X32 Discussion

[Timo Ulkuniemi]

One last time - LCR or LR + Mono works fine - silly old me

Hi

After getting back to console I made following very interesting finding:

On SETUP page first tab GLOBAL on second encoder there is a choice "M/C depends on main L/R" - just check that and there it is....

Works in both modes - LR + M & LR + C

I think best part is, that the fader M/C does not move with LR-fader - so finetuning the balance in a hurry requires only hitting "MATRIX 1.6 MAIN C" and then adjusting the balance on fader #8


Huh huh - there are soooo many things to learn, before one can be sure to remember everything - and I am not getting younger - but fortunately basic use is a breeze...

 

[Per Søvik]

Re: One last time - LCR or LR + Mono works fine - silly old me

Hi

After getting back to console I made following very interesting finding:

On SETUP page first tab GLOBAL on second encoder there is a choice "M/C depends on main L/R" - just check that and there it is....

Works in both modes - LR + M & LR + C

I think best part is, that the fader M/C does not move with LR-fader - so finetuning the balance in a hurry requires only hitting "MATRIX 1.6 MAIN C" and then adjusting the balance on fader #8


Huh huh - there are soooo many things to learn, before one can be sure to remember everything - and I am not getting younger - but fortunately basic use is a breeze...

Yes of course, I had a nagging feeling it worked like that, I just couldn't remember what to check and where to find it. That is the problem with all these features, we want everything but haven't got the mental capacity to handle it ~;-)~:wink:

 

[Eric Hill - USA]

Re: One last time - LCR or LR + Mono works fine - silly old me

On SETUP page first tab GLOBAL on second encoder there is a choice "M/C depends on main L/R" - just check that and there it is....

That setting was mentioned in a previous post (#1216).

Eric H.

 

[Eric Eskam]

re: X32 Discussion

Thanks! That is me. I am making the videos to train my sound team at the church. I have a lot of volunteers at the church so I wanted them to watch these videos before coming to a training class that I will hold at the church. Hopefully this will make the transition from analog to digital a bit easier for them.

Congratulations - I've been enjoying them. I was thinking if we do get the console, for the first weeks to use it as a multi-track recorder for practice and services. We can then use what is commonly dubbed "virtual soundcheck" to play with it, see how it reacts in our space... And get everyone used to it

 

[Eric Hill - USA]

Error in Manual (Drawing)

In the manual (v1.0, page 67), the drawing of the IEC C14 power inlet/switch assembly is upside down.

In other areas of the manual, the drawing is correct.

I bought the wrong right-angle cable based upon the drawing. Ended up using a straight cable.

Eric H.

 

[Eric Hill - USA]

re: X32 Discussion

Totally agree, you Americans shouldn't be let within a hundred feet of any computer application that has anything to do with dates or time of day

I don't know about that one... ~~:smile: If I had designed the time on the X32, I would have done AM/PM on the display. I still would have written the files out in military time, though.

Have to chuckle, though... I'm on this "get rid of everything I can" mode right now. (We re-racked today. Removed 8 or 9U of outboard gear across two smaller racks.)

The other day, I had actually put away the atomic-clock at FOH. But, then I realized there was no date on the home screen. I also realized there's no NTP client built-in, so the board won't keep its time synced.

(Actually, it probably runs some flavor of Linux, that does have an NTP client built-in, but not exposed through the UI. Has anyone actually figured out what it is running on?)

Not nit-picking. If the X32 did everything, it wouldn't be at the price-point it is. Which means we wouldn't have one. ~~:smile:

Eric H.

 

[Uli Behringer]

re: X32 Discussion

Dear all,

Over the past few months, many people have been reaching out to us and requested an iPad/PC Control remote control version of the X32 digital mixer without any physical control elements.

This could be either a tabletop or rack-mount version where you just connect your I/O’s plus a wireless router and you’re ready to go.

What is your view and could you please also share your requirements such as configuration, front or back connectors, price, etc?

