Re: X32 Discussion
I noticed on the B&H Photo website a few days ago that they are still using the prototype images too.
I noticed on the B&H Photo website a few days ago that they are still using the prototype images too.
X32 Discussion
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Re: Internal crossover function in new update
Paul, I'd made the same request, and was met with a general "It's stupid, useless, and can't be done, because *I* don't want it" attitude. Glad to see the engineers who actually know something about this stuff saw the merit in our requests! It's just too bad the matrices don't have delay, but I've honestly never used the alignment delays in the speaker processor this setup is eliminating anyway... So, I bypassed my current processor at a gig this past weekend, and the system sounded great! And I love not having to lean down and look at the tiny LCD screen on my old drive processor! Oh... And the guys in the band love not having to lug my 24 space processing rack, my old Yamaha PM3000-40, and the 12 space rack for the console PSU's any more!!! So, *my* thanks to the engineers at Behringer as well! Nice Job!
Paul, I'd made the same request, and was met with a general "It's stupid, useless, and can't be done, because *I* don't want it" attitude. Glad to see the engineers who actually know something about this stuff saw the merit in our requests! It's just too bad the matrices don't have delay, but I've honestly never used the alignment delays in the speaker processor this setup is eliminating anyway... So, I bypassed my current processor at a gig this past weekend, and the system sounded great! And I love not having to lean down and look at the tiny LCD screen on my old drive processor! Oh... And the guys in the band love not having to lug my 24 space processing rack, my old Yamaha PM3000-40, and the 12 space rack for the console PSU's any more!!! So, *my* thanks to the engineers at Behringer as well! Nice Job!
Re: Internal crossover function in new update
I speculated about a related concept years ago for a powered mixer product definition to better utilize/justify a DSP added to the master section of an otherwise analog product, mainly for effects, but once there it could do more digital tricks. (my concept was not blessed by management).
In the context of a digital mixer, it seems the DSP should be fairly busy, but it is a valid trade-off if the marketplace is willing to burn 3x,6x or more outputs dedicate to the driver bandpass outputs, and some amount of processor overhead.
My longer view on this general digital evolution is that dedicated DSP which is dropping in cost, could be more effectively deployed inside powered speakers where the I/O burden is not an issue and the crossover can be tuned by the "speaker" design engineers, not entry level mixer customers.
IMO it doesn't make sense to add power amps inside a mass market digital mixer, a crossover could be an interesting option for some small fraction of customers, whether that justifies the development cost is not my call.
Of course opinions vary...
JR
I speculated about a related concept years ago for a powered mixer product definition to better utilize/justify a DSP added to the master section of an otherwise analog product, mainly for effects, but once there it could do more digital tricks. (my concept was not blessed by management).
In the context of a digital mixer, it seems the DSP should be fairly busy, but it is a valid trade-off if the marketplace is willing to burn 3x,6x or more outputs dedicate to the driver bandpass outputs, and some amount of processor overhead.
My longer view on this general digital evolution is that dedicated DSP which is dropping in cost, could be more effectively deployed inside powered speakers where the I/O burden is not an issue and the crossover can be tuned by the "speaker" design engineers, not entry level mixer customers.
IMO it doesn't make sense to add power amps inside a mass market digital mixer, a crossover could be an interesting option for some small fraction of customers, whether that justifies the development cost is not my call.
Of course opinions vary...
JR
Re: Internal crossover function in new update
Hi Mark,
If you need to in the future, you can delay the Matrix mixes. Output delay is actually set individually by output on the "analog out" page of the ROUTING menu. This means that you can actually delay whatever signal is assigned to a given output, including your Matrix mixes. Hope it helps!
Best,
John DiNicola
Senior Specialist, Product Support
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
Hi Mark,
If you need to in the future, you can delay the Matrix mixes. Output delay is actually set individually by output on the "analog out" page of the ROUTING menu. This means that you can actually delay whatever signal is assigned to a given output, including your Matrix mixes. Hope it helps!
Best,
John DiNicola
Senior Specialist, Product Support
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
Re: Internal crossover function in new update
Is there a way (internal to the mixer) to delay a mixbus and then send that to the matrixes?
Is there a way (internal to the mixer) to delay a mixbus and then send that to the matrixes?
Re: Internal crossover function in new update
Hi Kevin,
There is not a way to delay a Mix Bus internally before it is sent to a Matrix.
