X32 Discussion

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SO I'm sitting here with X32 envy, if anyone from Behringer is listening, I've had a console on order since July, I've ordered a second one after the demo - there have been several promise delivery dates since then, and I've been reading about users with consoles in thier hands for awhile now... Is there a delivery date for Canada yet - can you apply some grease - frig
update - I emailed the distributor and he says they just cleared customs - that they should have them today, and should be sent out to today/tomorrow and friday... I live 1.5 hrs from the distributor, so hopefully I'll be plugging them in tomorrow, or friday.
 
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Forrest Houghton said:
Thanks Kev, the theatrical work thread is where I originally saw that it could be done in OSC, but i haven't checked it in a while so I didn't see that second link. Big thanks. :)~:-)~:smile:
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Once we get the OSC specifications and a little time on our hands we'll upload TouchOSC templates in the x32user.net forum. (and link to them here obviously)
 
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Tim McCulloch said:
The console is the *wrong* place to do system-related tasks like crossovers.
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I can agree with that to an extent, because there are obvious pitfalls like settings getting accidentally changed with system resets and scene changes, and I think I would be somewhat sceptical doing x-over on an active box without a high pass and limiting later in the chain , but believe that sub to tops is rather less of a risk.
 
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Per Søvik said:
Once we get the OSC specifications and a little time on our hands we'll upload TouchOSC templates in the x32user.net forum. (and link to them here obviously)
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Sounds good. I registered as a user on the x32.net forum, but haven't gotten a confirmation email yet.

As I am currently in my first semester at college majoring in computer and network security and an X32 owner, I am very interested in being involved in this project. If there is anything I can do, let me know. Granted my knowledge on the topic is limited, I am willing to learn.
 
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Per Søvik said:
I can agree with that to an extent, because there are obvious pitfalls like settings getting accidentally changed with system resets and scene changes, and I think I would be somewhat sceptical doing x-over on an active box without a high pass and limiting later in the chain , but believe that sub to tops is rather less of a risk.
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So I'm the band engineer and we'll be using our Midas XL200 tonight. No, we will not be routing my outputs into your Behringer for system drive. Explain to me how I'll have a full range system, or how I'll have subs on an aux when your mixer is removed from the signal chain.

Or a different scenario... Your X32 decides to exhibit an inappropriate behavior, like failing in some manner. How will you have a *system* if the processing is done in the desk? You can't just go get the dusty old Mackie out of the store room and be good to go.

If you are putting all your eggs in one basket, that basket better be bullet-proof, Superman-enabled and have a reputation for never failing; probably not 100% realistic. That's why we carry spare processing for our rigs that need external processing, and for our other rigs (using I-Techs) we carry a spare amp.
 
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Tim McCulloch said:
So I'm the band engineer and we'll be using our Midas XL200 tonight. No, we will not be routing my outputs into your Behringer for system drive. Explain to me how I'll have a full range system, or how I'll have subs on an aux when your mixer is removed from the signal chain.

Or a different scenario... Your X32 decides to exhibit an inappropriate behavior, like failing in some manner. How will you have a *system* if the processing is done in the desk? You can't just go get the dusty old Mackie out of the store room and be good to go.

If you are putting all your eggs in one basket, that basket better be bullet-proof, Superman-enabled and have a reputation for never failing; probably not 100% realistic. That's why we carry spare processing for our rigs that need external processing, and for our other rigs (using I-Techs) we carry a spare amp.
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Eleven gigs now with my X32, and its been rock solid. And, I've had a lot of comments about how great the X32 sounds, so at this point I'm not concerned.

But, I bought a Mackie DL1608 as a backup. It's small and has enough processing so I could use it without any outboard gear. Only 16 inputs plus reverb, delay and iPad/iPod returns, but I could get by with it if I had to. So far, it's sat in my truck.
 
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Dick Franks said:
Eleven gigs now with my X32, and its been rock solid. And, I've had a lot of comments about how great the X32 sounds, so at this point I'm not concerned.

But, I bought a Mackie DL1608 as a backup. It's small and has enough processing so I could use it without any outboard gear. Only 16 inputs plus reverb, delay and iPad/iPod returns, but I could get by with it if I had to. So far, it's sat in my truck.
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My point was that using the console to perform system management tasks is a bad idea. Processed/power speakers or the olde-skool way of stand-alone loudspeaker and system DSP are a much better approach.

I'm not saying the X32 is more or less failure prone than any other device out there. It's far too early to say what the future holds for longevity on the hardware side, but the immediate firmware support from The Mothership is encouraging.
 
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Tim McCulloch said:
So I'm the band engineer and we'll be using our Midas XL200 tonight. No, we will not be routing my outputs into your Behringer for system drive. Explain to me how I'll have a full range system, or how I'll have subs on an aux when your mixer is removed from the signal chain.

