X32 Discussion

Re: scene help please

Pete Stitz said:
Any help appreciated. Seem to be getting some sort of processing on spoken vocals going to center bus. E6's w. new slx shure just coming out garbled. Any other fixes or suggestions appreciated, my first digital board set up.
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So why don't we start with some common mistakes, like routing the effects returns back to the effect sends. If you look at the sends, you'll see that most effect returns are sending back to the effect send buses 13-16, turning all these down, will clear up a lot of garbage.

Your effect send buses are routed to mains, they shouldn't be. Turn off the LR assignment for these buses, these should only be on for subgroups going to the main mix and off for effect- and monitor sends.

You are sending straight from vocal group to matrix 3&4, is this intentional? You are also sending to these matrices from both LR and CM. As it is, aside from potential confusion of having so many routings of a signal to the same destination, in this case, what goes through both LR and straight to matrices will be subject to phase issues because of the GEQ insert on LR.

What channels are coming through garbled?

There are also some issues where your sends for 5 to 10 is sub group, while the assignments on those buses suggest they are not sub groups, but individual buses that should have individual sends. Channel 9 f.e. is sending to monitor 5 and vocal group plus effects.
 
Re: scene help please

Per Søvik said:
So why don't we start with some common mistakes, like routing the effects returns back to the effect sends. If you look at the sends, you'll see that most effect returns are sending back to the effect send buses 13-16, turning all these down, will clear up a lot of garbage.

Your effect send buses are routed to mains, they shouldn't be. Turn off the LR assignment for these buses, these should only be on for subgroups going to the main mix and off for effect- and monitor sends.

You are sending straight from vocal group to matrix 3&4, is this intentional? You are also sending to these matrices from both LR and CM. As it is, aside from potential confusion of having so many routings of a signal to the same destination, in this case, what goes through both LR and straight to matrices will be subject to phase issues because of the GEQ insert on LR.

What channels are coming through garbled?

There are also some issues where your sends for 5 to 10 is sub group, while the assignments on those buses suggest they are not sub groups, but individual buses that should have individual sends. Channel 9 f.e. is sending to monitor 5 and vocal group plus effects.
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Thanks to B*********, a whole new stratum of low-end users can now afford to digitally mess up the sound...
 
Re: scene help please

Dick Rees said:
Thanks to B*********, a whole new stratum of low-end users can now afford to digitally mess up the sound...
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Its all about the routing. Sometimes you want the uptowen train, sometimes the crosstown train. Get on the wrong train and it is unlikely you end up where you want to be.
 
X32-Mix

HOW COME - you can ASSIGN "Assignable Controls" i X32-Mix for iPad - But not USE them ... The opposite would be a lot more useful - use but not assign ??

Behringer - Please... Especially when "we" get the Core - reaching for the buttons in a rack hidden away for the buttons makes no sense - BUT pressing all 3 x 8 buttons and rotating 3 x 4 encoders in X-32 Mix makes perfect sense
 
Re: X32 for Pro Tools DAW control

Chris Wadden said:
Using the one on the XUF card. I would assume the other is for "remote control" of the X32 itself, not DAW control.
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Yes, you have got Card Midi through the XUF interface and Midi Midi, make sure the appropriate one is enabled on the Setup - Routing tab

In the early days, a few firmware versions ago, I tested the setup with the Midi out and a midi interface and never bothered with using the Xuf midi option, that worked then, and I haven't seen the need or the desirability to burden the Xuf with the midi communication.
 
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Re: X32 Discussion

Hi guys. If this is not the right place to post some feature-requests, please point me to some apropriate thread.
I just bought an x32 and tested it intensively for a week now. There is much i like, but – that being said – some things i dont like and that i think could be done better:


  • I need some way to export/import the whole library to/from computer and to/from USB.
  • I need a forth type of bus (see explanation below).
  • there should be a way to individualy color the assign-displays.
  • inputs shoud be allowed to become directly fed by an output, circumventing DA/AD-conversion.
  • It would give 7 additional color-codes if the displays could be individually inverted (just one additional bit needed!)
  • as summing of signals is done digitally (by software?) - is there any reason why there is no 7th matrix?
  • It should be possible to playback PCM-WAV in 24bit and 32bit. And please consider mp3.
  • L/R main, matrixes and M/C-Mono busses should be assignable to mute-groups.
  • iPhone 4s X32-Q seems to be unable to enter IP-adresses correctly.
  • The network layer should be able to understand DHCP or APIPA.
  • SETUP:Snippets should be editable and exportable to/from pc.
  • custom icons, no icon editor, just the posibility to import a well defined format.
  • I hope - as memory chips got really cheap today - you have'nt limited system memory; so a way to brand the startup by a png of defined size logo below the X32 logo would be a great and easy to implement gimmick.
  • some areas (connection from editor, brand logo, library save slots, update) should be configurable for password protection.
  • editor should support copy&pase of channel settings and inserting/deleting of channels by moving everything except assigned physical input up/down. Great if you just configured 14 channels and then notice that you just forgot a channel between 5 and 6:)
  • it should be possible to show a frequency analysis of the selected input channel on screen.
  • As S/PDIF on RCA is roughly electrical compatible to RCA-audio - is the A/D-converter resolution good enough to let the software reinterpret the signal as S/PDIF?



