X32 Discussion

Re: X32 Live recording

Per Søvik said:
Go right ahead, you can do it all in one post so we don't get pages upon pages of the stuff.

But is it really that hard to skip a post you are not interested in, are you compulsively bound to read every message and click every link?
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i dont click on any of hte mix links, but I am interested in following the discussion around this mixer. if each poster in this thread did just what you suggest, we'd have pages upon pages of mixes to skip.

A separate thread or forum for posting board feeds could be interesting, but as already commented on, they are not the most accurate barometer of a show. If the gig is in a small room, the guitar amps are too loud, if Animal is playing the cymbals, those channels might not even make it to the recording. What is the point of cluttering up a thread about any mixer at that point?

If I am out of line or the only one annoyed by this, so be it, but over about 8 years or so of following this and hte prosoundweb forums, I cannot remember so many mixes being posted in threads about a specific product.
 
Re: X32 Live recording

Timo Ulkuniemi said:
Hello

I have had the same problem - and me thinks it is because of the loudness of the band - in USB-stick recording vocals are too loud, drums and guitars are too quiet, bass is about right - so I thought, that putting a pair of boundary mics on the floor - one on both sides of drums well in front of amps somewhere no-one steps on them - and then mix it into pa-signal perhaps using matrix - would yield some semidescent result - anybody with experience please comment.

Time to hit the hay ...
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just put a recorder (zoom h4n is nice enough) at foh and mix the board an audience feeds together later. dont forget that there is propagation delay between the stage and foh. I did a recording/taper gig a few weeks ago, and while the system tech dialed in what felt like the proper amount of delay, I could not notice until it was too late that the audience and board feeds were not totally synced because the bass from the PA overwhelmed what my ears were getting from the headphones. It didnt matter, as I was recording 4 channels of audio, but there are other things id personally like to get done at a gig than syncing atmospheric mics at a jv level show.

Since the mixer in question has multitracking capabilities, why not use them, instead?
 
Re: Recording with x32

my live "bored tapes" <sic> sound like krap

i expect nothing less in a smaller venue

i'v spent most of the last 5 yrs mixing around the loudest thing on stage

if i bothered to print it
the mix would be tons of vx and toms
kick, acoustics and various other insturments
and what ever [bass or "that guitar"] bled thru the vocal mics

your mix is a mirror image of
what you can hear in the room

obviously larger/outside gigs that require reinforcement
of "everything" on stage will yield a more palatable recording

it's not rocket science
except for the loud part...
 
Re: Recording with x32

Mike Horn said:
my live "bored tapes" <sic> sound like krap

i expect nothing less in a smaller venue

i'v spent most of the last 5 yrs mixing around the loudest thing on stage

if i bothered to print it
the mix would be tons of vx and toms
kick, acoustics and various other insturments
and what ever [bass or "that guitar"] bled thru the vocal mics

your mix is a mirror image of
what you can hear in the room

obviously larger/outside gigs that require reinforcement
of "everything" on stage will yield a more palatable recording

it's not rocket science
except for the loud part...
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When you have a desk that's got some good routing functions, you can work around the missing stuff in the mix. In my venue, the guitars are almost always the least reinforced item on the board recordings. So for the 2-track output bus routed off a matrix send, I've got the main mix routed to that matrix as usual, but then I take a tap as well from the guitar groups and route that to the 2-track out so they sit in the recording better. It makes for much better balanced recordings.
 
Re: X32 Rack

Dan Mortensen said:
If you've already discussed this I missed it, but how are you going to do 64 channels, to how many outputs?
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Basically sending submixes from Rack to the six FOH aux ins via AES50, and outputting stuff to the S16, maybe returning some stuff to the X32Rack via the 6 aux ins on the Rack if need be. If there is need for exchange of more than six channels, one would have to sacrifice some of the 64 channels. A bit of careful planning as to what goes where, keeping the labour intensive channels on the FOH console and the set-and-forget channels on the Rack, there shouldn't be too much need jumping between the console and the X32-Edit. Scenes can be Midi synced, so that's no big deal either.
 
Re: X32 Rack

Per Søvik said:
Basically sending submixes from Rack to the six FOH aux ins via AES50, and outputting stuff to the S16, maybe returning some stuff to the X32Rack via the 6 aux ins on the Rack if need be. If there is need for exchange of more than six channels, one would have to sacrifice some of the 64 channels. A bit of careful planning as to what goes where, keeping the labour intensive channels on the FOH console and the set-and-forget channels on the Rack, there shouldn't be too much need jumping between the console and the X32-Edit. Scenes can be Midi synced, so that's no big deal either.
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OK, thanks, I thought maybe you had some secret routing method. What you describe is the way I'd do it, too, when not much monitor mixes are needed.

When more monitor mixes are required, a third Rack/Core would make sense as a summing matrix, maybe, rather than subtracting from inputs. I haven't tried it yet, though...