Many thanks

Uli

P.S. Thanks Eric for spotting the connector issue in the manual. We will correct it in our next documentation version as the units are assembled correctly.

 

[Eric Hill - USA]

re: X32 Discussion

P.S. Thanks Eric for spotting the connector issue in the manual. We will correct it in our next documentation version as the units are assembled correctly.

Thank you for everything that the X32 is, and for the direction Behringer is moving. I've really enjoyed using the X32 thus far.

Eric H.

 

[Steve Maksim]

re: X32 Discussion

What is your view and could you please also share your requirements such as configuration, front or back connectors, price, etc?

Though everything should be controllable through a GUI, it would be nice to be able to arbitrarily assign control to a MIDI device. The BCF2000 and BCR2000 are obvious choices, but many others are possible. A PC hosting the GUI could have a simple MIDI to USB interface to make this possible. This would allow easy access to controls that are needed frequently or quickly.

 

[Eric Hill - USA]

re: X32 Discussion

What is your view and could you please also share your requirements such as configuration, front or back connectors, price, etc?

I’m looking at this from the perspective of live sound.

- I would consider only including the 6 aux analog inputs/outputs, and require the S16’s for most of the other analog input/output. This should help keep the price down and keep the footprint smaller.

It might also compel X32 owners to purchase S16’s, with this box as a backup to the X32.

(Joe Sanborn asked if I was interested in the S16. I told him, frankly, not right now. With an XLR snake between FOH and the stage, if I have a major problem with the X32, I have options. If I’m committed to the X32 and S16’s, I’m in a heap of trouble. I have a 2 day window for maintenance. Doesn't matter if I'm in warranty or out. But, that’s another topic.)

- I'd want to rack it at FOH, in 2-3U (4U max).
- AES/EBU out for attaching to the DCX2496.
- Firewire and USB outs for recording.
- Headphone jack (1/4").
- Headphone level control.
- Talkback XLR.
- Talkback level control, A and B buttons on the front. (Worse-case, if there wasn’t room, at least the level. Can always get a mic with a switch.)
- It should have a small screen, and a limited number of push-encoders. (To set the IP address, and provide some ability to communicate status.)
- Ideally, I'd want all the connections on the back, except for maybe talkback and headphone. (Ideally, I'd want those both front and back. But, if I had to choose, I'd go with the back.)

Eric H.

 

[Eric Hill - USA]

re: X32 Discussion

When we switched our DAW to Sonar X1 (that supports icons), I couldn't believe how much faster I could pick out channels.
It sure reinforced to me why they say a picture is worth a thousand words. But you're right. To each his own.

I can see that (no pun intended), especially when working on a larger screen that scrolls.

One of my guys works off position. Move something down a channel, and it throws him.

The scribble-strip colors are great. I've found myself referencing color now. The other day, I was sitting down, and couldn't really see the scribble screens. But, I knew the vocals were blue.

Eric H.

 

[Alan Geering]

re: X32 Discussion

What is your view and could you please also share your requirements.

Essential for us is that it retains a common virtual interface with the x32. This way a tech who has learnt how to use the iPad app in the main hall can then know what they're doing in the second hall where the "rack version" is.

Not having to retrain everyone is a big deal for me.

I would like to see two sizes of unit.
Large: equivalent to x32 in I/o
Small: half the I/o of the x32 Physically 2u if possible for install in small halls.

Thanks,
Alan

 

[Eric Hill - USA]

re: X32 Discussion

I would like to see two sizes of unit.
Large: equivalent to x32 in I/o
Small: half the I/o of the x32 Physically 2u if possible for install in small halls.

@Behringer: Already a request for two sizes. ~~:smile: The use of S16's for I/O is a great option. Lots of marketing, manufacturing and other challenges simplified. Not to mention, the X32 system platform (as a whole) could be spec'd and built out with a lot of flexibility.

Eric H.