I'm not shure which part of the signal path is processed by dedicated hardware chips and what is simply software (bloody details welcome ;-] ), DAWs like Cubase etc. show how much can be done solely by software. I have not yet looked inside the box, so here is some guessing involved I think – and as a programmer, this kind of thinking has some experience involved – most of my requests should be fairly easy to implement.

== The Forth BusType ==

While the other requests should be pretty obvious, the forth type of busses needs some explanation. When doing stereo effects like delay, the delay engine is fed by two busses and their only purpose is to provide often minor differences in amplitude between L and R. So we're using up two faders (we always need just one) and we're using up two busses just for transfering input data that basicaly consists of two times the same sample in different amplitude and that could also be decribed by ONE sample and an additional byte just encoding the panning. So if this is done by software (like in most DAWs), here is my suggestion for a forth bus-type: the PannedMonoBus.
It could be reasonable implemented like this: The send provides the amplitude (volume), a second-layer controller lets you choose, if you want to get the panning from the master L/R panner or if you want relatively or absolutely set a different panning. This be calculated and transfered in combination with every sample.
Example, assuming the scale may be -1…0…+1: at a given time, a sample of -0.5/L+2 is fed into the bus from Ch3 and a sample of -0.2/R+3 is fed from Ch4. This could be calculated to a resulting sample with a given resulting panning. So this Bus would be exactly what i named it: a PannedMonoBus.

If you still dont know what 'm talking about, just look at you master fader - this is one hardware fader controlling a software stereo-bus. exactly that i would like to have as a forth bus-type, i just suggested a way to lossless compress the data (programmers tend to be complicated ;-) ).

The bonus would be, that we could could use our stereo-effects much more intuitively! Because, when i set up a reverb, i want to pan the voice according to the position of the singer and have the room-reverb respect that panning. A pannedMonoBus defaulting to the current master panning would give me just that. And by having PannedMonoBusses, i could drive my 4 FXes thrue stereo and still have 12 busses left for external effects and monitor wedges.

If this is done by the software of the console, this could be implemented fairly easily, because i could do it.

So – uli – please do it

Regard, rhavin
 
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Re: scene help please

Thanks Per and Tim,

I'll fix the effects and the vocal group routing. LR and CM are only things going to matrix's. 1 is mono PA send. 3&4 are media sends.

All spoken mics are going to CM without any intended processing. When soloed in headphones I hear some slight processing going on. The E6's just sound unintelligible no matter what i do eq wise, mic position or cap wise.

Bus 1-5 are monitors 6,7 are groups and 8 is a sub send placed there for convenience to LR. Is there a better way to do this? I have an open slot on the next layer. Ch.1-7, 9 vocal mics. Ch.8,10-12 spoken mics.
 
Re: scene help please

Pete Stitz said:
Thanks Per and Tim,

I'll fix the effects and the vocal group routing. LR and CM are only things going to matrix's. 1 is mono PA send. 3&4 are media sends.

All spoken mics are going to CM without any intended processing. When soloed in headphones I hear some slight processing going on. The E6's just sound unintelligible no matter what i do eq wise, mic position or cap wise.

Bus 1-5 are monitors 6,7 are groups and 8 is a sub send placed there for convenience to LR. Is there a better way to do this? I have an open slot on the next layer. Ch.1-7, 9 vocal mics. Ch.8,10-12 spoken mics.
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Pete, can you describe what you call "slight processing"? There is a documented issue with the headphone circuit whereby it picks up internal console noise, but this should be audible when any channel is PFL'd to the headphones (even empty channels).

As for the earset mics being unintelligible, that could be a number of problems. I gather you've been doing audio long enough that we don't need to lead you through wireless mic/transmitter/receiver gain staging, etc., and that you have a grasp of potential RF issues (i.e. you've run a channel scan or at least are trying pre-coordinated frequency lists germane to your locale. Other possibilities include having too-sensitive model E6s, too much AF gain at the transmitter. Let's deal with mixer issues first... ;)
 
Re: scene help please

Pete Stitz said:
Thanks Per and Tim,

I'll fix the effects and the vocal group routing. LR and CM are only things going to matrix's. 1 is mono PA send. 3&4 are media sends.

All spoken mics are going to CM without any intended processing. When soloed in headphones I hear some slight processing going on. The E6's just sound unintelligible no matter what i do eq wise, mic position or cap wise.

