X32 Discussion

Re: Quality - Is there something I can do?

Robert Lofgren said:
The 'problem' you're mostly having is due to the good quality of the preamps and a digital desk. The preamps are quite neutral and therefor doesn't add any character to the sound, unlike some analog ssl desk or similar. Having no analog eq-strip doesn't help either.

The bad news: This natural sound can be percieved as 'sterile' compared to analog strips or external preamps (since they are built exclusivly to add a character to your sound). In other words, the x32 won't add any character to your input.

The good news: Since the preamps are neutral you won't have any issue running your external preamp to the xlr inputs on your x32. It will preserve all the meat and goodness from your preamp. Just make sure to get the gain structure correctly set.

If you want to add some character to your inputs on the x32 try to use the veq instead of the peq. The veq is more of the british vintage sound of yesteryear. Also, in the fx section there is a tube preamp you can add for that warmth.

Uli has said that more emulations are on the way to add to the x32 goodness but we will probably have to wait until v2 of the firmware before that happens...

Remember, the hard rule is - If it sounds good, then it is good!
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Interesting philosophical question.

So isn't it better to take the raw input as the raw input, then do processing to it in the mixer to get what you want out of it?

It sounds like the OP is using a pre-amp to get a specific sound that isn't what is coming out of the microphone.
 
Re: Quality - Is there something I can do?

Scott Bolt said:
Interesting philosophical question.

So isn't it better to take the raw input as the raw input, then do processing to it in the mixer to get what you want out of it?

It sounds like the OP is using a pre-amp to get a specific sound that isn't what is coming out of the microphone.
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Yes...and no.

Some stuff is still hard to achive in a daw. At times it is the combo of imperfect analog gear that gives you your sought-after sound. Think old vintage strat into a hardwired vintage marshall. No processing of today can give you all the imperfections of that sound.

Yesteryear amps could have an impedance of 250k while modern stuff uses 1M or similar. This affects the eq of a telecaster very much.

The question of vintage vs new will go on for a while ;)
 
Re: Quality - Is there something I can do?

hello

First apologies - certainly I do know U87 is FET-microphone - somehow my mind was straying ( I was in the middle of fixing electric model-train...) and therefore thought of valves getting old...

Some Decades ago JBL was classifying their instrument speakers - K & E-series - as "Sound producers" and 2200-series as "Sound reproducers" ( I still have the brochures...)

Same goes with desks and separate preamps - X32 appears to be "HiFi" - so to be in category "reproducer" - unless you tweak EQ , dynamics and/or effects - then it will become "producer".

With my experience I tend to like the idea, that the most expensive single unit of my sound-system is NOT going to make all my gigs sound the same - after all there IS some variety....
 
Re: X32 Producer

New in this forum.

Just got a Behringer X32, P16-D, P16-M

Any who have the same problem. Intermittent suddenly,short loud white noise in the system.

/Per
 
Re: Quality - Is there something I can do?

HI Scott,

No - I'm just wanting the fidelity of the microphone to come out in the recording.

For example, if I use that mic into a SPL preamp (solid state), into an RME digital input and record, it sounds way more forward. There's nothing too flashy about that preamp, it's just solid state, not crap mind you - but also not high end. Even with no processing from the preamp, the recording is way better than that from the X32. The X32 is not crap - it's just not as good as I feel it should be.

Thanks

Pauly

Scott Bolt said:
Interesting philosophical question.

So isn't it better to take the raw input as the raw input, then do processing to it in the mixer to get what you want out of it?

It sounds like the OP is using a pre-amp to get a specific sound that isn't what is coming out of the microphone.
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Re: Quality - Is there something I can do?

Hi TImo,

Hahah.. I didn't want to pull you up on that one - thought someone else might though, My mind also strays sometimes so I understand 100% :-)

ANyway - back to the issue - I'm not expecting something different from the recording - Just better fidelity - better accuracy I guess. I'm actually not a fan of the distortion so prevalent in some of the old tube gear _most_ of the time. I'll try a preamp into the aux inputs and see if the answer is there.

Thanks
Pauly



Timo Ulkuniemi said:
hello

First apologies - certainly I do know U87 is FET-microphone - somehow my mind was straying ( I was in the middle of fixing electric model-train...) and therefore thought of valves getting old...

Some Decades ago JBL was classifying their instrument speakers - K & E-series - as "Sound producers" and 2200-series as "Sound reproducers" ( I still have the brochures...)

Same goes with desks and separate preamps - X32 appears to be "HiFi" - so to be in category "reproducer" - unless you tweak EQ , dynamics and/or effects - then it will become "producer".

With my experience I tend to like the idea, that the most expensive single unit of my sound-system is NOT going to make all my gigs sound the same - after all there IS some variety....
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Re: Quality - Is there something I can do?

Pauly Mel said:
HI Scott,

No - I'm just wanting the fidelity of the microphone to come out in the recording.

For example, if I use that mic into a SPL preamp (solid state), into an RME digital input and record, it sounds way more forward. There's nothing too flashy about that preamp, it's just solid state, not crap mind you - but also not high end. Even with no processing from the preamp, the recording is way better than that from the X32. The X32 is not crap - it's just not as good as I feel it should be.

Thanks

Pauly
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But even without the tubes the spl (you didn't mention what model) is still a channels strip in a box. That preamp will add its own character to the sound due to its analouge inheritence even though it's solid state. I'd figure that it uses fet to get a tube like character insted of transistors. The x32 uses opamps in ic's.
 
Rpm-tb48 i/o

Hi Chaps,

Does any one of you experience with this RPM-TB48 I/O?

