X32 Discussion
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re: X32 Discussion
I have been trying to figure out if the X32 would work for my needs. I keep saying that I think it is a very good console and I should add for the price and what it gives you it is really nice. I have been telling other people how good this thing looks to be. And I was very impressed with the way the Mr. Behringer handled himself here and it looks like the company really wants to improve on how things were done in the past.
I have been looking at it very carefully and trying to figure out if it is suitable for my needs, which if it were for the price is incredible.
I would have been satisfied if at the very beginning someone at the top were to say – no this will not handle what you are trying to do.
Mostly it seems like I am being told that I am not looking at it the right way. Not by Joe but by other posters. I started the X32 for theatrical thread in hopes of finding other people that were trying to do the same thing I am. And I get the feeling that maybe I am more unique then I think I am.
I tried to be as polite as possible but it seems like I have a problem writing in a way that people can understand what I am trying to say. People are trying to help and I appreciate that. They have no way of knowing what my experience is. I am not new at this and I know what works for me. And from at least a few posts there are others that would like it to work the same way. I have been making my living at sound for a long time. I may not be in the big leagues by some people’s standards but I am not a weekend warrior either. I have morphed over the years starting out in broadcast sound (with some film work also) and slowly into the live sound end of things. So that now I am almost exclusively doing live sound. I usually do 4 theatrical shows a year and at the rate we are renting consoles for I was (dreaming) thinking that the X32 would work for me for those shows. I used an M7 again for the last show and I am not a fan.
BTW if anyone has looked at the console file that is on the PC when you use Xcontrol it looks like this console can handle a lot more then 32 channels if they let it. And that is another thing, I can understand if they want to restrict it to only 32 channels.
But to quote Uli from the Uli Behringer of The Music Group Q&A thread from page 3 post 54 “The new X32 Digital Mixer has already earned the praise of users and reviewers alike as it puts a $20,000 console in users’ hands for less than $3,000.”
And Page 12 post 228 he said
“Over the past years we have made huge investments in developing the technology platform which products such as X32, S16 and P16 are built on. This now allows us to scale in multiple directions.”
And on page 14 post 277 in response to my post 276 where I said “So I am looking for something more like an X48.”
He said -
“I fully understand your requirements, however to be able to achieve very aggressive X32 pricing you need extremely high production numbers. As you move into higher channel counts, sales volume substantially decrease.
With the X32 we have developed a very powerful and flexible technology platform which will allow us to easily scale downwards and hence we are now focusing on smaller format consoles which also represent the market sweetspot.
If you need a mixer with high channel counts and also more complex features such as system redundancy, you might want to look at the Midas Pro1 or Pro2 which have become very popular and reasonably priced consoles.”
And I want to thank him for being straightforward with his replies and comments.
So based on those things and many other comments I don’t think I was out of line to HOPE that the X32 might be made to work the way that I think it should.
I haven’t found a digital console yet that does everything I want. The new Digicos look like they might fit my needs but I keep hearing about them crashing. I was part of the production team for a show that we hired Eighth Day Sound to do the sound part. And we were supposed to get 2 Digico D5s from them and not too long before the show they told us the D5s were crashing and they substituted 2 PM1Ds instead. Another funny thing on that show, I had them hire Doug Fowler to take over FOH duties for me because I ended up having a conflict with the show dates. So when I hear of crashes it makes me very leery no matter how much the console costs.
As far as my response in post 1870 to what Joe was quoting the developer as saying. - "What Kevin referred to is actually related to the Setup/Global setting "Scene Go Next", which automatically sets the selection to the next scene in line. While this is useful for just pressing GO repeatedly proceeding through the show, without having to press NEXT in between. But, it obviously also means that the selection is one ahead of what is currently active, and when you press Save, it would correctly be stored in the next scene.
If the customer does not like it that way, they should just switch off the "Scene Go Next" function."
I am fairly sure that this is how the iLive used to work. I think they changed it.
I think it shows a different work flow mentality then someone that has theater in mind. I mean there is no way to insert a scene. You can skip a scene which is great, not many consoles allow you to leave a scene in there and flag it to be skipped. But there is no back button and no save button on the surface and you can’t assign a UDK to do those functions. That makes the work flow very awkward. With that evidence I say that they weren’t thinking of theater usage at all when this board was designed. And maybe the theater market is just too small for them to think about it.
So maybe my wording (“Yet another digital console that is designed by people that have no concept of what is needed for musical theater.”) was a bit strong but I stand by the meaning of my post.