Bus 1-5 are monitors 6,7 are groups and 8 is a sub send placed there for convenience to LR. Is there a better way to do this? I have an open slot on the next layer. Ch.1-7, 9 vocal mics. Ch.8,10-12 spoken mics.
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I assume that not all the wireless ch 9 to 12 are spoken word since they are routed differently, but just in case they are, channel 9 and 12 has got very high gain for a wireless, so there might be something in your receiver output or the beltpack gain or the actual microphones.
If you could tell me the actual channel numbers of the mics you are referring to I might be more specific as to actual causes of specific problems.
How are you soloing, are you actually using the solo function on individual inputs or are you soloing by listening through the mains with only one channel unmuted?
Since nearly everything is muted in the scene file, it is hard to tell what might be active when you are using it, are only the group mutes getting unmuted or are you also unmuting some sends?
 
Re: Core

My X32 Core was delivered today. I hooked it up, and checked it out. Everything seems to be working ok. I couldn't enable Talkback B from X32 Edit, but it's ok with the iPad software. I have a gig tonight, and am debating whether to leave the X32 in the truck, and just set up the Core.
 
Re: Core

Dick Franks said:
My X32 Core was delivered today. I hooked it up, and checked it out. Everything seems to be working ok. I couldn't enable Talkback B from X32 Edit, but it's ok with the iPad software. I have a gig tonight, and am debating whether to leave the X32 in the truck, and just set up the Core.
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Dear All,
The new version of X32-Edit will allow you to use a MIDI controller such as the BCF2000 to control your X32 CORE (or whichever console is connected to X32-Edit). You will need to have the BCF2000 connected to your computer for this to work, and have X32-Edit running and connected to the X32-CORE. We hope to have this new update available soon.

@ Dick Franks, congratulations on getting X32 CORE! Let us know how you like it on the gig.
 
Re: Core

John DiNicola said:
Dear All,
The new version of X32-Edit will allow you to use a MIDI controller such as the BCF2000 to control your X32 CORE (or whichever console is connected to X32-Edit). You will need to have the BCF2000 connected to your computer for this to work, and have X32-Edit running and connected to the X32-CORE. We hope to have this new update available soon.

@ Dick Franks, congratulations on getting X32 CORE! Let us know how you like it on the gig.
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Thank you very much for answering fast, John

best regards

Klaus
 
Re: Core

John DiNicola said:
Dear All,
The new version of X32-Edit will allow you to use a MIDI controller such as the BCF2000 to control your X32 CORE (or whichever console is connected to X32-Edit). You will need to have the BCF2000 connected to your computer for this to work, and have X32-Edit running and connected to the X32-CORE. We hope to have this new update available soon.

@ Dick Franks, congratulations on getting X32 CORE! Let us know how you like it on the gig.
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Just did the soundcheck using the X32 Core. So far so good!
 
Re: Core

John DiNicola said:
Dear All,
The new version of X32-Edit will allow you to use a MIDI controller such as the BCF2000 to control your X32 CORE (or whichever console is connected to X32-Edit). You will need to have the BCF2000 connected to your computer for this to work, and have X32-Edit running and connected to the X32-CORE. We hope to have this new update available soon.

@ Dick Franks, congratulations on getting X32 CORE! Let us know how you like it on the gig.
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and that, my friend, has been all that was standing between me and 3 new X32rack/cores. Praise be to Uli.
 
Re: Core

John DiNicola said:
Dear All,
The new version of X32-Edit will allow you to use a MIDI controller such as the BCF2000 to control your X32 CORE (or whichever console is connected to X32-Edit). You will need to have the BCF2000 connected to your computer for this to work, and have X32-Edit running and connected to the X32-CORE. We hope to have this new update available soon.

@ Dick Franks, congratulations on getting X32 CORE! Let us know how you like it on the gig.
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So, with the bcr2000 I will have access to all 32 faders at once? :)

Is this functionality using rtp-midi or some other protocol and is this new functionality mackie protocol compatible?
 
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X32-Edit and 15" touchscreen

The screen resolution of a 15" touchscreen attached to a Mac Mini makes it impossible to drag a fader to 'zero' ( down ) with the pointer,
since the mouse / pointer is attached to the bottom of the fader...
I'm going to experiment with hiding the menubar, but attaching the mouse / pointer to the top of the fader would be very welcome...
We have a couple of 15" touchscreens and are preparing for the X32 core...

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Hiding the Mac's menubar in X32-Edit app doesn't help, the X32-Edit window can't be draged higher on the screen...
I may try SwitchRes to expand the touchscreen's resolution...
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I noted that when the fader is down, the pointer is attached to the bottom edge of the fadercap...
When the fader is up, the pointer is attached to the top edge of the fadercap...
The pointer / mouse attachement point moves clearly when moving the fader up / down

Hmhh...


Maybe I'm overlooking something ?
Thanks for help
and best regards

Klaus
 
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