X32 Discussion
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X32 with Elite Core IM -16
This may have been covered already and I can't find it, is there a bridge or configuration that will let the x32 work with an Elite Core monitoring system?
This may have been covered already and I can't find it, is there a bridge or configuration that will let the x32 work with an Elite Core monitoring system?
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Re: X32 with Elite Core IM -16
Only using the Elite Core I/O interface and setting up your outputs on the X32 as direct outs. While elite core is a nice system, I would use the P16 system over it since it integrates with the X32 already.
Only using the Elite Core I/O interface and setting up your outputs on the X32 as direct outs. While elite core is a nice system, I would use the P16 system over it since it integrates with the X32 already.
Re: X32 Discussion
Its just for a few weeks while someone gets their console repaired. The elite core is already there.
Its just for a few weeks while someone gets their console repaired. The elite core is already there.
If you can spare the outputs then simply set the mixbus 1-16 is direct outputs into the EC interface,
Re: Darth Fader?
I MIDI mapped my APC40 to the 8 DCA faders on my x32 (MIDI Patchbay into OSCulator), just for the fun of it. No real world application since the faders on the APC40 aren't motorized nor the X32 is able to talk back, but if I absolutely had to, I could have a wireless FOH with physical faders and not be bulky or complicated.
I'm with you on that one, and I really hope that the X32 family of consoles will get remote capabilities incorporated, I'll certainly be nagging about it until they give in, but I would very much like to see a lightweight surface wit 13-17 faders, buttons and encoders to function as both a DAW-controller and X32 remote. If I would have to attach an iPad to get screen functionality, I wouldn't mind too much. Quite obviously one could achieve faders with one or more BCF and a computer, but that defeats the purpose because the control position becomes bulky and complicated, and one could just as well set up the X32. Maybe VR goggles and a cyberglove~;-)~:wink:
I MIDI mapped my APC40 to the 8 DCA faders on my x32 (MIDI Patchbay into OSCulator), just for the fun of it. No real world application since the faders on the APC40 aren't motorized nor the X32 is able to talk back, but if I absolutely had to, I could have a wireless FOH with physical faders and not be bulky or complicated.
Re: X32 Permissions
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Re: X32 Permissions
Dear Alan,
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Se'Rita Covarrubias
Supervisor, CARE
Music Group Services
Dear Alan,
I see that our team is working to resolve your issue.
Please let me know if you require additional assistance.
Se'Rita Covarrubias
Supervisor, CARE
Music Group Services
Recording Setup
Hi guys,
I purchased the X32 a few months ago and have only had the chance to do one live show with it. Due to being so busy I haven't had much of a chance to learn the board until now. From what I have done with it, though, I must say I am pleased with both the features and sound quality I am able to achieve.
Just to give you some quick background info from where I'm coming from before asking my main questions: I used to be strictly analog. Digital really wasn't attractive to me until recently. When the board at my church got fried in a lightning storm, I replaced it with a Presonus 16.4.2 (The X32 wasn't released yet). I was immediately sold to digital due to the shear processing capabilities of each channel. I love this board, so sometimes I might mention a feature and ask if it is possible on the X32. For recording, I used a Korg D3200 all in one.
I bought the X32 because it is packed with features and had the channels I needed along with motorization. I am using it both for live use as well as in the studio. That's where I'm having trouble getting started...
Like I said, I've never used a DAW in my life and have only used the D3200. I'm wanting to try and translate the processes used on the Korg into X32/DAW terms. I'm currently using Studio One 2 as my DAW, but I'm also going to look into Tracktion 4 since Behringer is partnering with them. I've managed to route the 32 outputs into the DAW so I can record as well as routing those 32 channels from the DAW back into the X32 (Each channel matches the channel on the board respectively, so for instance channel 1 is routed to channel 1 in the DAW and from the DAW back to channel 1 on the X32).
I'm wanting to do my mixing and processing "out of the box" I think it's called on the X32. I know some have differing opinions on this, but I find I'm able to do a much better job like this. Just humor me
So basically I guess I need advice on how to do what I'm wanting to do.
1.) Doing everything on the X32, I'm going to need 2 tracks to bounce down to so I'll have a master track to export to wherever. How do I do this? Is there a way I can record the master L&R fader into the DAW somehow without having to waste an I/O? I think the Presonus is able to do this somehow so that would be nice.
2.) How do I handle punching in or adding tracks since the card works in banks of 8? It's so simple on the Presonus because with the press of a button you can control each individual channel to be live or firewire. So for example, I've laid down channel one and now I want to play channel one and record channel two. Or maybe play channel one and punch in a section of channel 2. How can I do something like this? Again, I'm thinking in terms of both the Presonus and the D3200, so I'd like to translate this workflow style as close as possible.
