X32 Discussion

re: X32 Discussion

Hallo guys,

A lot of you already are werking with the x32. I'm thinking about buying the x32. Next saturday I will test the x32 on our band repetition.

In the Netherlands I'm also following discussions about the x32. One of the things a couple of guys say is the following:
when you have a almost full board the x32 will sound thinner than when you only use one or two channels. What's youre experience with that? I would like to know if this is true or just behringer-bashing.

Greetings
 
re: X32 Discussion

Sietse Lolkema said:
when you have a almost full board the x32 will sound thinner than when you only use one or two channels. What's youre experience with that? I would like to know if this is true or just behringer-bashing.
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I wouldn't describe the X32 as being "thin." The best word I've heard thus far is "smooth."

Eric H.
 
re: X32 Discussion

Per Søvik said:
There's a new concept for us ;)~;-)~:wink:

When you described the problem at first, I was thinking maybe the trim had something to do with it, that the signal out of the DAW had been trimmed down 12 dB and therefore there was a discrepancy between what you saw in the DAW meters and what happened at the gate.
If you are using a filter key that obviously explains everything. If you are using a bandpass filter with a high Q and a frequency above the fundamentals, the difference can quickly become very large indeed. One problem with trying to meter in a situation like that is that there will not be much consistency anyway due to the obviously dynamic content of the signal and the variation in ratio between the whole signal and the key signal. I'm not sure if metering would be much use in such a situation, it would come down to the ears and experience anyway. Now, I'm not sure when you would use the key filter in such a way that this discrepancy would show up. Gating a drum you would set the filter smack on the fundamental (wouldn't you) and the signal content getting through the filter would be somewhat closer to the unfiltered signal, I would imagine.
When using the gate in a more creative manner, I'd say that the ears would have to rule.

Moving the meters about to suit the application would certainly be a welcome feature for many reasons. I guess we can hope that one day......
One legitimate fear that Behringer might have is that providing us with too many options and functions too soon will lead to an exponential growth in support calls.
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Just to clarify - This was x32 meters and not daw meters. The daw (Presonus StudioOne) only supplied music content for 'live' mixing into 24-channels, controlled by the mackie control emulation.

Even notching the fundamental gives you a 12dB in level reduction with a Q=3.

Using the ears in a live room (think hard rock band) is a problem when tuning a ’silent' fx. The guidance of a correct meter would be beneficial.

I'm thinking that when 'key listen'-mode is engaged that the input meter follows this mode on the gate setup screen.

On a somewhat daw related issue. When the daw output 0dBFS, x32 will light up its clip light. This is an 'issue' if someone gives you normalized tracks. Clip light should only be activated when a real clip occur.

x32 makes it a real joy again to do live mixes on the console with pre-recorded multitrack content.

A nice addition would be to have the mackie meters on the big lcd as well. Right now they're only on the meters above the faders.

Soon I will develop an osc-app that has a dedicated meters view, like the mackie TT-24 had in its remote app.

Some interesting findings I have made is that the midi-documentation mentions support for touch-write and the osc-documentation says that the hpf is selectable 12/18/24dB.

The format of the saves scenes and channels seems to reflect the osc-implementation.
 
re: X32 Discussion

Sietse Lolkema said:
Hallo guys,

A lot of you already are werking with the x32. I'm thinking about buying the x32. Next saturday I will test the x32 on our band repetition.

In the Netherlands I'm also following discussions about the x32. One of the things a couple of guys say is the following:
when you have a almost full board the x32 will sound thinner than when you only use one or two channels. What's youre experience with that? I would like to know if this is true or just behringer-bashing.

Greetings
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Hello Sietse - Funny you should mention that... I'm heading out on a limb, but I found that I was lacking some clarity as well as mid "grunt" when I was mixing a 10 piece disco band sat night. When I pushed some low mid, to get some meat, it got ugly... this was on 2 tx-4's over 2 tx9's in a room for 300 people. I'm chaulking it up to that fact that I was mixing on a system that was 3 way instead of 4 way (what i am used to), but I felt over-all that I was having a hard time of it. I recorded to the stick just so I could play it back at home in the studio, and on some other sources... I'm holding my thumbs down recommendation until I've mixed something on my "normal rig" that i know the sound of.
 
re: X32 Discussion

Joe Sanborn said:
Hi Liam,
I just received an NFR copy of Sonar. We will be testing next week and see what we find. I really think this is a PC/Sonar issue. The X32 has worked flawless with PT, Logic and even the Free Reaper app on a PC.

Hope to have some info on this in the coming week.