Or a different scenario... Your X32 decides to exhibit an inappropriate behavior, like failing in some manner. How will you have a *system* if the processing is done in the desk? You can't just go get the dusty old Mackie out of the store room and be good to go.
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In the situations you've described, it wouldn't be the best choice to put system processing in the board.

In my situation, it's the exact opposite.

Eric H.
 
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Shane Presley said:
SO I'm sitting here with X32 envy, if anyone from Behringer is listening, I've had a console on order since July, I've ordered a second one after the demo - there have been several promise delivery dates since then, and I've been reading about users with consoles in thier hands for awhile now... Is there a delivery date for Canada yet - can you apply some grease - frig
update - I emailed the distributor and he says they just cleared customs - that they should have them today, and should be sent out to today/tomorrow and friday... I live 1.5 hrs from the distributor, so hopefully I'll be plugging them in tomorrow, or friday.
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Hello SHane,

I Received my 2x X32 yesterday in Montreal. I am going to my store to get them this morning. Intellimix orders 850 I think, so they should have some. I am sure, Steve Music of Otawa have ordered a bunch. Did you get the board directly from the distributor ? If yes, well they cleared costums on friday. Monday, they started to ship. ( In the province ).

I hope they do not have all these isses, Noise, usb ,,,

OThmane
 
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Tim McCulloch said:
So I'm the band engineer and we'll be using our Midas XL200 tonight. No, we will not be routing my outputs into your Behringer for system drive. Explain to me how I'll have a full range system, or how I'll have subs on an aux when your mixer is removed from the signal chain.

Or a different scenario... Your X32 decides to exhibit an inappropriate behavior, like failing in some manner. How will you have a *system* if the processing is done in the desk? You can't just go get the dusty old Mackie out of the store room and be good to go.

If you are putting all your eggs in one basket, that basket better be bullet-proof, Superman-enabled and have a reputation for never failing; probably not 100% realistic. That's why we carry spare processing for our rigs that need external processing, and for our other rigs (using I-Techs) we carry a spare amp.
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Obviously in a scenario where I was providing mains for a festival (highly unlikely) or something else where BE might bring his own mixer, everything goes thru' the DRPA+, and there is no way that it will disappear from my set-up, but it will be moved from FOH to the amp rack.
However, for my own use, when I'm on the X32 or any other digital mixer, I would like to skip as many conversions as possible, and keep the signal chain short and clean. Given the limitations of my speakers (PRX) I prefer to do a "double hang" running vocals separate. I would also like to run my subs in an optimized pattern that involves several different delay times, possible from the X32, but would involve more gear if I were to rely on a system controller. Probably buying the system controller would be more expensive than buying the X32.
If my X32 goes down, I'll switch mixers and go to the DRPA+, if my DRPA+ goes down, I'll have my X32, if both goes down I'll manage that as well with some creative use of eq and stuff. If my whole system goes down, I'll light some candles and tell the performers to go all acoustic. If the building burns down I'll probably let someone else handle it :)~:-)~:smile:
Can you use a digital mixer as systems controller, yes in some cases. Is it allways advisable, no. Can you use it as a sub/mains crossover, yes in most cases, but not in every scenario.
The perfect rig for the gig is not allways possible in Junior-land, most of the time you have to go with what you've got and think twice before every purchase, using creativity to make the best results with what you can afford or justify.
 
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Othmane Alaoui said:
How many use an external EQ even with a digital board ? The EQ is used on the mains ...

Thanks,
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Personally I won't be, it kind of defeats the purpose of having it "all in the box"...
If you are running out of "slots" in the console, then it's probably not the correct console for the show (eg requiring 8 mon mixes, foh graph, compressor and 4 effects).

as an aside:
Christian (or anyone), can you comment on the behaviour of the inputs, using a dual foh/mon setup - plugging mics into the mon console, and then cat5 to the foh position. Who has control of the mic pre (can it be assigned to be the FOH console, or does it have to be the mon console). Basically I'm investigating the posability of NOT purchasing a snake, and just using the mon desk to route the inputs to FOH ( using the x32 "mon console" as a snake head). Using this configuration, how do I assign my FOH output, and monitor outputs from the MON desk? (do you choose the "AE550" outputs on the mon desk)?
Thanks
 
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Shane Presley said:
Personally I won't be, it kind of defeats the purpose of having it "all in the box"...
If you are running out of "slots" in the console, then it's probably not the correct console for the show (eg requiring 8 mon mixes, foh graph, compressor and 4 effects).
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That's my thinking as well, I'm trying to avoid a rack at FOH, hoping to put everything else I need into one or two stageracks and be done, except for the laptop and iPad of course.
as an aside:
Christian (or anyone), can you comment on the behaviour of the inputs, using a dual foh/mon setup - plugging mics into the mon console, and then cat5 to the foh position. Who has control of the mic pre (can it be assigned to be the FOH console, or does it have to be the mon console). Basically I'm investigating the posability of NOT purchasing a snake, and just using the mon desk to route the inputs to FOH ( using the x32 "mon console" as a snake head). Using this configuration, how do I assign my FOH output, and monitor outputs from the MON desk? (do you choose the "AE550" outputs on the mon desk)?
Thanks
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This has been discussed before, and so far you can't remote the pres on one desk from another (unless you get creative with OSC ;)~;-)~:wink: ). The concensus is that you wouldn't want to anyway, not while running monitors from the stage desk. As for routing, it should be pretty straightforward, but I cant remeber how exactly to get the signals from FOH off the aes50 to the MON(stage) desk outputs.
 
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I'm jealous with you guys! I have yet to operate one wich would be the perfect solution for where i work with 4+ gigs a week! Anyways i will get my hands on soon enough. I need a demo unit to convince the boss... In the meen while a youtube gig (the whole thing) 2 track out of an LS9 with a camera for ausience mic's. A Macbook with logic 9 refused to not crash... Kurpers-Hoek de CD presentatie 11-12-2011 Live @ De Zeester in Nijmegen - YouTube
 
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Shane Presley said:
Personally I won't be, it kind of defeats the purpose of having it "all in the box"...
If you are running out of "slots" in the console, then it's probably not the correct console for the show (eg requiring 8 mon mixes, foh graph, compressor and 4 effects).

as an aside:
Christian (or anyone), can you comment on the behaviour of the inputs, using a dual foh/mon setup - plugging mics into the mon console, and then cat5 to the foh position. Who has control of the mic pre (can it be assigned to be the FOH console, or does it have to be the mon console). Basically I'm investigating the posability of NOT purchasing a snake, and just using the mon desk to route the inputs to FOH ( using the x32 "mon console" as a snake head). Using this configuration, how do I assign my FOH output, and monitor outputs from the MON desk? (do you choose the "AE550" outputs on the mon desk)?
Thanks
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Hi Shane,

One way to do this:
- When using 2 X32s together as you described, the console that has the Mics physically connected to it is the one controlling the gain (in your scenario, this would be the monitor console).
- The FOH console would have a digital trim of + or - 12dB.
- To assign the FOH Main Outpu to the outputs on the Monitor desk takes a few steps.

On the FOH Console:
- On the ROUTING menu, go to the "analog out" tab. Assign your Main LR to Out 1+2.
- Tab over to the "AES50" tab (use A or B depending which AES50 port you are using on the FOH console)
- Route "Out 1-8" to Outputs 1-8.

On the Monitor Console:
- First you need to bring the signal in from the AES50 stream before it can be re-routed to the console's outputs.
- Go to the "home" screen of the ROUTING menu.
- The last column will allow you to bring AES50 into Aux 1-4.
- Now, tab over to the "analog out" page.
- Chose the outputs you wish to use for Mains, and assign them to DirOut Aux 1 and DirOut Aux 2.
- On this same page, you can assign the mix busses from your MON console to the appropriate outputs.
I am checking with our development team if we can add the ability to directly assign an AES50 channel to a physical analog output.

Best
Joe Sanborn
Manager, Channel Marketing
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
 
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Othmane Alaoui said:
How many use an external EQ even with a digital board?
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Mains: External processing and EQ. But, I would do that in the X32, if possible.

Monitors: We’re using the 31-band EQ’s within the X32. (Although, it would be nice to have a parametric EQ available in the effects library.)

Eric H.
 
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Joe Sanborn said:
Hi Shane,

One way to do this:

  • When using 2 X32s together as you described, the console that has the Mics physically connected to it is the one controlling the gain (in your scenario, this would be the monitor console).
  • The FOH console would have a digital trim of + or - 12dB.
  • To assign the FOH Main Outpu to the outputs on the Monitor desk takes a few steps.



  • On the FOH Console:

  • On the ROUTING menu, go to the "analog out" tab. Assign your Main LR to Out 1+2.
  • Tab over to the "AES50" tab (use A or B depending which AES50 port you are using on the FOH console)
  • Route "Out 1-8" to Outputs 1-8.



  • On the Monitor Console:

  • First you need to bring the signal in from the AES50 stream before it can be re-routed to the console's outputs.
  • Go to the "home" screen of the ROUTING menu.
  • The last column will allow you to bring AES50 into Aux 1-4.
  • Now, tab over to the "analog out" page.
  • Chose the outputs you wish to use for Mains, and assign them to DirOut Aux 1 and DirOut Aux 2.
  • On this same page, you can assign the mix busses from your MON console to the appropriate outputs.


I am checking with our development team if we can add the ability to directly assign an AES50 channel to a physical analog output.



Best
Joe Sanborn
Manager, Channel Marketing
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
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Thanks for taking the time to write that Joe.
I was hoping that you could just send the FOH outputs 9-16 down aes50 from FOH and use the XLR outputs on the mon desk (9-16)
the actual method is not quite that easy , but simple enough...
hoping to test this out today or tomorrow - still waiting to take delivery :(
 
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