So Bennett I am sorry if my expectations were too high. But keeping in mind the quote from Uli about giving people a $20,000 console for $3000. Am I asking too much of a $20,000 console?
I have been trying to figure out if the X32 would work for my needs. I keep saying that I think it is a very good console and I should add for the price and what it gives you it is really nice. I have been telling other people how good this thing looks to be. And I was very impressed with the way the Mr. Behringer handled himself here and it looks like the company really wants to improve on how things were done in the past.
I have been looking at it very carefully and trying to figure out if it is suitable for my needs, which if it were for the price is incredible.
I would have been satisfied if at the very beginning someone at the top were to say – no this will not handle what you are trying to do.
Mostly it seems like I am being told that I am not looking at it the right way. Not by Joe but by other posters. I started the X32 for theatrical thread in hopes of finding other people that were trying to do the same thing I am. And I get the feeling that maybe I am more unique then I think I am.
I tried to be as polite as possible but it seems like I have a problem writing in a way that people can understand what I am trying to say. People are trying to help and I appreciate that. They have no way of knowing what my experience is. I am not new at this and I know what works for me. And from at least a few posts there are others that would like it to work the same way. I have been making my living at sound for a long time. I may not be in the big leagues by some people’s standards but I am not a weekend warrior either. I have morphed over the years starting out in broadcast sound (with some film work also) and slowly into the live sound end of things. So that now I am almost exclusively doing live sound. I usually do 4 theatrical shows a year and at the rate we are renting consoles for I was (dreaming) thinking that the X32 would work for me for those shows. I used an M7 again for the last show and I am not a fan.
BTW if anyone has looked at the console file that is on the PC when you use Xcontrol it looks like this console can handle a lot more then 32 channels if they let it. And that is another thing, I can understand if they want to restrict it to only 32 channels.
But to quote Uli from the Uli Behringer of The Music Group Q&A thread from page 3 post 54 “The new X32 Digital Mixer has already earned the praise of users and reviewers alike as it puts a $20,000 console in users’ hands for less than $3,000.”
And Page 12 post 228 he said
“Over the past years we have made huge investments in developing the technology platform which products such as X32, S16 and P16 are built on. This now allows us to scale in multiple directions.”
And on page 14 post 277 in response to my post 276 where I said “So I am looking for something more like an X48.”
He said -
“I fully understand your requirements, however to be able to achieve very aggressive X32 pricing you need extremely high production numbers. As you move into higher channel counts, sales volume substantially decrease.
With the X32 we have developed a very powerful and flexible technology platform which will allow us to easily scale downwards and hence we are now focusing on smaller format consoles which also represent the market sweetspot.
If you need a mixer with high channel counts and also more complex features such as system redundancy, you might want to look at the Midas Pro1 or Pro2 which have become very popular and reasonably priced consoles.”
And I want to thank him for being straightforward with his replies and comments.
So based on those things and many other comments I don’t think I was out of line to HOPE that the X32 might be made to work the way that I think it should.
I haven’t found a digital console yet that does everything I want. The new Digicos look like they might fit my needs but I keep hearing about them crashing. I was part of the production team for a show that we hired Eighth Day Sound to do the sound part. And we were supposed to get 2 Digico D5s from them and not too long before the show they told us the D5s were crashing and they substituted 2 PM1Ds instead. Another funny thing on that show, I had them hire Doug Fowler to take over FOH duties for me because I ended up having a conflict with the show dates. So when I hear of crashes it makes me very leery no matter how much the console costs.
As far as my response in post 1870 to what Joe was quoting the developer as saying. - "What Kevin referred to is actually related to the Setup/Global setting "Scene Go Next", which automatically sets the selection to the next scene in line. While this is useful for just pressing GO repeatedly proceeding through the show, without having to press NEXT in between. But, it obviously also means that the selection is one ahead of what is currently active, and when you press Save, it would correctly be stored in the next scene.
If the customer does not like it that way, they should just switch off the "Scene Go Next" function."
I am fairly sure that this is how the iLive used to work. I think they changed it.
I think it shows a different work flow mentality then someone that has theater in mind. I mean there is no way to insert a scene. You can skip a scene which is great, not many consoles allow you to leave a scene in there and flag it to be skipped. But there is no back button and no save button on the surface and you can’t assign a UDK to do those functions. That makes the work flow very awkward. With that evidence I say that they weren’t thinking of theater usage at all when this board was designed. And maybe the theater market is just too small for them to think about it.