Best
Joe Sanborn
Manager, Channel Marketing
MUSIC Group
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Hi everyone......
Regarding the Mackie Control problem with Sonar
I had a problem getting my Presonus Faderport to work with Sonar and I came accross this file on the internet explaining how to register the DLL driver so that Sonar can use it, and it did work for me, my Faderport works 100% in Sonar.

" After you install the Faderport files, the DLL file can be found in "C:\Program Files\PreSonus\FaderPort\FaderPort Dll".
Copy Faderport.DLL file to the "C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Shared Surfaces" folder.

Make sure Sonar is closed, and then invoke the Run Command by using the Windows key and and "R" key. Then type:


regsvr32 "C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Shared Surfaces\faderport.dll"


Finally, you'll click OK and you'll see a message that confirms the DllRegisterServer was successful.


Now you can go through the normal steps In Sonar to add the Faderport MIDI ports and control surface. "



I was wondering if this would be something to look at with the behringer drivers ??? I did however tried registering the DLL's which they did register but obviously they did not make a difference as these drivers are for asio audio and not for the midi.

I just wanted to throw this in the pot, to try and figure out why the Mackie Control doesn't work with Sonar....
Hope someone can find a solution to this

Regards
Andre
 
XiControl Update for iPAD - TODAY

All,

In case anybody has missed it, Xi Control has been updated to day on the UK Apple appstore to V1.1.1. It advises that this fixes a couple of critical issues as follows:

  • The background crash, if the iPad screen goes to save mode (black) then XiControl would crash
  • The faders on the 'Mtx-Main' screen including 'LR' not functioning
  • A few other minor fixes

I've not had a chance to go to the church to test this release but assuming it does fix the above then this is a big step forward for useability.


Mike
 
Re: XiControl - No Faders in Mtx-Main View

Bob Harvey said:
Thank you, Chris and Paul, for your response. We'll look forward to the next release of XiControl. It will only keep getting better. :thumbup:
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Hi Bob,

I wanted to follow up with you regarding the Mtx-Main view, which has been implemented into the XiControl iPad app. This update was made available this morning.

What's New in Version 1.1.1
Posted Oct 22, 2012

*Fader/Pan control bug in Matrix page fixed
*Pans in DCA page removed
*Faders for Group Buses in Sends On Faders removed
*Background mode crash fixed
*Position of LR meters on Detail strip corrected


Best,

Chris Painter
Specialist, Product Support
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
 
re: X32 Discussion

Shane Presley said:
the way to flip to the second graphic would be to use the arrow key next to the display to get to your "b" graphic
I know it's another "button press", but you would need to press another direct access button anyway to get to mix "2"
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Right I realize that. But again the point is to have each EQ on it's own assign button. That's what I would like.

Shane Presley said:
PSS - stop calling the ID10T issues "bugs" before you flush out that the issue is not standing in front of the console.
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Was this aimed at me directly? ID10T issues? Does that mean idoit?
 
re: X32 Discussion

Rob Bolling said:
All the info you guys using it to record can give me would be greatly appreciated. Any sound examples made using Sonar and the X32 pres with good quality condensers would REALLY be appreciated.
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I've posted some live recordings that I made with the X32:
Petty Thief by famepot on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free
Isn't it Midnight - Second Hand Newz by famepot on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free.

These were recorded from the X32 card USB connection to Reaper on my netbook. The tracks were mixed, playing back in Reaper on the netbook into the USB port on the card of the X32 and recorded 2 track to the USB recorder on the mixer. All processing was done with the X32 compressors, effects, etc. I only spent 15-20 minutes on each song, so these are a little rough.
 
re: X32 Discussion

Channel Panning Within Groups
I might be missing the obvious here... Please inform me if so! I just can't find anyway of panning a single input channel within a 'stereo group'. For example, sending channel 1 to mix bus 1&2 under the group option, the pan control becomes inactive. This can't be right, I must be missing the obvious?
 
re: X32 Discussion

David Emery said:
Channel Panning Within Groups
I might be missing the obvious here... Please inform me if so! I just can't find anyway of panning a single input channel within a 'stereo group'. For example, sending channel 1 to mix bus 1&2 under the group option, the pan control becomes inactive. This can't be right, I must be missing the obvious?
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Hi David,

Instead of using Sub Groups, use a Post Fader Send, You also have to link Busses 1 and 2. Bus one send knob on that channel, becomes the the level to this Stereo Bus, and bus 2 knob on that channel, becomes the pan for the Stereo Bus.

Hope it helps!

