Re: X32 Expansion Cards
Awesome! Any chance they also include the option for an external world clock too?
Awesome! Any chance they also include the option for an external world clock too?
X32 Discussion
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Re: X32 Permissions
Also it's pretty easy to make copies of the scene files (they are just text, after all) AND you can also manage them from XControl on a PC. I'm already documenting a workflow for when we get our console that will have routine backups and creation/updating of an "in emergency break glass" USB drive that will have vital scene files that is completely separate from any USB drives that are used day to day (or week to week). I think I paid less than $5 each for some 8 gig drives the last time I walked through an Office Depot and they had a bin of 'em on sale by the cash register....
Also it's pretty easy to make copies of the scene files (they are just text, after all) AND you can also manage them from XControl on a PC. I'm already documenting a workflow for when we get our console that will have routine backups and creation/updating of an "in emergency break glass" USB drive that will have vital scene files that is completely separate from any USB drives that are used day to day (or week to week). I think I paid less than $5 each for some 8 gig drives the last time I walked through an Office Depot and they had a bin of 'em on sale by the cash register....
Re: X32 Permissions
It would be nice if we could have an access manager page on the X32 console (and XControl Edit) that had:
- a list of all connected mobile devices (running X apps)
- be able to assign a bus, or bus's for each device for access, advanced access settings for remote XControl software
- be able to enable/disable access from devices, defaulting to disabled if it's a new
- have an indicator (ideally brief history) of each device, and what changes it's made
It would be nice if we could have an access manager page on the X32 console (and XControl Edit) that had:
- a list of all connected mobile devices (running X apps)
- be able to assign a bus, or bus's for each device for access, advanced access settings for remote XControl software
- be able to enable/disable access from devices, defaulting to disabled if it's a new
- have an indicator (ideally brief history) of each device, and what changes it's made
Re: X32 solo channel
The manual says:
Use Channel Solo AFL to listen the channel after the channel fader.
Its there an option to listen channel solo after master? My problem is, when solo a channel the volume its very loud (like I'd have master on 0). This option follows only the channel fader and ignore master fader. I use to mix with channel faders way up to zero and master fader below zero. Should I change the the aproach and mix with master on zero and channel faders below zero?
The manual says:
Use Channel Solo AFL to listen the channel after the channel fader.
Its there an option to listen channel solo after master? My problem is, when solo a channel the volume its very loud (like I'd have master on 0). This option follows only the channel fader and ignore master fader. I use to mix with channel faders way up to zero and master fader below zero. Should I change the the aproach and mix with master on zero and channel faders below zero?
Re: X32 Permissions
I like your list, but it seems a bit much to try to cram into the interface on the X32.
How would you feel if instead the mobile devices connect to xControl on a PC that does all that stuff, and xControl then talks to the X32?
Yes, it's one more piece of equipment - but they can probably deploy all of that (and more) far faster and far easier in xControl on a PC than inside the console itself.
Or some enterprising third party could via OSC - just saying....
I like your list, but it seems a bit much to try to cram into the interface on the X32.
How would you feel if instead the mobile devices connect to xControl on a PC that does all that stuff, and xControl then talks to the X32?
Yes, it's one more piece of equipment - but they can probably deploy all of that (and more) far faster and far easier in xControl on a PC than inside the console itself.
Or some enterprising third party could via OSC - just saying....
Re: X32 solo channel
Hey Eric, I'm curious to the different things a word clock option would get you. Maybe using a "better" word clock, al la Apogee Big Ben, to achieve cleaner results with the mixers sampling? Or is it about connecting external devices to the X32? Thanks for any info!!
I believe there was a setting labeled something like "Solo/MC follows main fader". I could be wrong I don't have the board in front of me. Really what I'm replying with is my surprise someone is saying the solo level is too loud! I can never get enough volume out of the solo in my headphones. It's one if not the most annoying things about the board. Maybe I run my gains a little cooler than others, and so I'm getting less volume.
Otherwise, there is really no "right" way to do it. In an ideal world, every fader is at 0, and your PA is setup to give you whatever coverage and volume you need. Then when things sound buried, you try to "sculpt" away other sources (bring down the level lightly) to allow the buried source to breath. Again this is one of way of going about it. I tend to try and run my master around -5 to 0, and if any faders are seriously reduced to the -30 to -40 range, it's the channels. If I find many of the channel faders are needing serious drops in level, then I may drop my master, raise the others, and accommodate whatever else needs to be shifted. Like anything else in audio, you want good even transference of levels, not serious attenuation points followed or preceded by seriously boosted levels. Hope that makes sense.
Hey Eric, I'm curious to the different things a word clock option would get you. Maybe using a "better" word clock, al la Apogee Big Ben, to achieve cleaner results with the mixers sampling? Or is it about connecting external devices to the X32? Thanks for any info!!
I believe there was a setting labeled something like "Solo/MC follows main fader". I could be wrong I don't have the board in front of me. Really what I'm replying with is my surprise someone is saying the solo level is too loud! I can never get enough volume out of the solo in my headphones. It's one if not the most annoying things about the board. Maybe I run my gains a little cooler than others, and so I'm getting less volume.
Otherwise, there is really no "right" way to do it. In an ideal world, every fader is at 0, and your PA is setup to give you whatever coverage and volume you need. Then when things sound buried, you try to "sculpt" away other sources (bring down the level lightly) to allow the buried source to breath. Again this is one of way of going about it. I tend to try and run my master around -5 to 0, and if any faders are seriously reduced to the -30 to -40 range, it's the channels. If I find many of the channel faders are needing serious drops in level, then I may drop my master, raise the others, and accommodate whatever else needs to be shifted. Like anything else in audio, you want good even transference of levels, not serious attenuation points followed or preceded by seriously boosted levels. Hope that makes sense.
Re: X32 solo channel
Since you are using you channel faders up near zero, you could as well solo channels PFL and select the "Use DIM for PFL" option, or you could monitor PFL on mains and use AFL on channels, in both cases you should be able to even out your monitor volumes.
Since you are using you channel faders up near zero, you could as well solo channels PFL and select the "Use DIM for PFL" option, or you could monitor PFL on mains and use AFL on channels, in both cases you should be able to even out your monitor volumes.
Re: Wiki Manual
Have (sort of) got going on the project, anyone that wishes to get involved please PM me for user registration.
Have (sort of) got going on the project, anyone that wishes to get involved please PM me for user registration.
Re: X32 solo channel
Both - while I don't have a lot of experience with digital, I have been reading and researching quite a bit over last couple of years and one that that seems critical to maximum fidelity and success, especially when interconnecting multiple digital audio devices, is a high quality world clock.
Seems to be similar in concept to genlock with video.
Both - while I don't have a lot of experience with digital, I have been reading and researching quite a bit over last couple of years and one that that seems critical to maximum fidelity and success, especially when interconnecting multiple digital audio devices, is a high quality world clock.
Seems to be similar in concept to genlock with video.
X32 Scene Manager 0.1.10 Released
Hi Folks,
Ive released the next version of the X32 Scene Manager app .
X32 User Net • View topic - X32 Scene Manager 0.1.10 Released
Kev
Hi Folks,
Ive released the next version of the X32 Scene Manager app .
X32 User Net • View topic - X32 Scene Manager 0.1.10 Released
Kev
Re: X32 Permissions
Yes, I think this would be the best way to go. I think it would be too crazy trying to put all that control power into the console itself. Save the setting tracker / setting changelog for an outboard device to manage, such as control software on normal computer or main control app for tablets. Not worthwhile to put on smartphones. I couldn't imagine all that stuff being done on the console itself. Not in 2013.
I think device access and permissions might be possible on the console itself?
As for security of the console itself... Please create a normal set of lockout functions on the console itself, for the operation of the console itself, like the Yamaha LS9.
Yes, I think this would be the best way to go. I think it would be too crazy trying to put all that control power into the console itself. Save the setting tracker / setting changelog for an outboard device to manage, such as control software on normal computer or main control app for tablets. Not worthwhile to put on smartphones. I couldn't imagine all that stuff being done on the console itself. Not in 2013.
I think device access and permissions might be possible on the console itself?
As for security of the console itself... Please create a normal set of lockout functions on the console itself, for the operation of the console itself, like the Yamaha LS9.
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Zipper noise from preamps
Could someone from the behringer camp contact me about a repair? Having zipper noise from the preamp on channel 11 when phantom power is engaged.
Could someone from the behringer camp contact me about a repair? Having zipper noise from the preamp on channel 11 when phantom power is engaged.
Re: X32 Permissions
Thanks, Jan!
I'm not an Apple person, so I didn't even think of that.
Also, I am about to post a new subtopic that involves this issue, plus some "big ideas" (ja, ja) that I think would really augment the entire line of softwares. I'm excited...