While the 32 input channels feature "Input Delay", the Mix Busses and Matrix Mixes do not.
Likewise, there are no "Output Delay" options for the mixes within the console until they are assigned to Analog Outputs.
The delay features on the X32 are included on all of the 16 analog outputs, 32 input channels, and the monitor signal for time-aligning headphones.
If you would like to explain your application for this, I'd be happy to forward your feedback to the development team.
Best,
John DiNicola
Senior Specialist, Product Support
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
Hi Kevin,
There is not a way to delay a Mix Bus internally before it is sent to a Matrix.
While the 32 input channels feature "Input Delay", the Mix Busses and Matrix Mixes do not.
Likewise, there are no "Output Delay" options for the mixes within the console until they are assigned to Analog Outputs.
The delay features on the X32 are included on all of the 16 analog outputs, 32 input channels, and the monitor signal for time-aligning headphones.
If you would like to explain your application for this, I'd be happy to forward your feedback to the development team.
Best,
John DiNicola
Senior Specialist, Product Support
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
Re: Mixbus delay
There is a way, you can use the insert to insert one of the first four effects and use the delay.
There are of course some limitations, like smallest resolution being 1ms, and it costs you a send-return effect.
To John DiNicola:
Having delay on groups is somewhat of a necessity when using the desk both for monitor and main mix. The way it is at the moment, with input delay pre everything, you can't use the rather long delay times you need for aligning backline and drums with the bleed into downstage mikes, because the delay would also affect monitors. The only solution is to make the small alignments between mics on the drums, amp-mics and diboxes on guitars and bass etc. and route the whole backline to a subgroup and delay that whole subgroup.
Doing it this way is fine, and actually a lot easier, but there should be a precision delay available for insert. Delays doesn't really use up dsp resources, only memory, and hopefully there is still enough available even if delays were made available for the buses.
There is a way, you can use the insert to insert one of the first four effects and use the delay.
There are of course some limitations, like smallest resolution being 1ms, and it costs you a send-return effect.
To John DiNicola:
Having delay on groups is somewhat of a necessity when using the desk both for monitor and main mix. The way it is at the moment, with input delay pre everything, you can't use the rather long delay times you need for aligning backline and drums with the bleed into downstage mikes, because the delay would also affect monitors. The only solution is to make the small alignments between mics on the drums, amp-mics and diboxes on guitars and bass etc. and route the whole backline to a subgroup and delay that whole subgroup.
Doing it this way is fine, and actually a lot easier, but there should be a precision delay available for insert. Delays doesn't really use up dsp resources, only memory, and hopefully there is still enough available even if delays were made available for the buses.
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Recording a jam with my x32
Wanted to share this, just for fun.
I took my x32 under the arm and went over to a friends house for a late evening jam last week
I connected my old laptop to it using usb and recorded a multi-track of the jam session into StudioOne.
Afterwards I routed the recorded tracks back into the x32 channels and did a quick mixdown directly on the console.
The guitar is a telecaster DI'ed into the mixer, processed using the built-in guitar amp/cab sim. The bass is also DI'ed and processed with the built-in tubepre-fx.
No processing was made in StudioOne. All was done in the x32...
Here is a link to one of the blues songs: AtB Jonas v1 by roblof on SoundCloud - Hear the world
Oh, and if you happen to like the bass and/or the singer; That would be me. 8)~
~
Wanted to share this, just for fun.
I took my x32 under the arm and went over to a friends house for a late evening jam last week
I connected my old laptop to it using usb and recorded a multi-track of the jam session into StudioOne.
Afterwards I routed the recorded tracks back into the x32 channels and did a quick mixdown directly on the console.
The guitar is a telecaster DI'ed into the mixer, processed using the built-in guitar amp/cab sim. The bass is also DI'ed and processed with the built-in tubepre-fx.
No processing was made in StudioOne. All was done in the x32...
Here is a link to one of the blues songs: AtB Jonas v1 by roblof on SoundCloud - Hear the world
Oh, and if you happen to like the bass and/or the singer; That would be me. 8)~
~
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Re: Mixbus delay
Hi Per,
Thank you for your explanation and feedback.
For now, I tried out your workaround and it certainly does work with the Delay plugin (I tried Stereo Delay).
For anyone who tries this, be sure your Feedback settings are all the way down and the Mix is set to 100%. Factor should also be 1 or your time will be off.