3.) How do I manage a click track? Do I have to waste a channel on something like this, or is there another way to get it to come through the X32 so the musician can play along with it?
4.) Am I able to mix and match processing on the X32 and in the DAW? So for instance I have a compressor assigned to a channel on the X32 but also want to use a plugin within the DAW on that same channel. Can this be done or is it a matter of all "in the box" or all "out of the box"?
I think if I could figure these main things out and get a clear direction of how I need to get started I could figure everything else out hopefully. Sorry for the length and the mixing of brands. You just get used to doing things one way for so long and like certain features and it's just a matter of fighting the learning curve and discovering what you can and can't do.
I would really appreciate the help. Again, I'm not new to recording or pro audio, just new to this way of doing things. Thanks!
Hi guys,
I purchased the X32 a few months ago and have only had the chance to do one live show with it. Due to being so busy I haven't had much of a chance to learn the board until now. From what I have done with it, though, I must say I am pleased with both the features and sound quality I am able to achieve.
Just to give you some quick background info from where I'm coming from before asking my main questions: I used to be strictly analog. Digital really wasn't attractive to me until recently. When the board at my church got fried in a lightning storm, I replaced it with a Presonus 16.4.2 (The X32 wasn't released yet). I was immediately sold to digital due to the shear processing capabilities of each channel. I love this board, so sometimes I might mention a feature and ask if it is possible on the X32. For recording, I used a Korg D3200 all in one.
I bought the X32 because it is packed with features and had the channels I needed along with motorization. I am using it both for live use as well as in the studio. That's where I'm having trouble getting started...
Like I said, I've never used a DAW in my life and have only used the D3200. I'm wanting to try and translate the processes used on the Korg into X32/DAW terms. I'm currently using Studio One 2 as my DAW, but I'm also going to look into Tracktion 4 since Behringer is partnering with them. I've managed to route the 32 outputs into the DAW so I can record as well as routing those 32 channels from the DAW back into the X32 (Each channel matches the channel on the board respectively, so for instance channel 1 is routed to channel 1 in the DAW and from the DAW back to channel 1 on the X32).
I'm wanting to do my mixing and processing "out of the box" I think it's called on the X32. I know some have differing opinions on this, but I find I'm able to do a much better job like this. Just humor me
So basically I guess I need advice on how to do what I'm wanting to do. 1.) Doing everything on the X32, I'm going to need 2 tracks to bounce down to so I'll have a master track to export to wherever. How do I do this? Is there a way I can record the master L&R fader into the DAW somehow without having to waste an I/O? I think the Presonus is able to do this somehow so that would be nice.
2.) How do I handle punching in or adding tracks since the card works in banks of 8? It's so simple on the Presonus because with the press of a button you can control each individual channel to be live or firewire. So for example, I've laid down channel one and now I want to play channel one and record channel two. Or maybe play channel one and punch in a section of channel 2. How can I do something like this? Again, I'm thinking in terms of both the Presonus and the D3200, so I'd like to translate this workflow style as close as possible.
3.) How do I manage a click track? Do I have to waste a channel on something like this, or is there another way to get it to come through the X32 so the musician can play along with it?
4.) Am I able to mix and match processing on the X32 and in the DAW? So for instance I have a compressor assigned to a channel on the X32 but also want to use a plugin within the DAW on that same channel. Can this be done or is it a matter of all "in the box" or all "out of the box"?
I think if I could figure these main things out and get a clear direction of how I need to get started I could figure everything else out hopefully. Sorry for the length and the mixing of brands. You just get used to doing things one way for so long and like certain features and it's just a matter of fighting the learning curve and discovering what you can and can't do.
I would really appreciate the help. Again, I'm not new to recording or pro audio, just new to this way of doing things. Thanks!
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Re: Recording Setup
Dear Marcus,
You can certainly route your mix back into the DAW when mixing out of the box, but you will need to use 2 of the 32 outputs. There is a workaround for the banks of 8: On the "card out" page of the ROUTING menu, change one of the banks of outputs to "Out 9-16". Now, that bank of outputs to the DAW will mirror the XLR outputs 9-16 on the back of the X32. This would get your main mix to the DAW because Main LR is assigned to 15 and 16 by default. In order to not waste the other 6 inputs, you can individually assign any channel direct out to the remaining 6 outputs on analog outs 9-14, via the "analog out" page of the ROUTING menu.
For punching in, I would suggest setting up the console in a "split" configuration. For example, you could use the first 16 inputs to be live signal from the XLR inputs. The second 16 inputs can be returns from the DAW. You could of course try a different configuration, such as 24 channels of mics and 8 channels of return from the DAW. For a click track, you will need to use one of your DAW return channels.