So maybe my wording (“Yet another digital console that is designed by people that have no concept of what is needed for musical theater.”) was a bit strong but I stand by the meaning of my post.
So Bennett I am sorry if my expectations were too high. But keeping in mind the quote from Uli about giving people a $20,000 console for $3000. Am I asking too much of a $20,000 console?
re: X32 Discussion
Hi Joe – I really appreciate your time and your efforts to help me. The time (approx 3hrs) I was able to look over Johns shoulder at the Guitar Center and ask him the questions as he was waiting for the Staff there to show them stuff. It really helped.
I have heard almost the exact same reply that you quoted from the developer when I questioned A&H about their boards behavior and I was a bit harsh in my wording to you. I don’t blame you for anything I am just frustrated when someone tells what I interpret as my workflow is wrong. Did this guy used to work for A&H?
Given some time maybe the X32 will be made to work for the type of theatrical shows I do.
Thank you, and sorry if I came across too harsh.
Hi Joe – I really appreciate your time and your efforts to help me. The time (approx 3hrs) I was able to look over Johns shoulder at the Guitar Center and ask him the questions as he was waiting for the Staff there to show them stuff. It really helped.
I have heard almost the exact same reply that you quoted from the developer when I questioned A&H about their boards behavior and I was a bit harsh in my wording to you. I don’t blame you for anything I am just frustrated when someone tells what I interpret as my workflow is wrong. Did this guy used to work for A&H?
Given some time maybe the X32 will be made to work for the type of theatrical shows I do.
Thank you, and sorry if I came across too harsh.
re: X32 Discussion
Hello everybody. I am a long time silent reader to this forum and wanna thank all the users for lots of useful informations. I am located in Germany and work as a musician on keys and guitars as well as mixing live shows (app 100 bands per year) and owning a small studio. I do demo and CD productions and and lotta live recordings fot the talents I am happy to work for.
I own an x32 for two weeks, leaving the presonus studio live desk behind due to the need of having more inputs and getting rid of the crappy fx
The Studiolive worked smooth over the years, but had some problems with their compressors.
Years ago I owned a nice Behringer 3216 (?) digital desk that I loved a lot and worked without any problems. That's the story so far.
However, now I am on x32 and did the first shows during the last week. And while learning the console I realized some glitches and maybe bugs and posted about them on the Behringer forum. Unfortnately it seems that Behringer dont care what poeple write in their own forum, but HERE I can see Mr. Sanborn being very helpful and even Uli Behringer walks in to leave some comment.
So here's my question to Joe or any other Behringer guy: Are you willing to support your forum at behringer.com or will I need to report my bugs and glitches directly via email or at THIS forum?
Thanks a lot for your help and sry for my poor English, hope I could describe everything without sounding too harsh.
Henry
http://www.behringer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=121&t=2991&sid=4d7c65f38f6c87474992afd4a54ed232
http://www.behringer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=121&t=1831&sid=4d7c65f38f6c87474992afd4a54ed232
Hello everybody. I am a long time silent reader to this forum and wanna thank all the users for lots of useful informations. I am located in Germany and work as a musician on keys and guitars as well as mixing live shows (app 100 bands per year) and owning a small studio. I do demo and CD productions and and lotta live recordings fot the talents I am happy to work for.
I own an x32 for two weeks, leaving the presonus studio live desk behind due to the need of having more inputs and getting rid of the crappy fx
The Studiolive worked smooth over the years, but had some problems with their compressors. Years ago I owned a nice Behringer 3216 (?) digital desk that I loved a lot and worked without any problems. That's the story so far.
However, now I am on x32 and did the first shows during the last week. And while learning the console I realized some glitches and maybe bugs and posted about them on the Behringer forum. Unfortnately it seems that Behringer dont care what poeple write in their own forum, but HERE I can see Mr. Sanborn being very helpful and even Uli Behringer walks in to leave some comment.
So here's my question to Joe or any other Behringer guy: Are you willing to support your forum at behringer.com or will I need to report my bugs and glitches directly via email or at THIS forum?
Thanks a lot for your help and sry for my poor English, hope I could describe everything without sounding too harsh.
Henry
http://www.behringer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=121&t=2991&sid=4d7c65f38f6c87474992afd4a54ed232
http://www.behringer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=121&t=1831&sid=4d7c65f38f6c87474992afd4a54ed232
re: X32 Discussion
Hey everyone, just a quick question.... Had our first practice session last night, used outputs 1 & 2 to feed onstage monitors, they are configured the same, every channel has a send to the respective output but output 1 had a loud digital clipping sound when I tried to lift the monitor volume ??? Output 2 was fine. If it was normal distortion I would understand but digital clipping ??? All meters did not show any clipping ?? Very Strange, hope anyone can give me more insight.
Thanx
Andre
Hey everyone, just a quick question.... Had our first practice session last night, used outputs 1 & 2 to feed onstage monitors, they are configured the same, every channel has a send to the respective output but output 1 had a loud digital clipping sound when I tried to lift the monitor volume ??? Output 2 was fine. If it was normal distortion I would understand but digital clipping ??? All meters did not show any clipping ?? Very Strange, hope anyone can give me more insight.
Thanx
Andre
re: X32 Discussion
Did you soloed output 1 and listen, if the clipping was in your phones as well? Are you sure, that you didn't build a feedback loop somehow?
Did you soloed output 1 and listen, if the clipping was in your phones as well? Are you sure, that you didn't build a feedback loop somehow?
re: X32 Discussion
May have a bug but could be a user error.
This does not happen on a regular basis, but sometimes when I power up the unit and recall our Sunday morning scenes, the delay that is routed through bus 15&16 stops working. It shows that there is signal on the bus output faders, but nothing is coming through the house, and when I hit the effects button, it shows no input and output on that particular effect.
EDIT:: I figured it out. It was a user error.
May have a bug but could be a user error.
This does not happen on a regular basis, but sometimes when I power up the unit and recall our Sunday morning scenes, the delay that is routed through bus 15&16 stops working. It shows that there is signal on the bus output faders, but nothing is coming through the house, and when I hit the effects button, it shows no input and output on that particular effect.
EDIT:: I figured it out. It was a user error.
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re: X32 Discussion
Hi Christian
Thanx for your quick response
In my rush and excitement to use the desk for the first time I left my headphones behind (Silly me, I know). But I checked it today with headphones and studio monitor as I don't bring the monitors back with me, and everything sounds perfect ?!?!?!?! I didn't have much time to try and solve it as the guys were getting a bit impatient... :-( They don't appreciate the real patience of fault finding etc...... It might be the monitors I think, I'm going to bring one back and test it with the set up I had last night.
Will let you know how it turned out
Thanx again
Andre
Hi Christian
Thanx for your quick response
In my rush and excitement to use the desk for the first time I left my headphones behind (Silly me, I know). But I checked it today with headphones and studio monitor as I don't bring the monitors back with me, and everything sounds perfect ?!?!?!?! I didn't have much time to try and solve it as the guys were getting a bit impatient... :-( They don't appreciate the real patience of fault finding etc...... It might be the monitors I think, I'm going to bring one back and test it with the set up I had last night.
Will let you know how it turned out
Thanx again
Andre
re: X32 Discussion
Please explain what you found that was being done wrong (if possible) so we can learn. What’s the saying about learning from other peoples mistakes.
Please explain what you found that was being done wrong (if possible) so we can learn. What’s the saying about learning from other peoples mistakes.
re: X32 Discussion
Hey Guys,
I thought I would share an event we are offering next week.
If all goes well we will offer this weekly at different times and in different time zones.
Best
Joe Sanborn
Manager, Channel Marketing
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
X32 Live!
This Monday October 8 from 1PM - 3PM Pacific Time
We will be doing our first X32 Live! Session
Join us via Go to My Meeting
This is a full audio/video system.
The first hour, we will cover Tips and Tricks as well as:
- Setting Up Your Show on the X32
- Details of the channel strip, interface, and routing in general
The second hour, is wide-open to ask us anything you want to know, or want to share.
You can ask specific questions and get "one on one" help with your X32… how cool it that!
Since this is our first "X32 Live! Event", please let me know if you can make it.
Presenters:
Joe Sanborn - BEHRINGER - Manager of Channel Marketing
John DiNicola - BEHRINGER - Senior Product Specialist
Please follow the link below
1. Please join my meeting, Oct 8, 2012 at 1:00 PM PDT.
https://www4.gotomeeting.com/join/936274831
2. Use your microphone and speakers (VoIP) - a headset is recommended. Or, call in using your telephone.
Dial +1 (636) 277-0131
Access Code: 936-274-831
Audio PIN: Shown after joining the meeting
Meeting ID: 936-274-831
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Hey Guys,
I thought I would share an event we are offering next week.
