X32 Discussion

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The user interface of a large modular system can of course quickly become very complicated, and at some point it would make sense to split this into two levels, where you have the normal user interface as we see it today, and than have a "systech module" in the form of an extra piece of software that is used to configure the system and the modules at a deeper level than what is practical and advisable for the standard user interface.
This software module would do things like password protection, locking features from standard users, create "level 2" users with unlock key code on a USB stick, setting routing parameters, build configurations not commonly used (like multi channel outputs controlled by main fader ;)~;-)~:wink: ) (build single fader stereo inputs) etc. etc.
 
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The black box would be perfect, I would house it at the stage for stage patch connectivity maybe use a S16 for second patch on stage, and using a Wireless access point do FOH wherever I wanted from my laptop and mouse-





QUOTE=Christian Boche;36055]This is an EPIC idea!
Basically this would be some kind of Mackie DL1608 contender, but with way more powerful features!!!

There a lots of gigs, where you just have to mix one band or to mix in tiny locations, where one S-16 get's the job done. This could be easly done with a 2U (2HE) blackbox version of the X32/X16.

Like mentioned before, it would be nice to have at least the AUXin/outs, Talkback, AES50, USB, Ethernet and Ultranet outs. No faders, no Display, no Encoder...just a blackbox. If you do need physical faders, maybe you could hook up Behringer BCF2000.
BTW: This could be a cost effective "emergency solution"as well. Back in the days, we were all used to bring a spare PSU anlong for our analog desks. Now we could bring a complete spare desk in a 2 or 3U format for nearly the same price!

I'm in, if this could be offered for about 700-900,- EUROs. Basically the Xremote can control the complete desk, together with the P-16M and iPad remote you should be able to mix a standard/basic band setup with this. Like the Mackie DL1608, but with recallable micres, better and more FX and so on. Could be a nice InEar Monitor rackmixer too.
I like this idea very much! And mixing just with a tablet PC is doable, if you know the band.







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re: X32 Discussion

Christian Boche said:
Basically this would be some kind of Mackie DL1608 contender, but with way more powerful features!!!
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If all the audio stays in the box and it's on stage, then it reminds me more of the iLive mixrack.

Christian Boche said:
Could be a nice InEar Monitor rackmixer too.
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I think this might be one of the best uses. The P16 and other 16 channel offerings are nice, but the Roland monitoring kit is the only one that I'm aware of that has a high channel count, enough to handle a large stage and essentially replace a monitor desk for a big set. If permissions could be set in software so that all the users could control only their own mix (like in the StudioLive apps), then this would be awesome for monitors. It would be small and unobtrusive, and could share input from the S16(s) that feed the FOH desk. Plus, being separate from the FOH desk would give a certain amount of comfort in case one of the users/musicians jacks something up somehow.
 
re: X32 Discussion

Effects on X32..... I have a few questions just about effects:

1. Seems to me that you can have only 4 stereo "aux send" type of effects, and you can't break them down, to say, have a dual mono type of slot. Ideally, I'd like two mono delays, stereo vocal verb, stereo drum verb, and stereo utility effect (phasing, chorus, pitch, etc). I don't think I can accomplish this with the built-in effects. Can anyone confirm a way to accomplish this?

2. You don't get the same effects selection to be able to insert an effect on a channel, say, to insert a verb just on the snare channel in order to not use up one of the four fx slots?

3. Scrolling through the unit at a GC, I didn't see the pitch shifter (?)

4. Can you save different effects settings like you could on outboard units?

5. Can you have a scene recall only a different set of effects, leaving the rest of the desk as-is?

6. When playing with the X32 at GC, seemed that if you had a stereo linked set of faders, if you try moving both faders, it was fighting you, so you were forced to just move one fader and have a slight lag of the other. Is this normal for this console? (I know, not only applicable to effects, just got on a roll with questions, lol)

Thanks.
 
re: X32 Discussion

cevinreed said:
6. When playing with the X32 at GC, seemed that if you had a stereo linked set of faders, if you try moving both faders, it was fighting you, so you were forced to just move one fader and have a slight lag of the other. Is this normal for this console? (I know, not only applicable to effects, just got on a roll with questions, lol)

Thanks.
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You normally use one fader and let the other one follow. When you push both they will fight to move the other one so you will feel resistance. Remember that any lag on the following fader is not lag in the audio change just a lag in the fader moving... I hope that made sense. So it is not a problem. I have had this on other digital desks.
 
