New Midas M32 Console

Re: New Midas M32 Console

Dirk Martens said:
If you take two mixer and plug them into the same studio boxes with a matrix to compare the sound. They both have to be same volume exact. If one is louder by 0.5 it will win in a blindest. same speakers same matrix same music switch between a and b.
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My preference when there is a console present, is run each speaker system off an aux or matrix. Levels not matched at all, faders for each output. That way I can listen through a range of SPL, and purposely try to avoid this whole issue.

Who knows, maybe it introduces many other problems.

I find that when doing demos for clients, I have to tell them what variables to listen for, and which ones not.
 
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There was no manual with my Pro1 either.Just a useless quick start guide.You could download the manual from the web but it was 450 pages and not very well written.I was lucky that Midas has Kyle Chirnside in their Vegas office who tutored me.With out Kyle,I probably would have sold the unit.
 
Re: New Midas M32 Console

Originally Posted by Per Søvik
No manual? So you guys wait and wait for this mixer, and since it hasn't been available on the market, there is no way to learn it?
Well, guess what, more than any other mixer that ever came to market, this one has had a training version available for two years, complete with documentation and discussion forum threads and everything.
You need training? There are lots of specialists out there, that have been practicing this mixer for a couple of years, we're available at $/€/£ 100 pr. hour, we can even give you a little discount :lol:
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Tim McCulloch said:
Plus 1.

For whatever differences may be sonically "real", the operation of the desk, the software that runs under the bonnet... is X32. I guess some folks are afraid that learning on it might soil their hands or lead them to question their Midas order.

Back to the unwashed masses.
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5 years ago who would have thought you would be reading a Behringer manual to learn how the latest digital desk from Midas works 8O~8-O~:shock:

Not really a good look!
 
Re: New Midas M32 Console

Hi Guys.

Don't get all worked up over the lack of a manual!!

It's just that I'm not used to a product like this not having ANY documentation tagging along in the box.
I work in the broadcast TV industry, and everything except a BNC-connector will normally have either a quick-start guide, a manual, or a CD with these, or a note saying "go to our website......".
This Midas had nothing. But it is NOT a World War 3-starting problem. :-)

Personally I have only had 5 minutes with an demo-X32 in a music shop a while back + several hours with the X-EDIT software to make a complete "offline" config that I loaded into the desk on wednesday. So I had an idea as to how the M32 would work.

The only thing I've looked up in the B-X32 manual so far is what format (FAT32) and codec (WAV) the files on a USB-stick should be to play audio files directly from the USB-port on the front of the desk.

Yesterday we connected some audio signals in/out and played around with it. All fine so far.
But we have not yet done any audio quality evaluation, that wont come until september in my case.
That is when the desk is mounted in the control room desk and connected to other sources/destinations and speakers to enable a test.

One of you will get the honor of doing such testing and posting it here! :-)


Regards
ARNE
 
Re: New Midas M32 Console

Caleb Dick said:
My preference when there is a console present, is run each speaker system off an aux or matrix. Levels not matched at all, faders for each output. That way I can listen through a range of SPL, and purposely try to avoid this whole issue.

Who knows, maybe it introduces many other problems.

I find that when doing demos for clients, I have to tell them what variables to listen for, and which ones not.
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If you compare two mixer this way you will not find the difference. For compare speakers this will not work too.
 
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Unbelievably, we are back to discussing Comparative Listening 1.01. :lol:

Obviously, the M32 will sound better. Chances are that one will hear the M32 more often with quality mikes, quality bands, playing through quality amps and speakers while the X32 is statistically more likely to be heard with lesser acts using SM58 and JBL PRX setups.
Of course, in both instances, the system is likely to be set up by a soundperson tuning the system by going "one, twoooh" into a PG48 :twisted:
 
Re: New Midas M32 Console

Dirk Martens said:
Per is right. If one mixer is only 0.5db louder it will sound better to your ear. you need good level match (100%) to make judgement.
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Not just level match... if you're listening to yourself babbling into a mic, perhaps with a pair of headphones, then latency differences will also affect the perceived sound. Not just the delay, but also the phase issues when mixing the processed signal with the acoustic sound that leaks through your skull.
 
Re: New Midas M32 Console

Tim McCulloch said:
All true, Eric, but specifically renting or leasing to cover the "Sir Not Yet Appearing In This Movie" mixer I think I'd rather make less profit and keep my customer than risk losing them because I don't have the console I was expecting. I think anyone booking me expecting an M32 would be happy to see me with a Pro2/C.

I certainly understand Sam's frustration, though, and also vote for realistic delivery dates and some mea culpas when stuff goes awry.
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Very true. I frequently have to do just this to cover myself in shipping and logistics, etc. I'm with you, I'd be looking for some discount on that shiny new console...
 
Re: New Midas M32 Console

Per Søvik said:
Unbelievably, we are back to discussing Comparative Listening 1.01. :lol:

Obviously, the M32 will sound better. Chances are that one will hear the M32 more often with quality mikes, quality bands, playing through quality amps and speakers while the X32 is statistically more likely to be heard with lesser acts using SM58 and JBL PRX setups.
Of course, in both instances, the system is likely to be set up by a soundperson tuning the system by going "one, twoooh" into a PG48 :twisted:
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You mean like this? :twisted:

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Re: New Midas M32 Console

Per Søvik said:
Of course, in both instances, the system is likely to be set up by a soundperson tuning the system by going "one, twoooh" into a PG48 :twisted:
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Or re-"tuned" using a single reference mic, laying sideways on the console doghouse, off-axis, and with the PA being shaded by the FOH tent.

Jason
 
Re: New Midas M32 Console

Per Søvik said:
Exactly!!! What is that?
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That is Eirik Søfteland using a Shure ULX-D system with a beta 58 capsule, performing at Osfest outside Bergen.

Brought my own mixer and S16 stageboxes of course 8)~8-)~:cool:

They had a active 3 way splitt system, so it was pretty straightforward setting up.
 
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Henning Fjeld said:
That is Eirik Søfteland using a Shure ULX-D system with a beta 58 capsule, performing at Osfest outside Bergen.

Brought my own mixer and S16 stageboxes of course 8)~8-)~:cool:

They had a active 3 way splitt system, so it was pretty straightforward setting up.
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Sorry, I meant the hang, not the source.
 
Re: New Midas M32 Console

Per Søvik said:
Unbelievably, we are back to discussing Comparative Listening 1.01. :lol:

Obviously, the M32 will sound better. Chances are that one will hear the M32 more often with quality mikes, quality bands, playing through quality amps and speakers while the X32 is statistically more likely to be heard with lesser acts using SM58 and JBL PRX setups.
Of course, in both instances, the system is likely to be set up by a soundperson tuning the system by going "one, twoooh" into a PG48 :twisted:
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I agree.

The "sound quality" argument for purchasing an M32 over an X32 is likely to be quite weak IMHO. This is especially true when considering the much higher quality of acts, mix engineers, speakers and mic's likely to be used with an M32 vs an X32.

There are other arguments that are better though. The warranty is better, the case is much better, the mechanical parts (especially the faders) are better. The rider friendliness is also going to be a big factor.
 
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