You can certainly mix and match your DAW processing with the processing on the X32. Keep in mind the audio feeding the X32 from the DAW would include any processing on your DAW channel strip, and the X32 processing would therefore come after any plugins in the signal chain.
Feel free to PM me anytime if you need any additional help. Best of luck and thanks for choosing the X32!
Best,
John DiNicola
Senior Specialist, Product Support
MUSIC Group
BEHRIGNER
Dear Marcus,
You can certainly route your mix back into the DAW when mixing out of the box, but you will need to use 2 of the 32 outputs. There is a workaround for the banks of 8: On the "card out" page of the ROUTING menu, change one of the banks of outputs to "Out 9-16". Now, that bank of outputs to the DAW will mirror the XLR outputs 9-16 on the back of the X32. This would get your main mix to the DAW because Main LR is assigned to 15 and 16 by default. In order to not waste the other 6 inputs, you can individually assign any channel direct out to the remaining 6 outputs on analog outs 9-14, via the "analog out" page of the ROUTING menu.
For punching in, I would suggest setting up the console in a "split" configuration. For example, you could use the first 16 inputs to be live signal from the XLR inputs. The second 16 inputs can be returns from the DAW. You could of course try a different configuration, such as 24 channels of mics and 8 channels of return from the DAW. For a click track, you will need to use one of your DAW return channels.
You can certainly mix and match your DAW processing with the processing on the X32. Keep in mind the audio feeding the X32 from the DAW would include any processing on your DAW channel strip, and the X32 processing would therefore come after any plugins in the signal chain.
Feel free to PM me anytime if you need any additional help. Best of luck and thanks for choosing the X32!
Best,
John DiNicola
Senior Specialist, Product Support
MUSIC Group
BEHRIGNER
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Re: Recording Setup
Thanks a lot, John. I think I understand the whole routing thing now. So pretty much you have 32 in and out possible and however you distribute those is how it is, correct? I'll play with this and see how it goes. I have a few more possible questions that I may PM you about down the road.
I'm also curious to hear how others who use the X32 for studio and processing do things.
Thanks a lot, John. I think I understand the whole routing thing now. So pretty much you have 32 in and out possible and however you distribute those is how it is, correct? I'll play with this and see how it goes. I have a few more possible questions that I may PM you about down the road.
I'm also curious to hear how others who use the X32 for studio and processing do things.
Re: Recording Setup
For punching in / recording additional takes I usually use aux 1 to 4 set to local / means can still have all 32 tracks coming in from the Daw. For initial mix down to stereo I use the usb recorder and then xfer this to the Daw for "mastering" either in or out the box
For punching in / recording additional takes I usually use aux 1 to 4 set to local / means can still have all 32 tracks coming in from the Daw. For initial mix down to stereo I use the usb recorder and then xfer this to the Daw for "mastering" either in or out the box
Bus Send Pre Insert?
Is it possible to send to a bus, pre insert?
If want to tinker with Waves as a channel insert but concerned about additional latency in the monitors?
Is it possible to send to a bus, pre insert?
If want to tinker with Waves as a channel insert but concerned about additional latency in the monitors?
Re: Bus Send Pre Insert?
If you set the insert point to Post, the Pre EQ, Post EQ and Pre Fader are before the insert
If you set the insert point to Post, the Pre EQ, Post EQ and Pre Fader are before the insert
Re: Recording Setup
This is exactly how I record but I mix down via the internal routing instead of the USB. I have done the USB way but just prefer the internal, plus I can run a analyzer plug in on the record channel that I could not do when mixing to USB.
This is exactly how I record but I mix down via the internal routing instead of the USB. I have done the USB way but just prefer the internal, plus I can run a analyzer plug in on the record channel that I could not do when mixing to USB.
Show report
Just wanted to report a successful experience with X32.
So this was a the final act of a contest that saw 13 bands (all of them with good stage experience - they were finalists...) on stage for a total of 10 hours (15 hours of work).
Indoor venue, pretty much we managed the setup. 26 channels, LR+Sub FOH, 6 wedges. everything done from FOH position.
GEQ calibration (with X32 pink noise source) and sub level done in preparation (this I remember was the only relaxed moment of the day - alone with earplugs...).
The conditions were tough from the endurance perspective, I had to be my own backliner and light man for the first 6 bands then some help came.
Each band had 10 minutes to prepare on stage and 10 minutes for lines check.
The sound was done on the fly. And this is where I was pushed to be faaast with the X32.
Result: totally successful.