If all goes well we will offer this weekly at different times and in different time zones.
Best
Joe Sanborn
Manager, Channel Marketing
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
X32 Live!
This Monday October 8 from 1PM - 3PM Pacific Time
We will be doing our first X32 Live! Session
Join us via Go to My Meeting
This is a full audio/video system.
The first hour, we will cover Tips and Tricks as well as:
- Setting Up Your Show on the X32
- Details of the channel strip, interface, and routing in general
The second hour, is wide-open to ask us anything you want to know, or want to share.
You can ask specific questions and get "one on one" help with your X32… how cool it that!
Since this is our first "X32 Live! Event", please let me know if you can make it.
Presenters:
Joe Sanborn - BEHRINGER - Manager of Channel Marketing
John DiNicola - BEHRINGER - Senior Product Specialist
Please follow the link below
1. Please join my meeting, Oct 8, 2012 at 1:00 PM PDT.
https://www4.gotomeeting.com/join/936274831
2. Use your microphone and speakers (VoIP) - a headset is recommended. Or, call in using your telephone.
Dial +1 (636) 277-0131
Access Code: 936-274-831
Audio PIN: Shown after joining the meeting
Meeting ID: 936-274-831
GoToMeeting®
Online Meetings Made Easy™
Not at your computer? Click the link to join this meeting from your iPhone®, iPad® or Android® device via the GoToMeeting app.
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re: X32 Discussion
I have to second this message. I've posted a number of bugs and queries where we are meant to post them on the Behringer site but have had no responses there at all. I can only assume Behringer do not read their own site. However they clearly do read and positively respond to this site...
Mike
I have to second this message. I've posted a number of bugs and queries where we are meant to post them on the Behringer site but have had no responses there at all. I can only assume Behringer do not read their own site. However they clearly do read and positively respond to this site...
Mike
Hello everybody. I am a long time silent reader to this forum and wanna thank all the users for lots of useful informations. I am located in Germany and work as a musician on keys and guitars as well as mixing live shows (app 100 bands per year) and owning a small studio. I do demo and CD productions and and lotta live recordings fot the talents I am happy to work for.
I own an x32 for two weeks, leaving the presonus studio live desk behind due to the need of having more inputs and getting rid of the crappy fx
Years ago I owned a nice Behringer 3216 (?) digital desk that I loved a lot and worked without any problems. That's the story so far.
However, now I am on x32 and did the first shows during the last week. And while learning the console I realized some glitches and maybe bugs and posted about them on the Behringer forum. Unfortnately it seems that Behringer dont care what poeple write in their own forum, but HERE I can see Mr. Sanborn being very helpful and even Uli Behringer walks in to leave some comment.
So here's my question to Joe or any other Behringer guy: Are you willing to support your forum at behringer.com or will I need to report my bugs and glitches directly via email or at THIS forum?
Thanks a lot for your help and sry for my poor English, hope I could describe everything without sounding too harsh.
Henry
BEHRINGER • View topic - X32 Forum not well supported?
BEHRINGER • View topic - X32 Feature Request and Issue Reporting Thread
re: X32 Discussion
hey there,
i finally got my x32 and spent the last few days with getting to know the console, measured all channels/busses and prepared template scenes/presets.
i'm mixing about 100 shows/year for different indie-bands and i'm used to working with all kinds of brands and digital consoles. the x32 will be used mainly as backup-foh-console and also as monitor-console.
first off i think behringer deserves big respect for building a console this versatile at a bargain. there are still some flaws but i'm optimistic that some of them will be revised in future firmware updates.
my console has 2-3 minor mechanical flaws which i'd like to check with other x32 users:
1) the first thing i realised when putting on my phones was an quiet but audible noise at 6k, even all channels, outputs and also the phones volume was muted. the noise got louder when turning up the phones volume and also when using the
aux-ins. i then measured all channels and outputs and fortunately the 16 outputs and also the 32 regular channels are almost free of that noise. only channel 16 and channel 32 show some of it but nothing to speak of really.
in my measurements there was not only noise at 6k but also at 12k, when i switched to 44,1k sampling rate the noise changed to 5,512k and 11,024k, so it's respectively 1/8 and 1/4 of the used sampling rate. can anybody confirm this
behaviour? i don't really think it's an aliasing problem but could be some interference (from clocking?).
2) bus-fader #7 has a bit of nervous behaviour when switching between positions. i think someone here in the thread called this "chattering". at the moment the fader just has this little "chattering" and recalls the position correctly
but this could be getting a problem in a year or two. is there a possibility to recalibrate/check the faders?