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It's the same behavior as with other digital consoles i think. But even the bigger consoles do this. It's a getting used thing when you come from analogue. Not a big think IMO... But understandable!
 
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Alan Geering said:
You normally use one fader and let the other one follow. When you push both they will fight to move the other one so you will feel resistance. Remember that any lag on the following fader is not lag in the audio change just a lag in the fader moving... I hope that made sense. So it is not a problem. I have had this on other digital desks.
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Yes, every digital console I've seen with a fader pair does this. Use one fader, or unpair the fader movements if you really can't let go of moving both. Many consoles allow partial linking of channels, so everything could be linked except the faders - not sure if the X32 can do this.
 
Mute Group Setup Confusion (Linked Channels)

I was setting up some Mute Groups today, and noticed (what I think is) confusing behavior, in regards to linked channels.

Firmware is 1.07.

I’m doing this from memory. Forgive me if I make a mistake:

1. Select a Channel. (Let’s say Channel 17.)
2. Make sure it’s linked to its neighboring Channel. (Let’s say Channel 18.)
3. Select Mute Groups.
4. Hold down the Mute Group 1 button (for example).
5. Press Select on Channel 17. The Select light will illuminate on Channel 17, but not on Channel 18. At this point, it appears Channel 17 is part of Mute Group 1, and Channel 18 still needs to be assigned to Mute Group 1. (This is not the case, as we'll see in the next two steps.)
6. Let go of the Mute Group 1 button.
7. Hold down the Mute Group 1 button again. The Select light on both Channels 17 and 18 will illuminate.

This behavior is not consistent with the channel Mute button behavior, nor is it consistent with the channel Solo button behavior. (When either of those are pressed on a linked channel, both illuminate.)

In my humble opinion, to avoid confusion, that when setting up Mute Groups, that the Select lights for linked channels should both go on/off when either is pressed.

Eric H.
 
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Sends on Fader Button

I would like to see the "Sends on Fader" button blink, like the "Clear Solo" button does.

When using "Sends on Fader" on Buses, it puts the "channel" layer in a state where there is no indication that what you're viewing is the channel Sends level for the selected Bus.

Like Solo, it's easy to forget that the "Sends on Fader" is still selected.

Like the blinking "Clear Solo" button, a blinking "Sends on Fader" button would be a reminder that the channel faders are displaying something other than their "normal" state.

Eric H.
 
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The pitch shifter is located on FX processors 1 and 2 only at this time. I originally thought it wasn't included either.
 
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Eric Hill - USA said:
Both pitch shifting and correction was mentioned in post #1090.

Eric H.
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Absolutely right. The pitch shifting update and pitch correction, it seems, was in reference to V2 firmware though. Who knows when V2 will be released, but the current firmware has pitching shifting available on FX processors 1 and 2. I honestly don't think it sounds that great but to each his own.
 
re: X32 Discussion

Uli Behringer said:
Dear all,

Over the past few months, many people have been reaching out to us and requested an iPad/PC Control remote control version of the X32 digital mixer without any physical control elements.

This could be either a tabletop or rack-mount version where you just connect your I/O’s plus a wireless router and you’re ready to go.

What is your view and could you please also share your requirements such as configuration, front or back connectors, price, etc?

Many thanks

Uli

P.S. Thanks Eric for spotting the connector issue in the manual. We will correct it in our next documentation version as the units are assembled correctly.
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Single rack space for control of 2 or more S16's (3 would be steller). Able to have multiple remotes with a lockout function. Software option to tap from a post fade post EQ mix at unity- seperate master mix for monitors or tap from front of house for a board feed to recording device or video. $299 US street price would be unbeatable. I would pay more.
 