 

[Greg Hyson]

re: X32 Discussion

I'd like to see scalability in upcoming revisions. It would be nice have the ability to go from a 16 input configuration to a 48 input without abandoning previously purchased hardware (for instance having an X16 and X32 rack processor). I guess this is a similar concept to the Studiolive linking where outputs can be shared between two mixers and maybe even effects processing. The kicker would be having an option of a control surface that used an Ipad as your main display but had all of the physical buttons and faders at FOH. I vote to keep it at 2 rack spaces with minimal inputs and outputs on the rack unit itself focusing mainly on the AES50 format to provide your I/O.

It seems everybody is asking for the same things of the X32:

96k operation
Use the entire board as a control surface

A restructuring of the format might make it easier to employ those features.


Greg

 

[Christian Boche]

re: X32 Discussion

Gig No.50 - reality check first.
Promoter: " We already sold 250 pre-sale tickets. Can you bring a sound & light system for 600pax? Remember, the venue is huge and bring delay speaker as well"
Me: "Ok, the lighting guy will come in before us - stetting up the lights and backdrop"
Three hours later, the lighting guy calls "Dude, did you gave me the right address of the venue?
Me: " Sure, what's up?"
He: "Well...this thing is tiny! There is no way, for getting all the stuff in, that's in my trailer."
Me: "Arrg..ok..let's see"

This is the "huge venue", where a delay line is "mandatory".




That's Rock'n'Roll: Floral pattern tablecloth!8)~~



S-16 and one P-16M (on top of the GTR amp) for the win!

EIPC ROFL LOL...
Well the gig was "cozy and nice", the X32 performed flawless but it seems, that half of the people, who bought a pre-saled ticket got lost on their way to the venue
Anyway, promoter paid the full show, BBQ was good and I had time to mess around with X32.

I think, I will stop posting X32 pictures and reports. It is getting boring. My personal wrap-up:
The X32 sounds really good and it is rock solid! 50 Gigs and it never missed a beat.

Thank you all at Behringer - for this cost-effective and yet powerful tool!
Christian

 

[Christian Boche]

re: X32 Discussion

Dear all,

Over the past few months, many people have been reaching out to us and requested an iPad/PC Control remote control version of the X32 digital mixer without any physical control elements.

This could be either a tabletop or rack-mount version where you just connect your I/O’s plus a wireless router and you’re ready to go.

What is your view and could you please also share your requirements such as configuration, front or back connectors, price, etc?

Many thanks

Uli

This is an EPIC idea!
Basically this would be some kind of Mackie DL1608 contender, but with way more powerful features!!!

There a lots of gigs, where you just have to mix one band or to mix in tiny locations, where one S-16 get's the job done. This could be easly done with a 2U (2HE) blackbox version of the X32/X16.

Like mentioned before, it would be nice to have at least the AUXin/outs, Talkback, AES50, USB, Ethernet and Ultranet outs. No faders, no Display, no Encoder...just a blackbox. If you do need physical faders, maybe you could hook up Behringer BCF2000.
BTW: This could be a cost effective "emergency solution"as well. Back in the days, we were all used to bring a spare PSU anlong for our analog desks. Now we could bring a complete spare desk in a 2 or 3U format for nearly the same price!

I'm in, if this could be offered for about 700-900,- EUROs. Basically the Xremote can control the complete desk, together with the P-16M and iPad remote you should be able to mix a standard/basic band setup with this. Like the Mackie DL1608, but with recallable micres, better and more FX and so on. Could be a nice InEar Monitor rackmixer too.
I like this idea very much! And mixing just with a tablet PC is doable, if you know the band.



Christian

 

[Nick Davis]

re: X32 Discussion

What is your view and could you please also share your requirements such as configuration, front or back connectors, price, etc?

a few of immediate thoughts

I would like to see any development to be integrate-able and to be able to enhance the current X32 and S16 offerings -so that they do not essentially become redundant kit.
For example allow a rackmounted version to be integrated to be used as a monitor console.