3) i think this is normal behaviour, nevertheless i wanted to be sure: the brightness of the LEDs and LCDs only has 4 states (10/30/55/80), all the steps inbetween don't change anything.
despite these mechanical hiccups i also have some input concerning the workflow with the console (fw 1.09).
things that IMHO need to be fixed asap:
a) the fx quality is really nice but the muting of the fx-signal when edited is a bit of a killjoy, especially with the tapping of the delay. at live shows i have several songs where i constantly need to retap the delay time. at the moment i'd have to carry my m-one or d-two with me because the onboard-delays are always cutting audio.
b) channel mutes should be blinking when muted via DCA! at the moment there's no optical warning except for the muted DCA itself.
c) the assign section should either be saveable itself (via utility) and/or be saved with the scene (+ recall safe)! <= i don't know why but when i first tested the console this wouldn't work - now retested with 1.09 and the console also loads the assign section. nevertheless it'd be nice to save/load it standalone.
things that need to be fixed sometime:
d) when changing the position of the insert (pre/post) while having inserted an effect (enhancer, wave shaper,...) really loud and annoying noises can occur. either eliminate those noises (which will probably be not possible) or force
the user not to change it during operation (e.g. state of pre/post only changeable while insert is off).
things that are a bit awkward:
e) no eq or dynamics with the fx-returns. i know that you can reroute the fx via subgroups or use channels 25-32 but it'd be nice to have it in the fx-return channels itself - could this be changed or is there a lack of DSP power?
f) when using sends on fader via the assign section you can't return to normal mode by pressing the assigned button again. it would be nice to be able to return to normal mode not only by pressing the red "sends on fader" button.
g) ok - this one is a matter of taste, but i'm used to narrow the eq by turning q clockwise - i think especially the englishmen will disagree
h) when channels are linked the phase invert should not be linked. you most definately don't need to swap the phase of a stereo signal itself but from one side (e.g. when you got a crossed cable). at the moment you can get around by taking "Delay + HA Link" out of the linking.
things that would be cool to have:
i) direct access to "geq on faders" via assign section (not only FX1-8) <= just found out that the console remembers the last state, so i if you leave having "geq on faders" on, it'll be the same the next time you open the fx.
j) controlling the range of "geq on faders" via the bus-buttons (e.g. DCA 1-8 for 20-100hz, BUS 1-8 for 125-630hz, BUS 9-16 for 800hz-4k and MATRIX for 4-20k/MASTER)
k) linking of odd/even channels and also more intuitive way of linking (e.g. press 2x select)
l) customizable surface design (e.g. custom fader layer,...) where you can freely arrange your channels (e.g. only one fader for a stereo channel, aux delay send next to vocal strip,...) - i don't know if this is possible with the design and architecture of the console.
m) it'd be nice to customize name-snippets and icons (for example via Xcontrol).
n) i'm missing a de-esser at the dynamics section.
that's my point of view at the moment - i haven't worked with Xcontrol yet because i'm waiting for the mac-version, also i haven't tried the ipad-app because i'm waiting for the ipad mini, i really hope the app will run on the mini as well.
next week i'll test the X32 at a show for the first time, let's see if i have more to say then
cheers,
flo
hey there,
i finally got my x32 and spent the last few days with getting to know the console, measured all channels/busses and prepared template scenes/presets.
i'm mixing about 100 shows/year for different indie-bands and i'm used to working with all kinds of brands and digital consoles. the x32 will be used mainly as backup-foh-console and also as monitor-console.
first off i think behringer deserves big respect for building a console this versatile at a bargain. there are still some flaws but i'm optimistic that some of them will be revised in future firmware updates.
my console has 2-3 minor mechanical flaws which i'd like to check with other x32 users:
1) the first thing i realised when putting on my phones was an quiet but audible noise at 6k, even all channels, outputs and also the phones volume was muted. the noise got louder when turning up the phones volume and also when using the
aux-ins. i then measured all channels and outputs and fortunately the 16 outputs and also the 32 regular channels are almost free of that noise. only channel 16 and channel 32 show some of it but nothing to speak of really.
in my measurements there was not only noise at 6k but also at 12k, when i switched to 44,1k sampling rate the noise changed to 5,512k and 11,024k, so it's respectively 1/8 and 1/4 of the used sampling rate. can anybody confirm this
behaviour? i don't really think it's an aliasing problem but could be some interference (from clocking?).
