Re: Uli Behringer of The Music Group Q&A Question and suggestion Re ,X32
Then buy a Peavey.
Then buy a Peavey.
Uli Behringer of The Music Group Q&A
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Re: Uli Behringer of The Music Group Q&A Question and suggestion Re ,X32
Really, we're arguing about Peavey spec sheets in the Varsity Forum?
WFT?
Really, we're arguing about Peavey spec sheets in the Varsity Forum?
WFT?
Re: Uli Behringer of The Music Group Q&A Question and suggestion Re ,X32
You do not poke? but these sc__ bags lie and inflate numbers. AND they sound bad...
I used to get irritated by posts like this, now its just amusing.
JR
PS: I don't recall the CS amps having any excess of data on their data sheets but they did weigh and cost a lot more ($/Watt) than modern amps.
You do not poke? but these sc__ bags lie and inflate numbers. AND they sound bad...
I used to get irritated by posts like this, now its just amusing.
JR
PS: I don't recall the CS amps having any excess of data on their data sheets but they did weigh and cost a lot more ($/Watt) than modern amps.
Re: Uli Behringer of The Music Group Q&A Question and suggestion Re ,X32
This thread is clearly most interesting and active for the Junior Varsity folks, which should not have been surprising to me perhaps. I have therefore moved it to JV. I had also closed it because I felt it had gotten a little unwieldy, however I have now reconsidered. Clearly the thread is still active and a great resource to many, and in fact Mr. Behringer is still kind enough to give lengthy and personal replies. Therefore it will stay open unless it seems it would be better to close it later down the road.
I do ask, however, that we keep discussion to Behringer products and strategy only. There is enough going on here without separate comparison of every Behringer product to one aimed at the same market from another manufacturer. You're welcome to start a new thread for that purpose.
This thread is clearly most interesting and active for the Junior Varsity folks, which should not have been surprising to me perhaps. I have therefore moved it to JV. I had also closed it because I felt it had gotten a little unwieldy, however I have now reconsidered. Clearly the thread is still active and a great resource to many, and in fact Mr. Behringer is still kind enough to give lengthy and personal replies. Therefore it will stay open unless it seems it would be better to close it later down the road.
I do ask, however, that we keep discussion to Behringer products and strategy only. There is enough going on here without separate comparison of every Behringer product to one aimed at the same market from another manufacturer. You're welcome to start a new thread for that purpose.
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Re: Uli Behringer of The Music Group Q&A
from august 2, 2013, that's more than 9 weeks ago...
any update on the E.T.A.?
from august 2, 2013, that's more than 9 weeks ago...
any update on the E.T.A.?
Mr Behringer, could you shed some light on the state of the X32 Compact?
There is much speculation as well as a conspicuous absence from some major suppliers.
And, thank you for your participation here.
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There is much speculation as well as a conspicuous absence from some major suppliers.
And, thank you for your participation here.
Sent from my iPad HD
Re: Uli Behringer of The Music Group Q&A
Dear Rob,
Thanks for reaching out.
A large US retailer has decided to launch a major campaign to buy market share by selling the X32 Compact at a very aggressive price point. However once the limited stock is sold through, the situation will get back to normal.
To be perfectly clear, the X32 Compact is not at all discontinued and in fact has become the second best-selling console after the full-sized X32 at www.thomann.de, Europe’s largest retailer.
The X32 Compact along with the full-sized X32 continue to lead the whole family with a full slate of features including motorized faders, LCD scribble strips and of course all of the I/O options you'd expect. The interest that has surrounded all of the X32 models speaks very much to the way the family has been imagined from the start. It's not just the same board scaled down, but rather several configurations to meet specific needs.
The X32 Compact is the right choice for many users because of its size, while for others it's channel count. It all boils down to application. The X32 Producer might be the right choice forsomeone in a studio environment or the Rack may be a better choice for a house of worship. Ultimately, making several models with vastly different feature sets and user interfaces is more risky for a manufacturer, but it offers users the greatest range of choice for the way they work.
In the end, whether your needs are best met with an X32 Compact or one of the other models in the X32 family, what's important is that you are buying into a platform that not only delivers the features and performance of much more expensive consoles, it is a platform that continues to evolve and grow.
Warm regards
Uli
Dear Rob,
Thanks for reaching out.
A large US retailer has decided to launch a major campaign to buy market share by selling the X32 Compact at a very aggressive price point. However once the limited stock is sold through, the situation will get back to normal.
To be perfectly clear, the X32 Compact is not at all discontinued and in fact has become the second best-selling console after the full-sized X32 at www.thomann.de, Europe’s largest retailer.