However - considering the current architecture of the X32 and S16 - an option would be to bring out a board where the I/O ( except say the aux's) is not on the main desk but uses the S16 ( it seems to me that with the S16's the current on board I/O becomes redundant).
Concerning an Ipad interface this could be used to replace the current display - with the facility to dock it directly on the desk or to use it remotely - would give you a relatively cheap way of offering touch screen controls ( I would hope also that the current APP is developed to essentially allow this now - also maybe a means of you testing/getting feedback out how users feel about switching totally to such an interface - and fine honing it)

Expandability - to allow a cost effective way to increase the channel count should also be a consideration.

Going back to the current X32: To more fully tap the studio use - yes as others have said maybe the ability to use all the faders as a control surface - but with the quality of the effects you are delivering the ability to mix OTB incorporating some form of dynamic automation of the console.

 

[Per Søvik]

re: X32 Discussion

Uli, I want one, don't care what it is, but I want one ~:-D~:grin:

I can see two possible directions to go here assuming a 32 channel capacity, but 16 would be usefull as well; either a "black-box" BX32 or a 16in/8out SX16 that would essentially be a S16 with processing.
Either way, it would be good to have some AES/EBU, particularly if you are going to fit the iNukes with some digital input in the future.
Possibly some form of integration that would allow transfer of settings and scene changes, presets between X32 and the black box.
Preferably a possibility to use the processing power of the blackbox to extend the X32, bus sharing over AES50?
Ability to control S16s connected to the black box from the FOH X32, as well as controlling any onboard IO.

I would put one in my stagerack along with the S16s, recording computer, UPS etc. and either not take my X32 for a small gig, have it as backup and recorder for a medium gig, or use it as extension and/or monitor mixer for a larger gig.

Yes, I would want headphone outputs with volume, maybe a panic/mute button and a couple of small items like that.

I might want other things as well ~:-D~:grin:

What I think is important, and hopefully you will find a niche for it, is that it augments the new line of equipment in a way that doesn't steal sales from the other stuff, doesn't make other purchases redundant and also provides a path to new purchases. In other words, a box that is attractive if you already own X32 S16 etc, and also takes new customers on a path that leads to buying X16, X32 and S16 after they have purchased this box. I guess this is already your philosophy, and I'm stating the obvious ~;-)~:wink:

I have to admit that I've only ordered one S16 partly based on the fact that I don't need one as long as I have all the analogue snakes that I could possibly need, and one S16 is sufficient for convenience for smaller gigs, but it is also partly based on anticipation of more stuff to come along that might render a purchase of several S16 somewhat redundant. For that reason, an early indication that future offerings will rely on the S16 for input/output might convince myself and others to go ahead with purchasing S16s by the truckload.

 

[Uli Behringer]

re: X32 Discussion

Dear all,

thank you for all the valuable input.

We hear you.

Allow me to give you some hints. One complete eco system, fully compatible and expandable, affordable, Namm 2013

Cheers

Uli

P.S. Christian please don't stop posting your field reports as they are fun. However next time please show some more of the buffets as I miss those fresh Pretzels.

 

[Per Søvik]

re: X32 Discussion

Allow me to give you some hints. One complete eco system, fully compatible and expandable, affordable, Namm 2013

Yes, perfect, base it on the S16 as I/O module, make it modular with bus sharing and a communication protocol that allows scene and setup control through the whole system, make the necessary upgrades to the X32 firmware to work as a control surface for a larger system, and hey presto, the sky is the limit.
With a modular approach and bus sharing, (could just be a ribbon on the back) you wouldn't necessarily have to put any significant I/O on the processor box, you could have a I/O module that contains FiWi, AES/EBU and what have you.

A modular system that supports both an incremental build and "positive" redundancy must surely appeal both to the traditional Behringer customer, the hobbyist with limited funds that expands the system gradually, and the more professional users that are able to make a full system purchase at once but still want the modularity and redundancy that such a system approach offer.