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quick question about "solo" and selecting channels.
I got to work on a Yamaha ls-9 this weekend, and I like how when I solo a channel or move the fader, it automatically gets selected and I can immediately see it on the screen.
does anyone know if there is a way to link the "solo" and "select" buttons on the X32?
 
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I wouldn't incorporate any wireless into the box just a standard NIC will suffice

Control surfaces would obviously be wifi tablet based over self provided LAN and editor would live at DSP hard lined ethernet on local router

It goes to point of being able to fit the punch of x32 into a backpack-

Portability is the main selling point as footprints of gig sized venues shrink all gear can be at the stage tucked away.

One more wish list item is affordable IEM, this fixes numerous other issues and was mentioned in earlier posts. This would be a welcomed add to the line.

Frank Pajak said:
The black box would be perfect, I would house it at the stage for stage patch connectivity maybe use a S16 for second patch on stage, and using a Wireless access point do FOH wherever I wanted from my laptop and mouse-





QUOTE=Christian Boche;36055]This is an EPIC idea!
Basically this would be some kind of Mackie DL1608 contender, but with way more powerful features!!!

There a lots of gigs, where you just have to mix one band or to mix in tiny locations, where one S-16 get's the job done. This could be easly done with a 2U (2HE) blackbox version of the X32/X16.

Like mentioned before, it would be nice to have at least the AUXin/outs, Talkback, AES50, USB, Ethernet and Ultranet outs. No faders, no Display, no Encoder...just a blackbox. If you do need physical faders, maybe you could hook up Behringer BCF2000.
BTW: This could be a cost effective "emergency solution"as well. Back in the days, we were all used to bring a spare PSU anlong for our analog desks. Now we could bring a complete spare desk in a 2 or 3U format for nearly the same price!

I'm in, if this could be offered for about 700-900,- EUROs. Basically the Xremote can control the complete desk, together with the P-16M and iPad remote you should be able to mix a standard/basic band setup with this. Like the Mackie DL1608, but with recallable micres, better and more FX and so on. Could be a nice InEar Monitor rackmixer too.
I like this idea very much! And mixing just with a tablet PC is doable, if you know the band.







Christian
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Mixed a set last night on the Presonus iPad app. Never gonna work for me. 80's rock band... I need to ride lead vocal/guitar at the same time as delay return...impossible without vca's. Waiting on my X32!
 
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Arturo Garcia said:
quick question about "solo" and selecting channels.
I got to work on a Yamaha ls-9 this weekend, and I like how when I solo a channel or move the fader, it automatically gets selected and I can immediately see it on the screen.
does anyone know if there is a way to link the "solo" and "select" buttons on the X32?
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Yes there is. Not sure where you do this, I want to say in the setup screen. There is a bunch of options for the solo and select buttons. You can have it be exclusive which will only allow one channel to be in solo mode. You can also have select follow solo and solo follow select meaning when you press either button that channel is active in the channel strip or active in the monitor bus. You can also set it up so that the when you change fader layers the channel on the new layer is the active channel in the channel strip. It's very configurable.
 
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Tim Nielson said:
Yes there is. Not sure where you do this, I want to say in the setup screen. There is a bunch of options for the solo and select buttons. You can have it be exclusive which will only allow one channel to be in solo mode. You can also have select follow solo and solo follow select meaning when you press either button that channel is active in the channel strip or active in the monitor bus. You can also set it up so that the when you change fader layers the channel on the new layer is the active channel in the channel strip. It's very configurable.
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great, thanks. I wasnt able to find those options during the show last night, but I'll definitely spend some time figuring all that out before the next gig.
 
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Does anyone know how to make the mute buttons light up of the assigned channels when you mute a DCA?


Also I would love to see the P16 in a rack mountable type with a remote headunit. That way the P16 could be in the same rack as the in-ear transmitters.
 
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