~:-D~:grin:
Thanks, Jan!
I'm not an Apple person, so I didn't even think of that.
Also, I am about to post a new subtopic that involves this issue, plus some "big ideas" (ja, ja) that I think would really augment the entire line of softwares. I'm excited...
~:-D~:grin:Conceptual design & nomenclature of the X32 Software/App series
I am really disappointed in the conceptual and nomenclative aspects of the line of softwares for the X32.
Here are some ideas for improvement that could permeate the entire world of Music Group...
Please send a check payable to "Jimmy Holub"...
List of Softwares, new names:
1. X32 Design Center
2. X32 Control Live
3. X32 Monitor Live
----- Details -----
1.0 X32 Design Center
1.1 Previously known as "X32-Edit".
1.2 [rant]I think "Edit" really does not explain very well what people do with this software.[/rant]
1.3.1 Primary Function: advanced design of and/or changes to the X32 system architecture.
1.3.2 Secondary Function: live control of the X32 and its network.
1.4 Primarily designed for Audio Engineers (all types: live, studio, etc.).
1.5 Subject to audio tech permissions via username and password, as specified by an administrator. Useful for permanent installations such as stadia and arenas, especially if they have the rack-mounted version of the X32.
1.6 Software & Hardware Platforms: Advanced (BUT CRASH-RESISTANT) computer software for standard desktop, laptop and rack-mounted computers. Not available on any other type of device.
1.7 OS Platforms: Windows, Mac OSx, Linux.
2.0 X32 Control Live
2.1 Previously known as "XiControl".
2.2 [rant]Seriously? "i"? I am disappointed. Let's not get into the whole narcissistic "i" business, and let's not bind ourselves to the Apple platform. I would like to see Android et al in the future. ...and hey, the new name still has a lower-case "i" in the word "Live", so all the Apple freaks don't get their undies in a bundle.[/rant]
2.3 Primary Function: live control of the entire X32, on the fly.
2.4 Primarily designed for Live Sound Reinforcement Engineers.
2.5 Subject to audio tech permissions as specified by an administrator.
2.6 Software & Hardware Platforms: App for tablets & regular computers. Great smooth interface for Darth Fader. Not available for smartphones.
2.7 OS Platforms: Apple iOS, Android, Windows, Mac OSx, Linux, ??
3.0 X32 Monitor Live
3.1 Previously known as "XiQ".
3.2 [rant]Again... There is no "i" in "team". (Ok, so there is a "me", but "i" digress...) Again, let's not bind ourselves to the Apple platform. I would like to see Android et al in the future. Also, the old name does NOT in any way give an idea of what the heck this software does. All it does is facilitate narcissists in the flattering of themselves, via the "iQ".[/rant]
3.3 Primary Function: control monitors.
3.4 Primarily designed for musicians, but also useable by others in special remote applications who should have restricted control of few mixes or only one mix. Very useful to musicians both on stage and in the studio.
3.5 Advanced permissions configurable from console, Control Live or Design Center. Permissions granted per "X32 Event" (entire set of scenes for a show) or per Admin Account in the X32 control system (i.e. name of a band). App user needs password to acquire access to control a specific monitor mix (each mix can be configured in Design Center to have discrete password), or a different password for the entire set of monitor mixes. Levels of permission (1 monitor mix versus all monitor mixes) and their passwords are created in and administrated via Design Center, Control Live or the console itself.
3.6 Software genre: App available on all types of hardware devices. Smartphones, tablets and regular computers! On tablets and regular computers, the GUI is simply enlarged. Allows musicians/other live users to use whatever portable devices they have. Software for regular computers allows extremely limited access to non-technicians in permanent-installation environments, keeping them safely away from the nuclear weapons of Design Center.
3.7 OS Platforms: Apple iOS, Android, Windows, Mac OSx, Linux, ??
..."well, it sounded like a good idea at the time..." haha all of us have done this at one time or another.
I am really disappointed in the conceptual and nomenclative aspects of the line of softwares for the X32.
Here are some ideas for improvement that could permeate the entire world of Music Group...
Please send a check payable to "Jimmy Holub"...