Pretty sure someone discussed this idea here before, but don't recall if anyone said they'd actually done it.

Thanks,
Dan
 
Re: X32 Rack

Dan Mortensen said:
OK, thanks, I thought maybe you had some secret routing method.
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Oh, you wanted to know my secret method? I'm not going to give that away now, am I? :lol:


I've been thinking of getting a Core as a main summer and then just route the 16 buses from each head X32 into the 32 inputs of the core, but I haven't got the need for it, so I'm not wasting my money just yet.
 
Re: X32 Rack

Excellent idea.
I am still thinking to use core as dynamic processors for Expanders on 32 channels via AES50. I am missing them.
And after that Multirack on Mac or LiveProfessor on PC.

Per Søvik said:
Oh, you wanted to know my secret method? I'm not going to give that away now, am I? :lol:


I've been thinking of getting a Core as a main summer and then just route the 16 buses from each head X32 into the 32 inputs of the core, but I haven't got the need for it, so I'm not wasting my money just yet.
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Re: X32 Rack

Per Søvik said:
Oh, you wanted to know my secret method? I'm not going to give that away now, am I? :lol:


I've been thinking of getting a Core as a main summer and then just route the 16 buses from each head X32 into the 32 inputs of the core, but I haven't got the need for it, so I'm not wasting my money just yet.
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I'm hoping that the berry guys will allow for linking of the x32 devices since all infrastructure is already in place with oob-channel in aes50 and (almost) all signals being present in the aes50 as well...

In version 2 of the firmware perhaps? :)
 
Re: Recording with x32

Joe Sanborn said:
Dear Guys,

Please use the following link to dowload the new X32-Edit app.
Please make sure you are at firmware 1.15 when using this new version of X32-Edit.

MUSIC Group: Temporary Downloads Page

New Features:
• X32-Edit 1.20 can be extensively remote controlled via Mackie Control Universal or compatible
control surfaces
• Consequently, the console directly controlled by X32-Edit 1.20 can also be remote controlled
from another X32 surface by engaging its DAW Remote function
• USB Recorder tracklist can now be displayed remotely, and the general performance has been
improved
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I picked up a BCF2000, and am trying to get it to work with X32-Edit, but not having any luck. Has anybody tried this yet?
 
Re: Recording with x32

Dick Franks said:
I picked up a BCF2000, and am trying to get it to work with X32-Edit, but not having any luck. Has anybody tried this yet?
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I got the first 8 channels faders to work on the BCF2000. I can also program the L/R master. Can't get any of the other faders on the controller.
 
X32-Edit with BCF2000

Dick Franks said:
I got the first 8 channels faders to work on the BCF2000. I can also program the L/R master. Can't get any of the other faders on the controller.
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I discovered that if I turn on the BCF2000, setting it to a different emulation mode (MC C), then the presets can be incremented to control banks CH1-8, CH9-16, CH17-24, CH25-32, AUX IN, FX RET, Bus Master 1-8, Bus Master 9-16, Matrix 1-6 & LR & MC, DCA1-8. The faders work as expected, and buttons above the fader will mute the channel and select that channel in x32-edit, and the encoders will control pan, or gain, eq, or the user assignable encoders (using the Store, Edit, Learn and Exit buttons). One issue right now is that the display shows "PA" for all banks.
 
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Re: X32-Edit with BCF2000

Dick Franks said:
I discovered that if I turn on the BCF2000, setting it to a different emulation mode (MC C), then the presets can be incremented to control banks CH1-8, CH9-16, CH17-24, CH25-32, AUX IN, FX RET, Bus Master 1-8, Bus Master 9-16, Matrix 1-6 & LR & MC, DCA1-8. The faders work as expected, and buttons above the fader will mute the channel and select that channel in x32-edit, and the encoders will control pan, or gain, eq, or the user assignable encoders (using the Store, Edit, Learn and Exit buttons). One issue right now is that the display shows "PA" for all banks.
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Thank you Dick
can you confirm that scrolling banks is not reflected in X32 / X32-Edit app ?

Best

Klaus
 
Clocking from X32 / S16 to ext. ?

Anybody uses AES out / ADAT out and is clocking from X32 / S16 to external equipement ?

Or vice versa ?

I'm used to D/A in the speakerprocessor, don't want to convert twice...

Hopefully the interface cards will have WordClock i/o

Questions....questions... questions...

Best

Klaus
 
Re: Clocking from X32 / S16 to ext. ?

I am using AES/EBU from X32 to ElectroVoice DC One. Working without any problem.

Jan

Klaus Roethlisberger said:
Anybody uses AES out / ADAT out and is clocking from X32 / S16 to external equipement ?

Or vice versa ?

I'm used to D/A in the speakerprocessor, don't want to convert twice...

Hopefully the interface cards will have WordClock i/o

Questions....questions... questions...

Best

Klaus
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