X32 Discussion

Tap Delay weirdness?

I posted this before. Anyone else finding to tap function sporadic and inaccurate? I find if I tap it too many times it just applies a random time setting and I have to manually adjust with the knob to get it to 'see' the tap button again.
 
Re: Headphone jacks

Darren Scaresbrook said:
Hi Dave,

Can you tell us where you found this figure?

Darren
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Hello

I suppose he got it by applying different loads and measuring voltages across - thus coming to conclusion of 37 ohms. As with all impedances, this one is frequency-dependent, too - as is the load impedance connected to it.
But if you want to be on safe side - try to get headphones within 200-600ohms rating, if you want to use more than one at a time. I am doing well with my old Sennheiser 450 , which is rated 70 ohms - but I only use one set...

tomorrow I am leaving S16 alone , X32 on stage and do house with iPad only. - New Years Eve with house full of more or less drunken people can be catastrophical for mixer on a table.... So I play safe.

Happy New Year
 
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Re: Headphone jacks

Timo Ulkuniemi said:
Hello

I suppose he got it by applying different loads and measuring voltages across - thus coming to conclusion of 37 ohms. As with all impedances, this one is frequency-dependent, too - as is the load impedance connected to it.
But if you want to be on safe side - try to get headphones within 200-600ohms rating, if you want to use more than one at a time. I am doing well with my old Sennheiser 450 , which is rated 70 ohms - but I only use one set...

tomorrow I am leaving S16 alone , X32 on stage and do house with iPad only. - New Years Eve with house full of more or less drunken people can be catastrophical for mixer on a table.... So I play safe.

Happy New Year
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Yes, that's about it - however I measured it at 50, 500 and 1KHz and it's the same at all those. The test loads were purely resistive so no change with frequency there.
 
mute groups

I'm fairly new here and haven't read all 180+ (!) pages, so this may have been answered, apologies if so.

Has anyone from Behringer given an answer to the (unusable, for my way of working) mute group behaviour? It drives me mad at every gig!
 
Recording via FiWi.

Hi Chaps,

Please, could you advice me? Till now I have been user of PC.
But after one month of reconfiguration of mine HP ElitBook 8530w the yesterdays recording was bad. Cracking , out of synchronisation. I have been using two X32s. One X32 for monitoring and one X32 for FOH. Recording was done on FOH console.

Due to bad recording I have decided to have for recording MacBook.
What kind of configuration is minimal for CPU, RAM and Hard drive?
Can I use Fiwi 800 for recording?
Can I use some second hand Mac?

Thank you in advance for your advice.

Jan Tapak
 
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Re: X Control v0.91

Shane Presley said:
Just because you CAN do it doesn't mean you SHOULD do it. If the singer you are doing is Frank Sinatra and he asked for some rev. Then ya. But if its a step up from karaoke queen bar band chick asking. Thats a no with an explanation of why its not a good idea. Also Im not sure who your clients are, but I'm not hired by the band 99% of the time, its usually a festival or promoter and they are usually very happy with the result. The request for fx in the mons isn't very common for me its once in awhile and its normally behavior that they have learned doing their own sound. In this case the customer isn't always right.
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I think Frank even didn't had a monitor or even knows what a fx is;-)
At first we have to separate IEM and wedges. On IEM reverb is imho required to give the musician a more natural feeling. Reverb on wedges depends also on the location. I prefer to help the musicians to feel as comfortable as possible. If some restrictions, bad acoustic e.g., we have to find together a proper solution. There is no thumb rule on that except 'let's communicate'.
And the promoter or on site manager normally knows nothing about the things we discuss here.
 
Re: Recording via FiWi.

Jan Tapak said:
Hi Chaps,

Please, could you advice me? Till now I have been user of PC.
But after one month of reconfiguration of mine HP ElitBook 8530w the yesterdays recording was bad. Cracking , out of synchronisation. I have been using two X32s. One X32 for monitoring and one X32 for FOH. Recording was done on FOH console.

Due to bad recording I have decided to have for recording MacBook.
What kind of configuration is minimal for CPU, RAM and Hard drive?
Can I use Fiwi 800 for recording?
Can I use some second hand Mac?

Thank you in advance for your advice.

Jan Tapak
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I have a 2007-8 MacBook... Basic setup with dual 2.2mHz processor. FW 400... 32 tracks at 48K no problem.
 
Re: X Control v0.91

Shane Presley said:
Just because you CAN do it doesn't mean you SHOULD do it. If the singer you are doing is Frank Sinatra and he asked for some rev. Then ya. But if its a step up from karaoke queen bar band chick asking. Thats a no with an explanation of why its not a good idea. Also Im not sure who your clients are, but I'm not hired by the band 99% of the time, its usually a festival or promoter and they are usually very happy with the result. The request for fx in the mons isn't very common for me its once in awhile and its normally behavior that they have learned doing their own sound. In this case the customer isn't always right.
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Since it wasn't answered, and I'll want something to read when I get home from NYE events (we hit midnight here way before the rest of the world), WHAT do you have against it?