List of Softwares, new names:
1. X32 Design Center
2. X32 Control Live
3. X32 Monitor Live
----- Details -----
1.0 X32 Design Center
1.1 Previously known as "X32-Edit".
1.2 [rant]I think "Edit" really does not explain very well what people do with this software.[/rant]
1.3.1 Primary Function: advanced design of and/or changes to the X32 system architecture.
1.3.2 Secondary Function: live control of the X32 and its network.
1.4 Primarily designed for Audio Engineers (all types: live, studio, etc.).
1.5 Subject to audio tech permissions via username and password, as specified by an administrator. Useful for permanent installations such as stadia and arenas, especially if they have the rack-mounted version of the X32.
1.6 Software & Hardware Platforms: Advanced (BUT CRASH-RESISTANT) computer software for standard desktop, laptop and rack-mounted computers. Not available on any other type of device.
1.7 OS Platforms: Windows, Mac OSx, Linux.
2.0 X32 Control Live
2.1 Previously known as "XiControl".
2.2 [rant]Seriously? "i"? I am disappointed. Let's not get into the whole narcissistic "i" business, and let's not bind ourselves to the Apple platform. I would like to see Android et al in the future. ...and hey, the new name still has a lower-case "i" in the word "Live", so all the Apple freaks don't get their undies in a bundle.[/rant]
2.3 Primary Function: live control of the entire X32, on the fly.
2.4 Primarily designed for Live Sound Reinforcement Engineers.
2.5 Subject to audio tech permissions as specified by an administrator.
2.6 Software & Hardware Platforms: App for tablets & regular computers. Great smooth interface for Darth Fader. Not available for smartphones.
2.7 OS Platforms: Apple iOS, Android, Windows, Mac OSx, Linux, ??
3.0 X32 Monitor Live
3.1 Previously known as "XiQ".
3.2 [rant]Again... There is no "i" in "team". (Ok, so there is a "me", but "i" digress...) Again, let's not bind ourselves to the Apple platform. I would like to see Android et al in the future. Also, the old name does NOT in any way give an idea of what the heck this software does. All it does is facilitate narcissists in the flattering of themselves, via the "iQ".[/rant]
3.3 Primary Function: control monitors.
3.4 Primarily designed for musicians, but also useable by others in special remote applications who should have restricted control of few mixes or only one mix. Very useful to musicians both on stage and in the studio.
3.5 Advanced permissions configurable from console, Control Live or Design Center. Permissions granted per "X32 Event" (entire set of scenes for a show) or per Admin Account in the X32 control system (i.e. name of a band). App user needs password to acquire access to control a specific monitor mix (each mix can be configured in Design Center to have discrete password), or a different password for the entire set of monitor mixes. Levels of permission (1 monitor mix versus all monitor mixes) and their passwords are created in and administrated via Design Center, Control Live or the console itself.
3.6 Software genre: App available on all types of hardware devices. Smartphones, tablets and regular computers! On tablets and regular computers, the GUI is simply enlarged. Allows musicians/other live users to use whatever portable devices they have. Software for regular computers allows extremely limited access to non-technicians in permanent-installation environments, keeping them safely away from the nuclear weapons of Design Center.
3.7 OS Platforms: Apple iOS, Android, Windows, Mac OSx, Linux, ??
..."well, it sounded like a good idea at the time..." haha all of us have done this at one time or another.
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Re: Conceptual design & nomenclature of the X32 Software/App series
What if any mix bus ...or fader... could be assigned to Monitor Live??
Done in Control Live or Design Center.
What if any mix bus ...or fader... could be assigned to Monitor Live??
Done in Control Live or Design Center.
Re: X32 solo channel
Nope, it's voodoo bullshit. Seriously.
The reason for external word clock is to make multiple digital devices work together without clock synchronization issues.
Nope, it's voodoo bullshit. Seriously.
The reason for external word clock is to make multiple digital devices work together without clock synchronization issues.
Re: X32 Permissions
A separate application, whether it be a tablet app or even a PC/MAC app would be fine in my circumstances, and indeed it'd probably be a better interface than the X32, since the X32 is a pain to enter things like text (wish it had keyboard support).
As for a Thirdparty doing it, I've been thinking about extending the X32's abilities, perhaps if I have some time
The only problem is, the X apps all interface directly with the console, so doing permissions is challenging/impossible without firmware support(or software support in Behringer apps).
But in our situation, I've been thinking that this would be ideal, because there are somethings that we'd like to farm out to other volunteers, like simply handling the wireless mic', muting and unmuting, or levels. We could have someone with a simple interface that had 1 or 2 basic functions on screen, mute and fader, none of the confusion of the whole Xi Control ipad app.
lol, hope you're not serious. It was honestly a big consideration, we demo'd one, and the permissions control was a big selling point for us. However, for everything else, the X32 is exactly what we need, more channels, digital pre-amps, motor faders (in this price range), more industry experience. So no, I won't get a presonus, but if i can make suggestions for the X32 to be better, why not?