X32 experience:
- Multitrack recording prepared on DAW/Mac and hitting Rec. Not a single glitch. Tracks ready for studio editing now.
- Workflow are getting embedded and starting to learn ho to get quick adjustments: eq, gate and compression, per channel, sequential on more channels, per group/buss. Effects adjustments.. Faast. Faaaster!
- On pre-show glitch when recalling a scene from internal scenes froze the board. Rebooted and ready to go.
What I missed or it's not clear:
- The sound level leds on DCAs. Please add this! When I set KBD1 and KBD2 and KBD3 DCAs, I cannot not guess which one to touch...
- rec/stop button for pausing the DAW without grabbing mouse all the time. Eventually I gave up in fear of making mistakes in a rush. BTW is it possible to configure some of the custom buttons on X32 to go send rec/stop without entering in daw mode? Oh my, it IS possible. Room for improvement on my side...
- If I mute a channel on FOH, which Bus setting ensure that it will be muted also on the wedges? PreEQ - PostEQ - PreFader - PostFader? Ah I may have missed something here, as well on how to make stage quieter - excluding completed muted channels (unused mics).
- When sends on fader is active, and I push MUTE on one of the busses "to be sent" is it muting per channel/bus mute combination? Thinking in matrices is not easy :?~:-?~:???:
Overall tough and fun.
thanks
Just wanted to report a successful experience with X32.
So this was a the final act of a contest that saw 13 bands (all of them with good stage experience - they were finalists...) on stage for a total of 10 hours (15 hours of work).
Indoor venue, pretty much we managed the setup. 26 channels, LR+Sub FOH, 6 wedges. everything done from FOH position.
GEQ calibration (with X32 pink noise source) and sub level done in preparation (this I remember was the only relaxed moment of the day - alone with earplugs...).
The conditions were tough from the endurance perspective, I had to be my own backliner and light man for the first 6 bands then some help came.
Each band had 10 minutes to prepare on stage and 10 minutes for lines check.
The sound was done on the fly. And this is where I was pushed to be faaast with the X32.
Result: totally successful.
X32 experience:
- Multitrack recording prepared on DAW/Mac and hitting Rec. Not a single glitch. Tracks ready for studio editing now.
- Workflow are getting embedded and starting to learn ho to get quick adjustments: eq, gate and compression, per channel, sequential on more channels, per group/buss. Effects adjustments.. Faast. Faaaster!
- On pre-show glitch when recalling a scene from internal scenes froze the board. Rebooted and ready to go.
What I missed or it's not clear:
- The sound level leds on DCAs. Please add this! When I set KBD1 and KBD2 and KBD3 DCAs, I cannot not guess which one to touch...
- rec/stop button for pausing the DAW without grabbing mouse all the time. Eventually I gave up in fear of making mistakes in a rush. BTW is it possible to configure some of the custom buttons on X32 to go send rec/stop without entering in daw mode? Oh my, it IS possible. Room for improvement on my side...
- If I mute a channel on FOH, which Bus setting ensure that it will be muted also on the wedges? PreEQ - PostEQ - PreFader - PostFader? Ah I may have missed something here, as well on how to make stage quieter - excluding completed muted channels (unused mics).
- When sends on fader is active, and I push MUTE on one of the busses "to be sent" is it muting per channel/bus mute combination? Thinking in matrices is not easy :?~:-?~:???:
Overall tough and fun.
thanks
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You cannot have level metering on DCAs, it has been explained why several times in this topic. Do a search.
Re: X32 Discussion
That is true as per convention and logic, but you're not supposed to have solo either, and that apparently works, so ......~;-)~:wink:
However, going from doing the processing needed to solo a DCA to effectively having to process all eight path combinations all the time would probably be prohibitive even if there is some logic to "If you have solo, then you can have meters as well!". The workaround is to have the metering page up on the screen, not as convenient when using DCA to basically extend the number of faders, but that's the nature of VCA/DCA.
That is true as per convention and logic, but you're not supposed to have solo either, and that apparently works, so ......
~;-)~:wink:However, going from doing the processing needed to solo a DCA to effectively having to process all eight path combinations all the time would probably be prohibitive even if there is some logic to "If you have solo, then you can have meters as well!". The workaround is to have the metering page up on the screen, not as convenient when using DCA to basically extend the number of faders, but that's the nature of VCA/DCA.
Re: X32 Discussion
Channel mute affects also all mixbusses regardless which tap point is used for the mixbus.
mutes of the mixbus, accessible for instance via 'sends on fader', affects only the current mixbus.
Channel mute affects also all mixbusses regardless which tap point is used for the mixbus.
mutes of the mixbus, accessible for instance via 'sends on fader', affects only the current mixbus.