2) bus-fader #7 has a bit of nervous behaviour when switching between positions. i think someone here in the thread called this "chattering". at the moment the fader just has this little "chattering" and recalls the position correctly
but this could be getting a problem in a year or two. is there a possibility to recalibrate/check the faders?
3) i think this is normal behaviour, nevertheless i wanted to be sure: the brightness of the LEDs and LCDs only has 4 states (10/30/55/80), all the steps inbetween don't change anything.
despite these mechanical hiccups i also have some input concerning the workflow with the console (fw 1.09).
things that IMHO need to be fixed asap:
a) the fx quality is really nice but the muting of the fx-signal when edited is a bit of a killjoy, especially with the tapping of the delay. at live shows i have several songs where i constantly need to retap the delay time. at the moment i'd have to carry my m-one or d-two with me because the onboard-delays are always cutting audio.
b) channel mutes should be blinking when muted via DCA! at the moment there's no optical warning except for the muted DCA itself.
c) the assign section should either be saveable itself (via utility) and/or be saved with the scene (+ recall safe)! <= i don't know why but when i first tested the console this wouldn't work - now retested with 1.09 and the console also loads the assign section. nevertheless it'd be nice to save/load it standalone.
things that need to be fixed sometime:
d) when changing the position of the insert (pre/post) while having inserted an effect (enhancer, wave shaper,...) really loud and annoying noises can occur. either eliminate those noises (which will probably be not possible) or force
the user not to change it during operation (e.g. state of pre/post only changeable while insert is off).
things that are a bit awkward:
e) no eq or dynamics with the fx-returns. i know that you can reroute the fx via subgroups or use channels 25-32 but it'd be nice to have it in the fx-return channels itself - could this be changed or is there a lack of DSP power?
f) when using sends on fader via the assign section you can't return to normal mode by pressing the assigned button again. it would be nice to be able to return to normal mode not only by pressing the red "sends on fader" button.
g) ok - this one is a matter of taste, but i'm used to narrow the eq by turning q clockwise - i think especially the englishmen will disagree
h) when channels are linked the phase invert should not be linked. you most definately don't need to swap the phase of a stereo signal itself but from one side (e.g. when you got a crossed cable). at the moment you can get around by taking "Delay + HA Link" out of the linking.
things that would be cool to have:
i) direct access to "geq on faders" via assign section (not only FX1-8) <= just found out that the console remembers the last state, so i if you leave having "geq on faders" on, it'll be the same the next time you open the fx.
j) controlling the range of "geq on faders" via the bus-buttons (e.g. DCA 1-8 for 20-100hz, BUS 1-8 for 125-630hz, BUS 9-16 for 800hz-4k and MATRIX for 4-20k/MASTER)
k) linking of odd/even channels and also more intuitive way of linking (e.g. press 2x select)
l) customizable surface design (e.g. custom fader layer,...) where you can freely arrange your channels (e.g. only one fader for a stereo channel, aux delay send next to vocal strip,...) - i don't know if this is possible with the design and architecture of the console.
m) it'd be nice to customize name-snippets and icons (for example via Xcontrol).
n) i'm missing a de-esser at the dynamics section.
that's my point of view at the moment - i haven't worked with Xcontrol yet because i'm waiting for the mac-version, also i haven't tried the ipad-app because i'm waiting for the ipad mini, i really hope the app will run on the mini as well.
next week i'll test the X32 at a show for the first time, let's see if i have more to say then
cheers,
flo
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re: X32 Discussion
There's a known, easily-correctable problem with the routing of cables for channels 16 and 32. See this previous post by Uli Behringer:
http://soundforums.net/junior-varsity/4393-x32-discussion-50.html#post35451
Are you identifying something different?
There's a known, easily-correctable problem with the routing of cables for channels 16 and 32. See this previous post by Uli Behringer:
http://soundforums.net/junior-varsity/4393-x32-discussion-50.html#post35451
Are you identifying something different?
re: X32 Discussion
Hi Guys,
Apologies for any delays on our internal X32 Web Forum.
If we missed any of your posts on our internal Web Forum, my apologies.
I have contacted our web team who forwards these messages to the correct personel.
I will follow up.
Is there is anything you would like to let me know that you are concerned with?
You have two concerns that I located:
1 - You do not like that the pages cycle back to the first page when you get to the last page on X32 screens. I will see if this can be a added as a preference. I have to say this might be low on the priority list, as this is how the design team decided to have the pages function.