Absolutely, though, I agree with Jimmy, that a subset should be available on the X32's console, primarily permissions, I'd like to be able to enable/disable devices that have access to the console from the console its self.
A separate application, whether it be a tablet app or even a PC/MAC app would be fine in my circumstances, and indeed it'd probably be a better interface than the X32, since the X32 is a pain to enter things like text (wish it had keyboard support).
As for a Thirdparty doing it, I've been thinking about extending the X32's abilities, perhaps if I have some time
The only problem is, the X apps all interface directly with the console, so doing permissions is challenging/impossible without firmware support(or software support in Behringer apps). Actually, while we're on the "wish list train", I'd like exactly what you're saying, but only if we had some form of permissions setup to dis-allow doing it ha ha.
But in our situation, I've been thinking that this would be ideal, because there are somethings that we'd like to farm out to other volunteers, like simply handling the wireless mic', muting and unmuting, or levels. We could have someone with a simple interface that had 1 or 2 basic functions on screen, mute and fader, none of the confusion of the whole Xi Control ipad app.
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Re: Pop. crackle and feedback problems
Just an update, we've talked to our dealer and we'll probably get an interm X32 this week while they send this one back to Behringer, it'll be interesting to see if the issue goes away or not.
Yesterday was an interesting one, I wasn't on the board, but I had my XiControl app running watching all levels *just incase* it happened, and guess what, it did!
I took a screen cap of what the ipad was showing for levels at the time:
This was just as it happened, nothing was tweaked or muted before I took the screen cap, so the red muted channels and faders are where they were at the time.
There was no band, just a single wireless lapel going through ch 16. There was a pop, and a slow ramp, just like it used to do (recently we'd had more of a crackle and a very quick ramp).
My question is, how do the FX L/R signals work, is that internal, or linked to an external plug? I can tweak them on the ipad app, but I'd like to know what they actually are, and what they represent on the actual console, as I can't seem to figure out where the corresponding settings are on the console.
Just an update, we've talked to our dealer and we'll probably get an interm X32 this week while they send this one back to Behringer, it'll be interesting to see if the issue goes away or not.
Yesterday was an interesting one, I wasn't on the board, but I had my XiControl app running watching all levels *just incase* it happened, and guess what, it did!
I took a screen cap of what the ipad was showing for levels at the time:
This was just as it happened, nothing was tweaked or muted before I took the screen cap, so the red muted channels and faders are where they were at the time.
There was no band, just a single wireless lapel going through ch 16. There was a pop, and a slow ramp, just like it used to do (recently we'd had more of a crackle and a very quick ramp).
My question is, how do the FX L/R signals work, is that internal, or linked to an external plug? I can tweak them on the ipad app, but I'd like to know what they actually are, and what they represent on the actual console, as I can't seem to figure out where the corresponding settings are on the console.
Re: Pop. crackle and feedback problems
Sorry if this has been covered, but can you show a screen shot of the FX Home page. I'd like to see how you have things assigned to FX1.
Just an update, we've talked to our dealer and we'll probably get an interm X32 this week while they send this one back to Behringer, it'll be interesting to see if the issue goes away or not.
Yesterday was an interesting one, I wasn't on the board, but I had my XiControl app running watching all levels *just incase* it happened, and guess what, it did!
I took a screen cap of what the ipad was showing for levels at the time:
This was just as it happened, nothing was tweaked or muted before I took the screen cap, so the red muted channels and faders are where they were at the time.
There was no band, just a single wireless lapel going through ch 16. There was a pop, and a slow ramp, just like it used to do (recently we'd had more of a crackle and a very quick ramp).
My question is, how do the FX L/R signals work, is that internal, or linked to an external plug? I can tweak them on the ipad app, but I'd like to know what they actually are, and what they represent on the actual console, as I can't seem to figure out where the corresponding settings are on the console.
Sorry if this has been covered, but can you show a screen shot of the FX Home page. I'd like to see how you have things assigned to FX1.
Re: Pop. crackle and feedback problems
Wohh !!!
When we will get a ANDROID APP ??????????
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Any news about the next Firmware update ?
Wohh !!!
When we will get a ANDROID APP ??????????
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Any news about the next Firmware update ?