Re: New Midas M32 Console
Not for recording purposes. For use with the Dugan. The Dugan is on my Mac. It works great. Now I'm trying to find a way to use more than the 8 channels my I/O has.
I'm curious how you use post fader outputs. I feed all of those things you mentioned via aux or matrices.
I don't want to burn up channels or inputs to have 2 inserts per channel. It's just software. You are literally just taking data from a point and sending it to the computer, then returning it to that point from the computer. The number of AD and DA remains the same.
The limitation on the M32 is that you can only have 32 channels in and out of the interface. As long as the total amount of inserts is limited to 32, it should be doable.
In fact it's odd to me that Yamaha has this limitation of 16 channels each way on the SLOTs. I think there should be a USB, FW, TB, or RJ45 connection on every digital desk that allows any input or output to be to or from the computer. I don't see what is so complex about it. Waves makes a MADI box that delivers 128 channels into the computer both ways. It's about the size of most large cell phones are today. Lists for about $2200. That means to me that dealer is about half that, and that means manufacturing is probably close to $500. cost and they are a software company so they have to be outsourcing. Why can't all of these manufacturers have this capability built in?
You answer it yourself, to add $200 worth of hardware hikes the retail price by $1000 at least. Another aspect is that on a live desk, latency is everything, and stuff adds latency or costs money in terms of added hardware.
You not only have the option of a so called virtual soundcheck, you also can use any number of plugins, and as you mentioned, routing into a com system, webcast, etc would be really easy. Recording and playback is the most obvious general use and that's what is going to drive the product.
The M32 certainly have the capability of virtual soundcheck, and similar to an analog desk have a "hard" insert between the preamp and the channel processing, thus Preamp -- Computer -- Channel processing is available on all channels. We can rehash the discussions on how some people prefer to record post processing and how this also is possible with some amount of routing. What you can't have, is everything you want without using up resources. To be able to use up all the resources of the desk for what you want and still have all the resources available for something else, then you need to get the Rack or Core in addition to the full desk.
We just need to convince them to allow for a post fader pick off point.
We have been nagging Behringer for a year now, and many of us will keep nagging to have the interface card available as inserts, hopefully with some more flexibility in terms of insert point.
Multiple insert points raise a latency issue that I believe Behringer has tried to avoid since the low latency of the mixer is a big plus at the moment.
In the studio 22 years ago we would prefer a post fader send to records and a post gain return when listening back or mixing down. Recording desks were usually made this way. Live desks usually want post gain so we can record the raw sound and fix it later.
Really? Not post big fader? That's a "disaster about to happen" patching. Even having the "B"-fader controlling recording level is nerve-wrecking.
"That was great, Paul, you really nailed it this time.....................uh oh" :blush:
