X32 Discussion

One simple way needs a little help from B. They have to implement a remote control switch in OSC. The OSC client sends a command that it want to control the fader x.
After getting the request X32 just reports the status of the fader or any other control to OSC only and have a extra OSC command to control the original setting controlled by the fader.

If that is implemented any OSC application can implement any wanted workflow.
After that X32 will be a kind of IPHONE which supports apps ( full remote control ) and a real game changer. Changes of Mute Groups handling, Scene Handling and DCA faders with can be done easily.

All this can not be done with the X32 controller fighting you commands. Control and function has to be separated to be able to implement this.

Maybe using a RasberryPi as an intelligent remote control.

Ciao
Gido
 
Re: X32 Feature Requests

Dave Korman said:
....Very easy to make it a selectable behaviour.
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If you read all those questions about the current behaviour imho is every switchable feature one more which makes the console more complicate and less intuitiv.
as a software engineer you should know the advantage to create modeless systems.
Today I worked with a SL16.4.2 (I'm not really familiar with it) and it takes several minutes find the reason why i do not hear anything soloed on the headphone. --> Solo modes....
 
Re: X32 Discussion

Gido Kuechler said:
One simple way needs a little help from B. They have to implement a remote control switch in OSC. The OSC client sends a command that it want to control the fader x. <snip>
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...or one could have a set of virtual vca faders similar to what is done in the QiC, if you leave the faders you want to use unassigned, then do the processing including the assignments off board and return the values to the sends of choice, anything can be implemented without having to resolve logic conflicts with the board firmware.

...but I like the idea of the remote control switch :thumbup:. If it can't be implemented on a per function or per fasder level, it would still be usefull on a coarser level, and would be great for use with a DAW.
 
Re: X32 Discussion

Gido Kuechler said:
One simple way needs a little help from B. They have to implement a remote control switch in OSC. The OSC client sends a command that it want to control the fader x.
After getting the request X32 just reports the status of the fader or any other control to OSC only and have a extra OSC command to control the original setting controlled by the fader.
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Unless I missunderstand you, isn't this how it works today?
 
Re: X32 Feature Requests

Tim McCulloch said:
Why not? My computer has this nifty mug tray that pops out when I push the button... but sometimes it retracts and dumps my coffee... :(
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That is because you forget to set the safety disc to the correct position. The safety disc is the round shiny plastic object inside the tray, you lift it up slightly and move it roughly half an inch towards the lip of the tray. The safety disc will then lock the tray in the open position.
If you had paid attention at the safety course, you would have remembered this ;)~;-)~:wink:
 
Re: X32 Feature Requests

Mick Berg said:
With all due respect, I think your request is not reasonable. DCA's don't work in the way you describe. It's like asking for the master fader to make you a cup of coffee:lol:


Mick Berg.
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If you glue a spoon to the master fader then it can stir the milk/sugar in your cup of coffee with some added help of a computer. If the fader moves fast enough it will even warm up the coffee :-))

I think that the x32 should be able to do this by itself, w/o the computer, so we really need the x32 to implement automation!
 
Re: X32 Discussion

Robert Lofgren said:
Unless I missunderstand you, isn't this how it works today?
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There is a little difference. You can receive every fader movement for example and can move faders via OSC. But in addition a DCA fader movement changes also the audio output levels of the asscociated audio channels. To change the behavior of the DCA faders movement of the fader by hand or OCS do not has to have an effect on audio until it told so by the OSC partner of the X32.

To Klaus: Your absolut right. A lot more settings didn't help out and made things more complicated. What I proposed is an extension in the OSC protocol implementation. This needs no single switch on the X32 itself. But people who want or need to change the behavior only need a small peace of software on a laptop or embedded system computer. Also you are able to change for example the function of only somes controls. Think about the mute group discussion. B. don't have to bring in additional parameters. The user is able to change it on his own. I think it will make things possible we just can't think about without bring up complexity for the user who don't need or want it.

Ciao
Gido
 
Re: X32 Discussion

Gido Kuechler said:
people who want or need to change the behavior only need a small peace of software on a laptop or embedded system computer. Also you are able to change for example the function of only somes controls. Think about the mute group discussion. B. don't have to bring in additional parameters. The user is able to change it on his own. I think it will make things possible we just can't think about without bring up complexity for the user who don't need or want it.
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As I suggested in post 4903. :D~:-D~:grin: I'm learning the OSC thoughts a little, but didn't think that you needed some more control.
 
Re: X32 Feature Requests

Robert Lofgren said:
I think that the x32 should be able to do this by itself, w/o the computer, so we really need the x32 to implement automation!
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I my mind it would be great to be able change the function on myself on X32.
I don't think B. can do this for all the different wishes because:

- X32 becomes a configuration monster
- The X32 is a very cost effektiv product and I think the control CPU ist designed for good enough plus some headroom
- Running stable is major goal and B. has make clear that they are not the problem if something goes wrong
- Even on iPhone an App can disturb the function of the System i don't want that on my mixer
- If I connect an external device it is my problem if there is a malfunction.

Just some thoughts
Ciao
Gido
 
Re: X32 Feature Requests

Dave Korman said:
That's an invalid argument/flawed logic. A master fader does not have the required physical capabilities to make a cup of coffee. A DCA fader can certainly do what I want - after all, it's not actually a DCA with D/A converters applying a voltage to the gate of a FET to control the gain of a pre-amp, it's just a bit of software calculating the effective gain that needs to be applied to the signal. It's a very simple bit of programming indeed - you just change the logic that you use when scanning the various fader values that are in use on the channel so come up with the effective gain to apply to the channel. Very easy to make it a selectable behaviour. (I'm a software developer and electronics engineer).

Just because something has always worked/been done in a certain way is no reason that it should not be done another way in the future.
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You're absolutely correct. I guess I'm just showing my age!

Mick Berg.

PS Hopefully getting the X32 for my main venue on Monday! Can't wait!:D~:-D~:grin:
 
Scene moves with one button press

Hey guys,

Long time reader, first time poster.

Got my new X32 this week and loved it. Been playing about with it a lot and think I have most of it figured out. But is there a way to stop the dialogue box coming up whenever I hit go to change scene? Really necessary for musical theatre, when quick changes are crucial.
 
Automixer using OSC?

Having read about all the amazing things you guys can do with OSC, would it be possible to implement a Dugan-style automixer?

Mick Berg.
 
XiControl

Did my first gig using the iPad and version 2 of XiControl and noticed the XiControl was almost constantly "stuttering"... small, brief freezes in the screen refresh and control every 10-15 or so seconds. I think others might have mentioned it soon after release... any known causes/fixes?
 
Re: XiControl

Paul Mirtschin said:
Did my first gig using the wireless version 2 of XiControl and noticed the XiControl was almost constantly "stuttering"... small, brief freezes in the screen refresh and control every 10-15 or so seconds. I think others might have mentioned it soon after release... any known causes/fixes?
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I've had that happen with slower older routers running wireless n 2.4ghz, never saw it again after getting a new 5ghz router.
 
Re: OSC - tester application

Kevin Hunter said:
Check out the index.htm site where we discuss osc in more detail, and you will find an osc tester application.

kev
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Hi Kevin,

I hadn't got round to downloading your tester yet - however the x32user.net seems to have been suspended - would it be possible to put the link to the download here - or maybe start a separate OSC thread!

many thanks

Nick
 
Dugan Style via OSC is possible.
But I do not know if the update frequence is fast enough not to cut whole words if an lowered microphone comes in with a signal level again.

Depends on you needs.

In an worship scenario with spoken word over long periods it might work.
I like to make a proof of concept.
Let's see if I find time.

Ciao
Gido
 
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