on Stick build with large budget

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Dave Barnett said:
Kind of pricey for a wedge isn't it?
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As a stage wedge, I can safely say that you will never run out of head room...

If you price out 2 Pro Wedges/Small Mains and Pro Amp/DSP package (match'd and spec'd properly). you are at the same price point if not saving a few bucks. A good example is the Nexo PS15 (x2) & NX-Amp4x1 package prices out around $8k-12k (street). If you switch the NX4x1 to a NX4x4 and add 2 subs you at $20k-24K package.
 
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For high-end ballroom shows, I wouldn't rule out EAW JFL213's with a UX8800 or UX3600 processor. They are EAW's answer to JBL's VRX. They are a 110x15 fixed angle vertical tangent array. 2 per side would be a good start. I own both VRX's and the JFL213's predecessor, JFL210's. IMO, The EAW's sound much nicer.

-JP
 
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Peter Morris said:
Hi John,

How do the JFL213's compare to the JFL210's in terms of sound quality and output?

Thanks
Peter
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Peter,
I haven't heard the JFL213's yet but am very interested in doing so. My opinion was derived from my experiences with VRX and the JFL210's. We have a handful of production companies here in the Boston area that have 210's. The techs that use them love them.

JP
 
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Tim Padrick said:
Anyone played with the DSR112? I'm told that 'it's not your father's Yamaha'.
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I have. We compared the DSR112, DSR115, K12. We chose the DSR115 for a small portable system with subs. They all sound good, but both the DSR were best and I don't need/want the "mini mixer" thing to confuse or get messed up, and didn't need the wedge angle. I actually prefer the Meyer way with no knobs. DSR115 had a few more dB than the DSR112/K12. The 15 has a bigger horn too which sounded smoother and more control. I really like Fulcrum, but it is in another level of price/performance.
 
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Matt Vivlamore said:
After working a fairly large gig last weekend (rig consisted of Nexo GeoS8, CD12 & PS10 & PS15 powered with the NX4x4 amps), I got the ideal of building a smaller yet powerful Speaker on a Stick rig. Yes I know of the saying that you can only pick two: small/light weight, louder/Sound Quality, OR cheaper/cost effective. But I am not too worried about cost.

I am working mainly corporate parties and weddings. The average crowd size that I supply the sound for is 200-400 people, with the speakers focused on the dance floor. Any crowd over 600, the Client is going to hire in Production (mainly racks & stack) but if not, the Agency/Band gives me a larger budget to work with on these shows so that I can rent gear as needed.

The Ballrooms we are in are decent size space with 3500-7500 Sq Ft, with the rooms ranging from the 65’x40’ up to 110’x60’.

The band is a 6 to 10 pieces playing everything from Jazz to Current Top 40.

The Other Agency band is running the Nexo PS15 & LS1200 and Analog controller with Camco & Gruppen power amps.


So what would your ideal/killer Speaker On Stick rig be to cover these situations?
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RCF TT11A and TT26A subs...we are using this rig for so many indoor and outdoor events and the sight lines are small...the subs are killer and two can deploy with no problem...worth a listen...but it sounds like you have done the deal...
 
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Silas Pradetto said:
The loudest thing I've ever heard that could be pole mounted was the Fulcrum DX1295. They have a portable version now - FA22ac - with Powersoft power. Expensive, but worth every penny. Insanely loud, and sounds amazing.
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But when you say the "loudest" cabinet....

At a high end wedding or corp event, the volume of the band can only be what is acceptable for the client. So if you say one box is "louder" than the other, isn't what you're saying is that it's more 'efficient' or more 'sensitive'? that you can get to the desired volume with less gain applied or less power draw? And therefore the advantage is exactly what? That you don't have to push the slider as high or that you draw fewer amps out of the wall? All the systems listed here I assume are good enough to achieve volume more than loud enough for the band to be heard in a hotel or country club ballroom with one speaker (or speaker and sub stack) per side.

Help me understand why it's such a desirable advantage for someone to go with a "louder" box.
 
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Robert Piascik said:
But when you say the "loudest" cabinet....

At a high end wedding or corp event, the volume of the band can only be what is acceptable for the client. So if you say one box is "louder" than the other, isn't what you're saying is that it's more 'efficient' or more 'sensitive'? that you can get to the desired volume with less gain applied or less power draw? And therefore the advantage is exactly what? That you don't have to push the slider as high or that you draw fewer amps out of the wall? All the systems listed here I assume are good enough to achieve volume more than loud enough for the band to be heard in a hotel or country club ballroom with one speaker (or speaker and sub stack) per side.

Help me understand why it's such a desirable advantage for someone to go with a "louder" box.
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And what does "louder" actually mean? Measured loudness (SPL) or "sounds louder" (distortion)? Does it matter if it has a flat even response or what if the "loudness" is a nasty peak that gives you that "ice pick in the forehead" type of sound?

Different people look for different things.

I would assume "loudest" is the maximum of how loud it "could" get if powered properly.

The advantage to having a box that is capable of high output (assuming it is clean) is that when you go to the larger events it can handle it.

Of course having a box with a higher sensitivity means you can get louder for a given amount of wall power. Sometimes that is more important.

On smaller events it will be loafing along and the distortion will be less-which is a good thing-generally. Some people REALLY DO like distortion and they don't care for cabinets that do not distort. Oh well---------------------

As with anything-you have to DEFINE the target and what is important to you (the OP) if you want to get usable results from a forum.

Otherwise you get results that are valid to one person but completely invalid to others.
 
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Tim McCulloch said:
Vue Audioteknik A-15 or the powered version. Uncle Kenny and Jim Sides have a winner here.
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Have you compared the A-15 and PS15-R2 boxes?

I have and I have also compared it to the H series which is closer to the same budget.
The PS15-R2 in passive powered by a NX4x4 sounded better/cleaner than the H-15w

The less expensive I series I was impressed with the price/performance ratio

db

NOTE: Sorry I didn't realize your message was from a while back
 
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