The X32 Compact along with the full-sized X32 continue to lead the whole family with a full slate of features including motorized faders, LCD scribble strips and of course all of the I/O options you'd expect. The interest that has surrounded all of the X32 models speaks very much to the way the family has been imagined from the start. It's not just the same board scaled down, but rather several configurations to meet specific needs.
The X32 Compact is the right choice for many users because of its size, while for others it's channel count. It all boils down to application. The X32 Producer might be the right choice forsomeone in a studio environment or the Rack may be a better choice for a house of worship. Ultimately, making several models with vastly different feature sets and user interfaces is more risky for a manufacturer, but it offers users the greatest range of choice for the way they work.
In the end, whether your needs are best met with an X32 Compact or one of the other models in the X32 family, what's important is that you are buying into a platform that not only delivers the features and performance of much more expensive consoles, it is a platform that continues to evolve and grow.
Warm regards
Uli
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Dear Uli,
Perhaps you could shed some light on the ever changing iX16. John mentioned that it was redesigned I'm thinking that there is a lot more to it. Manufacturing capacity, labor etc. Are we going to see another mockup at NAMM 2014? Waiting for the new factory to be completed?
Dear Uli,
Perhaps you could shed some light on the ever changing iX16. John mentioned that it was redesigned I'm thinking that there is a lot more to it. Manufacturing capacity, labor etc. Are we going to see another mockup at NAMM 2014? Waiting for the new factory to be completed?
Re: Uli Behringer of The Music Group Q&A
Dear William,
We have decided to redesign the iX16 and make fundamental changes based on very valuable customer feedback. However at this stage we are not able to talk about it in more detail.
While we understand that there are many customers waiting for the iX16, once the unit will be released, I am sure you will agree that it was worth the wait. With the exception of the iX16, we have now concluded the shipment of all other X32 mixers which we introduced at Namm 2013.
Our German engineering team is feverishly working on the new and very powerful 2.0 firmware upgrade for the X32 Series and we hope to show a Beta version at Namm.
Warm regards
Uli
Dear William,
We have decided to redesign the iX16 and make fundamental changes based on very valuable customer feedback. However at this stage we are not able to talk about it in more detail.
While we understand that there are many customers waiting for the iX16, once the unit will be released, I am sure you will agree that it was worth the wait. With the exception of the iX16, we have now concluded the shipment of all other X32 mixers which we introduced at Namm 2013.
Our German engineering team is feverishly working on the new and very powerful 2.0 firmware upgrade for the X32 Series and we hope to show a Beta version at Namm.
Warm regards
Uli
Re: Uli Behringer of The Music Group Q&A
Lieber Uli,
Vielen Dank fuer ihre schnelle Antwort leider ist es eine schnelle Antwort. Let me explain. You stated that the iX16 is fundamentally redesigned from input of valuable customers. My first question of course is who are these valuable customers? Forum members? Feedback from where? Public or private? Since it is a fundamental redesign that means your current iX16 as shown on your website is no longer a product. So how can we determine what you are eluding to has any value whatsoever? Features/$. I believe you received plenty of feedback on the Internet and probably elsewhere regarding the existing design and most of it positive. You're certainly keeping Mackie and others guessing including your paying customers. There is certainly a tradeoff there. Personally I would like to see a reduced cost x32 call it what you want without the i. Remove the front panel on a rack, make the AES50 and Ultranet optional (plug in card) and provide a place for the required control surfaces and WiFi. Loose the DL look. Even Bill Gates realized early on that a dual code base was a drain on resources, hence NT4. Since I'm a recent customer of the X32 I have yet to formulate a new features wish list and V2 will probably postpone that. I do hope that you will surprise us in a positive way without years of waiting.
Regards
William
Lieber Uli,
Vielen Dank fuer ihre schnelle Antwort leider ist es eine schnelle Antwort. Let me explain. You stated that the iX16 is fundamentally redesigned from input of valuable customers. My first question of course is who are these valuable customers? Forum members? Feedback from where? Public or private? Since it is a fundamental redesign that means your current iX16 as shown on your website is no longer a product. So how can we determine what you are eluding to has any value whatsoever? Features/$. I believe you received plenty of feedback on the Internet and probably elsewhere regarding the existing design and most of it positive. You're certainly keeping Mackie and others guessing including your paying customers. There is certainly a tradeoff there. Personally I would like to see a reduced cost x32 call it what you want without the i. Remove the front panel on a rack, make the AES50 and Ultranet optional (plug in card) and provide a place for the required control surfaces and WiFi. Loose the DL look. Even Bill Gates realized early on that a dual code base was a drain on resources, hence NT4. Since I'm a recent customer of the X32 I have yet to formulate a new features wish list and V2 will probably postpone that. I do hope that you will surprise us in a positive way without years of waiting.
