X32 Discussion

Re: X32 Discussion

Dugan Style via OSC is possible.
But I do not know if the update frequence is fast enough not to cut whole words if an lowered microphone comes in with a signal level again.

Depends on you needs.

In an worship scenario with spoken word over long periods it might work.
I like to make a proof of concept.
Let's see if I find time.

Ciao
Gido
Level updates are 20 times/second i.e. 50mS...
 
Re: XiControl

Hi, has any one got any ideas for cases / mounts for the P16d? it seems to be a bit of a funny size! Any ideas welcome.

I use a 1 space rack shelf and replaced two of the screws on the bottom of the P16D with longer ones so I can securely mount it to the shelf. Seems to hold up fine.
 
Re: XiControl

Seems strange that it is the same setup and venue that I've operated in before, this is the first time it has occurred.

Ok, I have had that happen also, a reboot of the iPad seems to clear that up. The time I ran into that it slowly ground the application almost to a halt over about 20 minutes, a reboot cleared the problem. Gotta also say a 5ghz router has better speed/range, totally worth it...
 
Re: XiControl

I use a 1 space rack shelf and replaced two of the screws on the bottom of the P16D with longer ones so I can securely mount it to the shelf. Seems to hold up fine.

Yeah I thought of this, but I am running 2x p16d's and it just seems a massive waste of space! Also I tend to put then spaced apart and on the stage so I don’t have huge lengths of cat5 to tape down. Also a 19" 1u case is quite a big box to have on stage for such a small bit of gear! There has to be a more elegant solution!

Any other ideas ? Anyone?
 
Re: XiControl

Yeah I thought of this, but I am running 2x p16d's and it just seems a massive waste of space! Also I tend to put then spaced apart and on the stage so I don’t have huge lengths of cat5 to tape down. Also a 19" 1u case is quite a big box to have on stage for such a small bit of gear! There has to be a more elegant solution!

Any other ideas ? Anyone?

Some plywood, some gluing and screwing and a coat or two of black paint.
 
P16D

Hello


What about taking a small piece of plywood or sheetmetal or stiff plastic - then mount P16d on it with a power-outlet and some 4-8 meters of power cable ( you need those on stage anyway...) - then to transport this whole schabang just get a cheap aluminium case ( with Behringer badge on it ) - in this same case you can transport all associated CAT-cables.

Personally I would transport those in same case with other small stuff - excluding microphones...
They do not need any casing while on stage, if located carefully so nobody steps on them - but that´s how we all work anyhow - don´t we????

Nuuska
 
Crunchy, Crackling Recording

Alright, guys, I'm stumped.

I've multi-tracked to Reaper from the X32 a few times successfully and everything's sounded great. This morning, though, what I got was terrible.

The result sounds "crunchy," "crackly," all full of digital noise. I guess it's possible that it's a result of clipping the A/D's, but it doesn't seem to be likely, since, as far as I know, they're the same settings as last week. Levels on the channels themselves are within normal range. The X32 was completely unattended during the recording, so I have no idea how sources sounded through the board when the recording was being made.

Real-time sources sound fine. Playback of a previous recording sounds fine. Both the recording file and the X32 are set to a 48kHz sample rate.

Any ideas?
 
Re: Crunchy, Crackling Recording

Alright, guys, I'm stumped.

I've multi-tracked to Reaper from the X32 a few times successfully and everything's sounded great. This morning, though, what I got was terrible.

The result sounds "crunchy," "crackly," all full of digital noise. I guess it's possible that it's a result of clipping the A/D's, but it doesn't seem to be likely, since, as far as I know, they're the same settings as last week. Levels on the channels themselves are within normal range. The X32 was completely unattended during the recording, so I have no idea how sources sounded through the board when the recording was being made.

Real-time sources sound fine. Playback of a previous recording sounds fine. Both the recording file and the X32 are set to a 48kHz sample rate.

Any ideas?
I've had this happen with other soundcards as well. It's like the asio driver loses the clock sync. I think that I've narrowed it down to when the cpu gets heavily loaded for a short while and when everything is back to normal the sync is out due to exhausted resourses for a short while. This is a very rare occation though so you should b safe most of the time.