RPM-TB48 I/O | RPM Dynamics

With this I can ran also another 6 I/O on the insert, and use it for live.
FiWi I can use for recording only.
Or should I wait for another type of card from Behringer?
Thank you in advance for your answers.

Jan
 
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Re: X32 Producer

Now we just have to wait for it to show up in stores ;)

I really think this is a SL16.4.2 killer .... which is what I suspect it was designed to be. The Qu-16 is also a formidable opponent in this exact same market and will be a strong competitor ....... when they release new firmware. The Qu-16 is currently crippled in that it can't stream to PC's, can't expand with a stage box, and can't use a remote iPad app. I think that A&H were in a hurry to get this guy out.

I am still having issues with the lack of LCD scribble strips on this model though. Sure, if you only have 16 channels then it looks like there is plenty of room above and below the 8 input faders for strip marking tape. The buss faders are an entirely different matter though. Without labeling, it is going to be nearly impossible to determine what each fader is assigned to without first selecting the channel and reading the LCD at the top.

If I look at it from a perspective of an X32 Rack with a backup control surface, then it seems more palatable. Since I mix from stage, and intend on doing this mostly with my iPad and PC anyway, the lack of LCD scribble strips is less distressing ;)

After all, in all fairness, none of the competitors in this segment have them either.

Perhaps the X32a will have them Uli? ;)

Uli Behringer said:
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Dear all,

I am pleased to announce that we are currently shipping the X32 Producer from our factory.

This now concludes the shipment of all X32 models (Compact, Producer, Rack & Core).

Thank you for your patience.

Warm regards

Uli
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Re: Quality - Is there something I can do?

Pauly Mel said:
HI Scott,

No - I'm just wanting the fidelity of the microphone to come out in the recording.

For example, if I use that mic into a SPL preamp (solid state), into an RME digital input and record, it sounds way more forward. There's nothing too flashy about that preamp, it's just solid state, not crap mind you - but also not high end. Even with no processing from the preamp, the recording is way better than that from the X32. The X32 is not crap - it's just not as good as I feel it should be.

Thanks

Pauly
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Hi Pauly,

I get what you are saying (you like the sound better with the external preamps inline). It is along the lines that Robert Lofgren was saying. I am thinking that the linearity and distortion of the X32 preamps through to the output of the X32 is pretty good and faithfully outputs what is put in (I have no empirical data to back this up at this time though).

It is possible that the nuances created by the external preamp are difficult if not impossible to duplicate within the X32.


 
Noise switching scene with different effects in the rack as insert

So something that I have noticed about the console that I'm not sure could be fixed in a future firmware update or not, when you switch scenes and you have an effect inserted on a channel, when you change scenes (if there is signal passing through the channel at the time of the scene change) that channel will briefly come through the L/R, even if the channel is muted on the current and following scene. This only occurs if that effect was not in the rack in the previous scene.

Anyone else also experience this? The obvious solution is simply to have the same effects rack for an entire show but sometimes I would like to add a de-esser or something in the middle of a show.
 
Re: Noise switching scene with different effects in the rack as insert

Is that effect engine patched to a return in the previous scene and is it unmuted? It may be that the insert patch is recalled prior to the output patch, so the effect return feeds the left and right bus.
 
Re: Noise switching scene with different effects in the rack as insert

Nick Boulton said:
Is that effect engine patched to a return in the previous scene and is it unmuted? It may be that the insert patch is recalled prior to the output patch, so the effect return feeds the left and right bus.
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Today it happened with the effect engine patched as an insert (but not assigned) in the previous scene. I have been able to reproduce it 2 different ways; one with a completely different effect engine in the previous scene and one with the same effect engine set up as an insert but not patched in the previous scene. Unfortunately both were during a show and resulted in a quarter of a second vocal blurb in the middle of a scene change :?~:-?~:???:
 
Re: Best cables for X32

Dan Mortensen said:
Thanks, Uli, this White Paper is definitely something to look forward to.

Regarding filtering, won't an On-line UPS have mains filtering by definition? (On-line meaning inverter charges battery, other inverter converts battery power to AC usable by connected device.) No spikes from the mains could get through the battery to the connected device, right?

Regarding your discussions with Neutrik, who I wasn't aware made cables but am happy to hear different, can you get them to provide you with Powercons for AC input to your devices rather than the IEC cables which can pull loose or fall out? That seems like a notable shortcoming on power amps, especially, but also on the consoles. Having a secure power input would be worth another $5 for sure, if it's that simple. And it would certainly increase the "pro" perception of the products IMO.

Back on topic, having an official Behringer snake cable seems like it will eliminate a variable in that important area and provide confidence to your customers that this critical part of the equation will work correctly.

Thanks,
Dan
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Dan, I too would have liked to see Powercons used on the X32 and S-16, but I have a found a great solution for the IEC's. I use a cable called an IEC Lock that locks on the ground terminal. I ordered these: IL13-US1-SVT-3100-183 Schaffner | Mouser -- Here is a link to the product: IEC Lock can help protect your computer equiptment and servers from becoming accidently disconnected -- I ordered ten of these from Mouser and they are a Class Act! Every X32 and S-16 should have these.Jerry
 
Re: Best cables for X32

Jerry D Palmer said:
Dan, I too would have liked to see Powercons used on the X32 and S-16, but I have a found a great solution for the IEC's. I use a cable called an IEC Lock that locks on the ground terminal. I ordered these: IL13-US1-SVT-3100-183 Schaffner | Mouser -- Here is a link to the product: IEC Lock can help protect your computer equiptment and servers from becoming accidently disconnected -- I ordered ten of these from Mouser and they are a Class Act! Every X32 and S-16 should have these.Jerry
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+1
I use these IEC locking cables too. Switched about two years ago. Really nice.
There are available in Germany/Europe too-->
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