Best
Joe Sanborn
Manager, Channel Marketing
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
 
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re: X32 Discussion

David Emery said:
Channel Panning Within Groups
I might be missing the obvious here... Please inform me if so! I just can't find anyway of panning a single input channel within a 'stereo group'. For example, sending channel 1 to mix bus 1&2 under the group option, the pan control becomes inactive. This can't be right, I must be missing the obvious?
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Dear David,

Thanks for the question, and it sounds like you almost have it!

First, make sure to Link Buses 1 and 2 into a stereo group. Select Bus 1, and press Link using the first push encoder at the bottom of the Main display. Then confirm by pressing YES.

Now select channel 1. The PAN/BAL knob only affects the panning going to the main mix. To Pan the stereo Bus 1 and 2, use the Bus Sends knobs 1 and 2 in the Channel Strip. Knob 1 works as the volume going to Bus 1 and 2. Knob 2 works as the Pan control for the stereo Bus.


Best,

Chris Painter
Specialist, Product Support
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
 
re: X32 Discussion

Channel Panning Within Groups
I might be missing the obvious here... Please inform me if so! I just can't find anyway of panning a single input channel within a 'stereo group'. For example, sending channel 1 to mix bus 1&2 under the group option, the pan control becomes inactive. This can't be right, I must be missing the obvious?
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maybe i'm not getting you right or joe and chris.

first of all - what do you wanna achieve?
do you wanna group channels (e.g drums) and send them to the stereo bus altogether or do you wanna create a stereo IEM/monitor mix?

cheers,
flo
 
re: X32 Discussion

Robert Lofgren said:
Just to clarify - This was x32 meters and not daw meters. The daw (Presonus StudioOne) only supplied music content for 'live' mixing into 24-channels, controlled by the mackie control emulation.
Even notching the fundamental gives you a 12dB in level reduction with a Q=3.
Using the ears in a live room (think hard rock band) is a problem when tuning a ’silent' fx. The guidance of a correct meter would be beneficial.
I'm thinking that when 'key listen'-mode is engaged that the input meter follows this mode on the gate setup screen..
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I totally get you, as someone who relies on meters to set a lot of things in a live situation, my ears are basically worthless (or at least I'm afraid they are) and any help I can get is greatly appreciated. However, short of having a meter post filter, aren't we reasonably well served by the reduction meters on the main display? They are certainly beating the reduction meters on the gates/compressors in my rack.
Experience have also told me time and time again to not fiddle with these things after the sound check, and adding tools that in theory would help me immensely, like rta on solo outs and what have you just seems to add to the things to ignore when I feel like starting to make mistakes :razz:


On a somewhat daw related issue. When the daw output 0dBFS, x32 will light up its clip light. This is an 'issue' if someone gives you normalized tracks. Clip light should only be activated when a real clip occur..
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Yes, annoying one that, but given that you can only trim 12dB unless you reroute, in the future I'm going to normalize to -6 dB. I don't agree that the clip light should only come on at real clip, that is like having the first warning sign telling you: "Warning! You have just driven off a cliff".

x32 makes it a real joy again to do live mixes on the console with pre-recorded multitrack content.

A nice addition would be to have the mackie meters on the big lcd as well. Right now they're only on the meters above the faders.

Soon I will develop an osc-app that has a dedicated meters view, like the mackie TT-24 had in its remote app.

Some interesting findings I have made is that the midi-documentation mentions support for touch-write and the osc-documentation says that the hpf is selectable 12/18/24dB.

The format of the saves scenes and channels seems to reflect the osc-implementation.
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Yes the scenes are OSC, but not the exact format, so translation is needed. Most of it makes sense though so shouldn't be too hard once we get the hang of it.

Touch isn't different from any other controller as far as I can tell, the daw registers movement of the fader as touch and can either latch or release after the movement is finished. Since actual touch is not detected, keeping the finger on the fader won't keep the daw in write mode if you're in non latch mode, and I'm still waiting to see a good piece of software to detect resistance in the fader when daw tries to move and thus keep the automation in write mode (isn't this how most controllers gets worn out or ruined?)

Have a look at www.x32user.net for some more in depth on the subject of OSC etc, would be good if the whole x32-related developer/hacker community could post or link their stuff there for everybody to enjoy when it is not really suited for the mainstream of this forum.
 
re: X32 Discussion

Chris Wadden said:
Right I realize that. But again the point is to have each EQ on it's own assign button. That's what I would like.



Was this aimed at me directly? ID10T issues? Does that mean idoit?
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I would really like that too Chris, it`s a feature that has to be implemented sooner or later. I normally don`t use graphic eq for my monitors/wedges, but old school people sure do. I guess we are both idiots 8O~8-O~:shock:
 
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