I try to monitor the recorded signal so that I can catch an abnormal situation just to make sure. I also carry two independent recording rigs if the recording is of importance.
 
Re: Automixer using OSC?

Yes, it should be possible. Since you can read the levels and control each channels strip I forsee no real issues to do it dugan style via osc...

That would be fantastic. I would be hugely impressed. If you are planning to have a go, remember that the virtual insert point has to be post-fader, so that unused mics don't have any effect.


Thanks,
Mick Berg.
 
Re: Crunchy, Crackling Recording

I think that I've narrowed it down to when the cpu gets heavily loaded for a short while and when everything is back to normal the sync is out due to exhausted resourses for a short while.

it could be disk IO contention too. But if your using USB, the CPU will have quite an important role. If you have a decent FireWire port (good chipset/driver) use it instead. FireWire is capable of operating independently of the CPU. Then again of your problem is more from disk IO, FW vs. USB won't matter much :)
 
Re: X32 Discussion

I have 2 questions:

- Is there an easy way to solo a channel including FX? For example to hear the snare including reverb? I tried de AFL modes but that doesn't include de FX returns.

- I got something strange with the effects. I used FX4 as an send/return effect (or sidechain effect). I set bus 8 as the send in de effects overview. But when i muted the return of FX4 i still heard the effect. Even when i muted the effect in the effect overview. After searching for a while i found that FX4 was also selected as an insert on bus 9/10. Is this normal behavior? That even when it is not set as an insert effect in the effect overview, it still will work as an insert effect. Now i know where to look but it took me some time to figure it out.
 
Re: XiControl

Ok, I have had that happen also, a reboot of the iPad seems to clear that up. The time I ran into that it slowly ground the application almost to a halt over about 20 minutes, a reboot cleared the problem. Gotta also say a 5ghz router has better speed/range, totally worth it...

Even with a reboot, the "stutter" was still there.

Ran through every check I could, but can't think of anything that might be causing it. iOS may have had an update since my last gig there, XiControl did have an update, otherwise everything was the same as prior 'problem-free' events on the same hardware in the same location.
 
Re: XiControl

Yeah I thought of this, but I am running 2x p16d's and it just seems a massive waste of space! Also I tend to put then spaced apart and on the stage so I don’t have huge lengths of cat5 to tape down. Also a 19" 1u case is quite a big box to have on stage for such a small bit of gear! There has to be a more elegant solution!

Any other ideas ? Anyone?

The P16-D is slightly larger than a P16-M. Not by much, though. I would consider using the same method of storage/transportation that you're using for the P16-M's.

We wrap our P16-M's in a face towel, and put them into a small Craftsman tool bag, along with its accessories. (One P16-M per bag.) Then, all of the bags get put in a storage trunk.

Eric H.
 
Re: XiControl

otherwise everything was the same as prior 'problem-free' events on the same hardware in the same location.

Wifi means your neighbors can have an effect on you. Any new jerks blasting your airwaves with a high powered AP potentially causing interference? You state everything else that worked before is the same - but the only thing constant with radio spectrum is change :)

Side rant not related to Paul's message - wireless is great when it works and has its place, and I love all the things and portability I get with my iPad - but wired is *always* better if it portability is not a requirement or otherwise makes sense. It drives me nuts that we have at least four mics on stage *that never move*. Just think of the extra dynamic range we would get simply from eliminating unneeded wireless and cording them up.... Sigh....
 
Re: XiControl

Even with a reboot, the "stutter" was still there.

Ran through every check I could, but can't think of anything that might be causing it. iOS may have had an update since my last gig there, XiControl did have an update, otherwise everything was the same as prior 'problem-free' events on the same hardware in the same location.

Ok, but like I said... I've been there, try out a new router, one that can handle more bandwidth. I use a dual band belkin ac900db that I picked up at Costco for about $80-90. I've also tried other dual band 5ghz routers with the same results... When I use older routers, they have a tendency to exhibit the same sort of problems. I do have to hand it to the Behringer programmers who built XiControl, that little network glitches don't kill the connection for long before it auto reconnects. The other software written for other consoles I've tried can just disconnect and leave you on your own to reconnect...
 
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