Also, you will first need go to the EFFECTS page and change the slot you are using to be fed as an INSERT rather than a Bus as it is by default.
This will allow you to use the "config" page of a Mix Bus to insert the delay.
Best,
John DiNicola
Senior Specialist, Product Support
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
Hi Per,
Thank you for your explanation and feedback.
For now, I tried out your workaround and it certainly does work with the Delay plugin (I tried Stereo Delay).
For anyone who tries this, be sure your Feedback settings are all the way down and the Mix is set to 100%. Factor should also be 1 or your time will be off.
Also, you will first need go to the EFFECTS page and change the slot you are using to be fed as an INSERT rather than a Bus as it is by default.
This will allow you to use the "config" page of a Mix Bus to insert the delay.
Best,
John DiNicola
Senior Specialist, Product Support
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
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Re: Internal crossover function in new update
That certainly does! I hadn't noticed that. I'm going to go fire up my X32 and take a look right now. Thanks John!
That certainly does! I hadn't noticed that. I'm going to go fire up my X32 and take a look right now. Thanks John!
Re: Internal crossover function in new update
Heh... Cool! You know, I hadn't even noticed that delay setting down in the corner. I haven't received my S16's yet, so I haven't really messed around with the routing all that much. Thanks for the tip John!
BTW, any word on when we might see the S16's in the U.S.? I purchased two of them a while back from Full Compass... Just waiting on Delivery. I have the X32 and P16M's, so now all I need are the S16's and I'll be set.
Heh... Cool! You know, I hadn't even noticed that delay setting down in the corner. I haven't received my S16's yet, so I haven't really messed around with the routing all that much. Thanks for the tip John!
BTW, any word on when we might see the S16's in the U.S.? I purchased two of them a while back from Full Compass... Just waiting on Delivery. I have the X32 and P16M's, so now all I need are the S16's and I'll be set.
Re: windows 8
In regard to the Mackie control usine one midi port for it's 8 faders - How is the Mackie Control unit able to cascade it's 8 fader extender? Is it still one midi port? From the Mackie site : "And the built-in MIDI interfaces lets you add up to three MCU XT Pros without the need for external hardware"
Maybe there's a possibility after all?
Pauly
In regard to the Mackie control usine one midi port for it's 8 faders - How is the Mackie Control unit able to cascade it's 8 fader extender? Is it still one midi port? From the Mackie site : "And the built-in MIDI interfaces lets you add up to three MCU XT Pros without the need for external hardware"
Maybe there's a possibility after all?
Pauly
Re: Internal crossover function in new update
I got simillar attitude when I asked to be able to set the tap point from the x32 (so I could get 'post channel' recordings) firewire. Hopefully they are working on it now!
Pauly
I got simillar attitude when I asked to be able to set the tap point from the x32 (so I could get 'post channel' recordings) firewire. Hopefully they are working on it now!
Pauly
Defective DCA Fader Video
anybody had the same problem?
X32 defective fader - YouTube
Video of the defective fader #8
Purchased the desk from Thomann in Germany. Got in touch with them, mabe they change the X32 for a new one tomorrow. But will be a 300 km travel. I call it "Nightmare before Xmas".
Cheers, Henry
anybody had the same problem?
X32 defective fader - YouTube
Video of the defective fader #8
Purchased the desk from Thomann in Germany. Got in touch with them, mabe they change the X32 for a new one tomorrow. But will be a 300 km travel. I call it "Nightmare before Xmas".
Cheers, Henry
Re: Tap points (reply to : Internal crossover function in new update)
Although I am mainly at a loss why you want to record this way - I understand there is a way using the P16 routing - to the card outs ( provided you are not actually using the P16's) - though not all 32 channels.- if the last webinar re the S16's is on line now I think they explained it during this
Re mixing using the internal effects of the X32 - I think the introduction of (on board) dynamic automation for mixing would be more useful - and indeed help turn the x32 into a great studio as well as a live console,
Nick
to be able to set the tap point from the x32 (so I could get 'post channel' recordings) firewire. Hopefully they are working on it now!