2 - The firewire routing issue. I will look into this first thing tomorrow and get back to you.
Once again sorry we missed your questions.
I can assure everyone that the X32 development team is reading the BEHRINGER forum and addressing potencial issues as well as possible additions to functionality.
Please be patient we are really trying to get to everyone as FAST AS POSSIBLE.
Thanks Again.
Best
Joe Sanborn
Manager, Channel Marketing
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
Hi Guys,
Apologies for any delays on our internal X32 Web Forum.
If we missed any of your posts on our internal Web Forum, my apologies.
I have contacted our web team who forwards these messages to the correct personel.
I will follow up.
Is there is anything you would like to let me know that you are concerned with?
You have two concerns that I located:
1 - You do not like that the pages cycle back to the first page when you get to the last page on X32 screens. I will see if this can be a added as a preference. I have to say this might be low on the priority list, as this is how the design team decided to have the pages function.
2 - The firewire routing issue. I will look into this first thing tomorrow and get back to you.
Once again sorry we missed your questions.
I can assure everyone that the X32 development team is reading the BEHRINGER forum and addressing potencial issues as well as possible additions to functionality.
Please be patient we are really trying to get to everyone as FAST AS POSSIBLE.
Thanks Again.
Best
Joe Sanborn
Manager, Channel Marketing
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
re: X32 Discussion
I have found another bug or anomaly, and would like to hear if anyone else has this same issue:
On all the Auxes 1-8 on my board, the High Frequency line indicator #4 is invisible. It does not appear like it does on all the other channel/bus screens. I can still sweep the frequency and make EQ adjustments, but the indicator line is gone. (See pics). A minor annoyance, but still a flaw.
I have found another bug or anomaly, and would like to hear if anyone else has this same issue:
On all the Auxes 1-8 on my board, the High Frequency line indicator #4 is invisible. It does not appear like it does on all the other channel/bus screens. I can still sweep the frequency and make EQ adjustments, but the indicator line is gone. (See pics). A minor annoyance, but still a flaw.
re: X32 Discussion
hey steve,
i'm aware of that posting but i think it's a different noise.
the general noise level of channel 16+32 is the same as with the other channels but 16+32 have a very slight 6k+12k sine - all in all none of a problem.
the phones out and the aux-ins are more affected - i recorded it (http://www.floxbox.net/stuff/X32.wav - first everything muted, then phones volume, then aux-ins unmuted) and posted a pic of the analyser.
to some people this might seem none of a problem, having had a tinnitus for quite some years i'm kinda sensitive to this noise
cheers,
flo
hey steve,
i'm aware of that posting but i think it's a different noise.
the general noise level of channel 16+32 is the same as with the other channels but 16+32 have a very slight 6k+12k sine - all in all none of a problem.
the phones out and the aux-ins are more affected - i recorded it (http://www.floxbox.net/stuff/X32.wav - first everything muted, then phones volume, then aux-ins unmuted) and posted a pic of the analyser.
to some people this might seem none of a problem, having had a tinnitus for quite some years i'm kinda sensitive to this noise
cheers,
flo
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re: X32 Discussion
Hi All,
Well.. Picked up my X32, and intend to use it in a project studio. I connected my Quested monitors to it via the monitor jack outputs, turned the desk on and there's this terrible low level 'Digital Noise' type sound... Sort of sounds like some of the early digital reverbs that had this whining, digital aliasing noise back ion the 80s... It's not present in the headphone outputs thank god - What i'm hoping it that teres' some configuration or setup option that I can change to get rid of it. It's not over the top mind you .. it's not loud.. but it's there and I hate it! Any advice?
Thanks
Pauly
Hi All,
Well.. Picked up my X32, and intend to use it in a project studio. I connected my Quested monitors to it via the monitor jack outputs, turned the desk on and there's this terrible low level 'Digital Noise' type sound... Sort of sounds like some of the early digital reverbs that had this whining, digital aliasing noise back ion the 80s... It's not present in the headphone outputs thank god - What i'm hoping it that teres' some configuration or setup option that I can change to get rid of it. It's not over the top mind you .. it's not loud.. but it's there and I hate it! Any advice?
Thanks
Pauly
re: X32 Discussion
Also, please note the iPad app's Matrix and MASTER section is greyed out, making it impossible to simply control the master volume of the system.
Also, please note the iPad app's Matrix and MASTER section is greyed out, making it impossible to simply control the master volume of the system.