Personally, since it takes mere seconds to set up, if someone wants something in their mix, I give it to them. Unless something is seriously wrong, I have already rung out the monitors, have plenty of headroom, so a little verb is no issue for me. If it makes the singer sing better, that in turn just made my job easier.

Pissing off the artist just because you don't feel like doing something seems like a lot more trouble than its worth.
 
Re: X Control v0.91

Shane Presley said:
you just made my point my friend... Fx don't make you great, or comfortable... It only masks what you are not Actually hitting. Not sucking makes you great... Start worrying about that, and then later, we'll add some reverb... Lol
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Well, it may be your point but IMO it is not your place. That attitude is condescending and arrogant. Not our place at a gig to tell the singer to "get better" and then they can have reverb in the monitors. Lots of famous singers I think suck but on the gig it is their show.
 
Re: mute groups

Richard Mitton said:
I'm fairly new here and haven't read all 180+ (!) pages, so this may have been answered, apologies if so.

Has anyone from Behringer given an answer to the (unusable, for my way of working) mute group behaviour? It drives me mad at every gig!
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What part of the mute group behavior gives you trouble?
Could you explain a little better how it's unusable? I've only played on Xcontrol so far but it seems to work OK?

Ryan.
 
Re: mute groups

Ryan Taylor said:
What part of the mute group behavior gives you trouble?
Could you explain a little better how it's unusable? I've only played on Xcontrol so far but it seems to work OK?

Ryan.
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manual mutes are not excluded from the mute groups.

So if you have some open mics or wireless that are muted until needed and you invoke a mute group that they are included in, they will un-mute with the gruop which will lead to unwelcome surprices...
 
Re: mute groups

Robert Lofgren said:
manual mutes are not excluded from the mute groups.

Seems like the mutes act that way on all the consoles to me (except some yahmaha ones, where they have channel "on" indicators", and if those channels are off they won't turn back on until you turn 'em on manually. . I find that the mute group programming to be ultra easy on this console... if I hit a mute group on or off, I really want ALL the channels assigned to that group to react! You may have to re-think some of your methods.
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Re: mute groups

Declan Slater said:
Robert Lofgren said:
manual mutes are not excluded from the mute groups.

Seems like the mutes act that way on all the consoles to me (except some yahmaha ones, where they have channel "on" indicators", and if those channels are off they won't turn back on until you turn 'em on manually. . I find that the mute group programming to be ultra easy on this console... if I hit a mute group on or off, I really want ALL the channels assigned to that group to react! You may have to re-think some of your methods.
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Example - multiple band night, so I set up 4 vocal mics across the front of the stage. Not every band will use them all, so I manually mute those not in use. Except when I then unmute the vocal group as a band takes the stage they all come back on.

As for changing methods, nah. This is how mute groups have worked on every console I can think of.
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Re: mute groups

Declan Slater said:
Robert Lofgren said:
manual mutes are not excluded from the mute groups.

Seems like the mutes act that way on all the consoles to me (except some yahmaha ones, where they have channel "on" indicators", and if those channels are off they won't turn back on until you turn 'em on manually. . I find that the mute group programming to be ultra easy on this console... if I hit a mute group on or off, I really want ALL the channels assigned to that group to react! You may have to re-think some of your methods.
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Since I'm an old dog I don't want to relearn old habits.

However, I can see reasons where your approach could be beneficial (but not for my uses). Therefor I can appriciate an option to toggle the mute group behavior.
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Re: mute groups

Robert Lofgren said:
... Therefor I can appriciate an option to toggle the mute group behavior.
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This exchange ended up in the same place as the last one on this very topic: a suggestion for an option for either behaviour in the setup. The power of group reasoning!! And if the Behringer folks are listening, which they've shown the inclination to do, let's hope to see the option in the near future.

The only thing missing from making this perfect deja vu, is the work-around suggested by a Music Group specialist to use DCA mutes to emulate the non-override behaviour (i.e., the underlying channel mute status is not effected). And, yes, it was noted back then that this is less-than-perfect solution because you potentially sacrifice DCAs for the purpose of creating mute groups and not just DCA groups. Nonetheless, it is an option for those looking for one...
 
Re: mute groups

Kevin Wright said:
This exchange ended up in the same place as the last one on this very topic: a suggestion for an option for either behaviour in the setup. The power of group reasoning!! And if the Behringer folks are listening, which they've shown the inclination to do, let's hope to see the option in the near future.

The only thing missing from making this perfect deja vu, is the work-around suggested by a Music Group specialist to use DCA mutes to emulate the non-override behaviour (i.e., the underlying channel mute status is not effected). And, yes, it was noted back then that this is less-than-perfect solution because you potentially sacrifice DCAs for the purpose of creating mute groups and not just DCA groups. Nonetheless, it is an option for those looking for one...
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Yeah, I was involved in that discussion as well.

From a programming perspective the underlying functionality is already there with mute groups 1-6. If you assign a channel to more than one mute group only the last active mute group will release the mute. This is somewhat inconcistent behavior given the different mute scenarios.

This also means that if the developers consider the manual mutes as mute group 0 then the priority will work thru all mute groups and manual mutes.
 
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