Pauly
Although I am mainly at a loss why you want to record this way - I understand there is a way using the P16 routing - to the card outs ( provided you are not actually using the P16's) - though not all 32 channels.- if the last webinar re the S16's is on line now I think they explained it during this
Re mixing using the internal effects of the X32 - I think the introduction of (on board) dynamic automation for mixing would be more useful - and indeed help turn the x32 into a great studio as well as a live console,
Nick
Re: Defective DCA Fader Video
Dear Henry,
Sorry, to hear about your X32's defective fader. I suppose having your console collected by courier and replaced by Thomann is probably the fastest option. I don't know which area of Germany you are living in, but I would invite you to visit our RnD office in Willich and we'll take care of the fix on the spot. I will be back to the office January 2nd.
Please feel free to send me a pm to discuss the details (in German), if visiting us is an option for you.
Have a merry Christmas and all the luck for 2013!
Jan
Dear Henry,
Sorry, to hear about your X32's defective fader. I suppose having your console collected by courier and replaced by Thomann is probably the fastest option. I don't know which area of Germany you are living in, but I would invite you to visit our RnD office in Willich and we'll take care of the fix on the spot. I will be back to the office January 2nd.
Please feel free to send me a pm to discuss the details (in German), if visiting us is an option for you.
Have a merry Christmas and all the luck for 2013!
Jan
Re: Defective DCA Fader Video
I now have two that have died. I have also discovered that most of the rotary encoders are functioning erratically - if you turn them at a moderate speed the result is a jerky reading which sometimes goes in completely the wrong direction. Behringer are in the process of arranging a repair but this amount of issues in such a short period does concern me. It has seen a reasonable amount of use but it is clean, has been looked after, is flightcased and put in storage when not in use and has never encountered theatrical smoke.
I now have two that have died. I have also discovered that most of the rotary encoders are functioning erratically - if you turn them at a moderate speed the result is a jerky reading which sometimes goes in completely the wrong direction. Behringer are in the process of arranging a repair but this amount of issues in such a short period does concern me. It has seen a reasonable amount of use but it is clean, has been looked after, is flightcased and put in storage when not in use and has never encountered theatrical smoke.
My first tour
Did my first tour with around 12 concerts. Cold temperatures and rough road treatment. The x32 worked perfectly and the band was very happy with the sound. Its just awesome when you can walk around with your ipad and do live in mixing in the audience.
Now i am going to retire my soundcraft console and a full rack of processors. Really happy.
2 S16's waiting under the xmas tree
Did my first tour with around 12 concerts. Cold temperatures and rough road treatment. The x32 worked perfectly and the band was very happy with the sound. Its just awesome when you can walk around with your ipad and do live in mixing in the audience.
Now i am going to retire my soundcraft console and a full rack of processors. Really happy.
2 S16's waiting under the xmas tree
Re: Tap points (reply to : Internal crossover function in new update)
Nick,
In addition to using the P 16 "outputs" you can also select "Out 1-8" and " Out 9-16" to route to the card. When assigning signals to the Analog Outputs on the home tab of the Routing page, you can "tap" Pre, Post Eq, Pre Fader, and Post Fader, etc. So, when you combine the routing of the P 16 Outputs to that of the Analog Output busses, you can send 32 tracks to the Card, anywhere in the signal chain that you desire.
Dennie Edwards
Specialist, Product Support
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
Nick,
In addition to using the P 16 "outputs" you can also select "Out 1-8" and " Out 9-16" to route to the card. When assigning signals to the Analog Outputs on the home tab of the Routing page, you can "tap" Pre, Post Eq, Pre Fader, and Post Fader, etc. So, when you combine the routing of the P 16 Outputs to that of the Analog Output busses, you can send 32 tracks to the Card, anywhere in the signal chain that you desire.
Dennie Edwards
Specialist, Product Support
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
Re: Tap points (reply to : Internal crossover function in new update)
Dennie,
thanks for expanding on the options for Paul - the P16 bit was the only aspect I recalled form the webinar - very flexible.
For my part I record using the direct outs - however I would love to be able to mix the recordings on the console using the X32 faders/EQ/Dynamics & effects ( not via the DAW control surface interface) - i.e hoping dynamic automation will be introduced ( as per your old DDX3216 - still in service here!),
all the best
Nick
Dennie,
thanks for expanding on the options for Paul - the P16 bit was the only aspect I recalled form the webinar - very flexible.
For my part I record using the direct outs - however I would love to be able to mix the recordings on the console using the X32 faders/EQ/Dynamics & effects ( not via the DAW control surface interface) - i.e hoping dynamic automation will be introduced ( as per your old DDX3216 - still in service here!),
all the best
Nick
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