Regards
William
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Paul
Please Uli, don't mess with the design of the Rack, as suggested. It's great just the way it is. Gut feeling is that it is going to be a top selling product in no time.
Paul
Re: Uli Behringer of The Music Group Q&A
It's not to replace the rack but to be a iX16 which is still not defined as I read it. Fundamental changes means exactly that in my book. Not under the hood changes which mater not to the end user. Paul please read more carefully.
Re: Uli Behringer of The Music Group Q&A
Hey Paul,
If I were a betting engineer ..... or part of the design team at Behringer .... I might heavily consider creating a DL1608 form factor mixer with X32 sub assemblies. I might pair down the I/O to be appropriate to the form factor, but leave the processing and code base common with the X32 series.
By the looks of the original specifications if the iX16, it doesn't look like this is what they started with (by the number of busses and the number of efx engines for instance).
I could be way off on this .... it is pure speculation
Hey Paul,
If I were a betting engineer ..... or part of the design team at Behringer .... I might heavily consider creating a DL1608 form factor mixer with X32 sub assemblies. I might pair down the I/O to be appropriate to the form factor, but leave the processing and code base common with the X32 series.
By the looks of the original specifications if the iX16, it doesn't look like this is what they started with (by the number of busses and the number of efx engines for instance).
I could be way off on this .... it is pure speculation
Re: Uli Behringer of The Music Group Q&A
So do I understand correctly that what you would like to see is the X32 engine in an iX16 format - sort of like a V8 engine in a Ford Pinto? (My college roommate did that and it messed up the rear end 8)~
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Paul
Sorry William if I misunderstood what you were trying to say. I guess I've been reading too many things with little time to stop and contemplate (tyranny of the urgent, as they say).
So do I understand correctly that what you would like to see is the X32 engine in an iX16 format - sort of like a V8 engine in a Ford Pinto? (My college roommate did that and it messed up the rear end 8)~
~).Paul
Re: Uli Behringer of The Music Group Q&A
Paul
Yes Scott, it would be very interesting to know what those "fundamental changes" are.Hey Paul,
If I were a betting engineer ..... or part of the design team at Behringer .... I might heavily consider creating a DL1608 form factor mixer with X32 sub assemblies. I might pair down the I/O to be appropriate to the form factor, but leave the processing and code base common with the X32 series.
By the looks of the original specifications if the iX16, it doesn't look like this is what they started with (by the number of busses and the number of efx engines for instance).
I could be way off on this .... it is pure speculation
Paul
Re: Uli Behringer of The Music Group Q&A
Scott product differentiation is a no-trivial aspect of a successful design and having another DL knockoff isn't it. Phonics Acapela already does that for $749. I own a DL and as a owner/user the form factor is lacking convenience amongst other things.
Hey Paul,
If I were a betting engineer ..... or part of the design team at Behringer .... I might heavily consider creating a DL1608 form factor mixer with X32 sub assemblies. I might pair down the I/O to be appropriate to the form factor, but leave the processing and code base common with the X32 series.
By the looks of the original specifications if the iX16, it doesn't look like this is what they started with (by the number of busses and the number of efx engines for instance).
I could be way off on this .... it is pure speculation
Scott product differentiation is a no-trivial aspect of a successful design and having another DL knockoff isn't it. Phonics Acapela already does that for $749. I own a DL and as a owner/user the form factor is lacking convenience amongst other things.
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Call me when there are 8 in the air.
Flat pack ground stack. Yawn.
Call me when there are 8 in the air.
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Good day,
i have few ideas and for new firmware improvements on x32 system:
1 - Option to set meters pre eq, pre fader and post fader (like in ls9)
2 - Middle values in compressor ratios (like 3,5 n 4,5)
3 - Switch to have compressor pre or post eq
4 - Possibility to have Xusb card outputs and inputs as channel-insert send and return in order to use a pc like external 32 channel dsp (yes i am brilliant!)(ok i know it would not be so reliable but it would be cool)
5 - Possibility to press a user button to use bus faders as input faders in x32 compact and producer
6 - Possibility to use vst as effects
Daniele
Good day,
i have few ideas and for new firmware improvements on x32 system:
1 - Option to set meters pre eq, pre fader and post fader (like in ls9)
2 - Middle values in compressor ratios (like 3,5 n 4,5)
3 - Switch to have compressor pre or post eq
4 - Possibility to have Xusb card outputs and inputs as channel-insert send and return in order to use a pc like external 32 channel dsp (yes i am brilliant!)(ok i know it would not be so reliable but it would be cool)
5 - Possibility to press a user button to use bus faders as input faders in x32 compact and producer
6 - Possibility to use vst as effects
Daniele