X32 Discussion

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Touch isn't different from any other controller as far as I can tell, the daw registers movement of the fader as touch and can either latch or release after the movement is finished. Since actual touch is not detected, keeping the finger on the fader won't keep the daw in write mode if you're in non latch mode, and I'm still waiting to see a good piece of software to detect resistance in the fader when daw tries to move and thus keep the automation in write mode (isn't this how most controllers gets worn out or ruined?)
I've just been playing around with the touch automation controller offered by the x32.

Just enable touch automation in your favorite daw.

The x32 will detect resistance in the fader and go into write mode.

Also, if you want to simulate touch, the x32 enables touch via the mute button for that fader.

The key to all this functionality is to enable 'sends on fader' while still in 'remote' mode.

This very interesting info is partialy documented in the midi-docs, but you really have to look for it and it doesn't mention anyting about resistance control anywhere :roll:
 
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Dear all,

Since my name was mentioned in one of the recent posts, please allow me to comment.

Within only a few months of delivery, we have sold over 20,000 X32’s and demand continues to be overwhelming. Distributors and dealers are telling us that the X32 is the most successful digital mixing console they have introduced to date.

We are very proud of the success of the X32 as it represents not only a milestone in our Company history but also demonstrates the wonderful cooperation between our sister companies Midas and Behringer. The development of the console has taken over 4 years and many people have worked extremely hard to design, develop and manufacture this product.

As with all complex products, it is fully expected that there are some technical glitches and I believe it is fair to say, that this goes for every manufacturer. What matters is that we are here to help every single customer in case he/she needs support.
I hope you can appreciate that our Care and Customer Support teams are going out of their way to immediately help each customer, even if it means that in some cases we visit them at their studio or home.


The immense value that the product represents, has now encouraged many users of analog desks to switch over to the digital domain.
However, the experienced people among you are well aware that there are fundamental differences when it comes to digital products as this product category is very sensitive for example to power interruptions which can cause products to “freeze” or “reboot”.
This is the reason why all manufacturers of digital products recommend to use UPS devices in critical live environments.


It is also expected that people need some time to get familiar with all the features of this console. You may have noticed that most reported “bugs” or “defects” are usually resolved by an explanation how a particular feature works.
I like to take the opportunity to thank everyone here who has been jumping in and helping other people.


We take every issue and potential defect extremely seriously and we’re also very open about any issue that need to be addressed. In the case of Greg Novo who reported two defective consoles in a row, we are frankly puzzled as we have never heard of these issues to date. We suspect that there might be either an issue with the mains power supply quality or something that is not related to the X32 itself.
We are now in the process of getting these consoles back to our German R&D lab and will report our findings in this forum once we fully understand the background.

The failure rate of our products is indeed below 0.7%, a number that is independently reported by Thomann, Europe's largest retailer. You may contact them to verify this number.


The X32 roadmap

After shipping the first products, our whole focus was (and still is) to listen to customers and immediately fix any “bugs” they bring up. You might have noticed that within only three months, we have addressed most of them and the X32 is a very stable product which many users here can confirm. Before we released the console, we had 20 professional users such as Christian Boche test the X32 for over six months on the road.
However, it is understandable that one might get a wrong impression when reading about user issues here due to the sheer amount of consoles in the market.

We are now in Phase 2 which means our recent firmware releases already include new features, an exciting development that will continue and in fact accelerate. For example many of you have requested a De-Esser and I can share with you, that one of our next releases will include this new “FX Plug In”. For Generation 2 software next year, it is planned to have a Real Time Analyzer built in, which can be activated in conjunction with any GEQ or PEQ.

We are still at a very early stage when it comes to demonstrating the true power of the X32. What is really exciting is the fact, that the X32 - together with the Digital Snake S16 and the Personal Monitor System P16 - represents an incredibly comprehensive and affordable audio eco-system.

As I mentioned earlier, the X32 is a “living console” which will massively grow over time in terms of features and workflow, but also in conjunction with other products.

The X32 journey has just begun and the upcoming 2013 Namm show will be truly exciting!


Warm regards

Uli


P.S. We're now shipping the Digital Snake S16.
 
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Dear all,

Since my name was mentioned in one of the recent posts, please allow me to comment.

...

Warm regards

Uli

Hello Mr. Uli,

I hear You 8)~8-)~:cool:

It's nice to see that you and your co-workers still are on top of things and not exhausted already :)~:-)~:smile:.

People were telling me that I was crazy to get a Behringer board and for that kind of money, but I'm so happy to have proven them wrong so far. I hope that the future will be in favour for both of us :)~:-)~:smile:.


However, one thing that I'd like you to escalate is the Behringer forum site.

While this thread is a really great/huge resource, it's frankly a big hog with its 122pages@2423messages (and still counting)!

Looking at your own site in the x32-section it is depressing to see no such lively discussion taking place there. Even the presence of Behringer staff looks thin compared to this thread.

Please check for your self, and see if that section of your forum shares your vision of 'we hear you' when it comes to the x32.


Best of luck,
/--robert
 
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I can confirm getting effects to work is easy at least from my point of view and works in a pretty standard "analogue" way. Adjust bus send on the channel (13 - 16) ensure bus master is up and FX returns are routed to stereo out. Just works for me no issues.

Per, from what it sounds like, you are wanting to set the "loop effects" (as the manual calls them) to a pre-fader state. I am sure there is a routing/setup tab to allow this. I will search the manual for a reference on where this might be. The bus for whatever effect you are using will have to be enabled to hear the return of the effected signal so in that situation, yes something will have to be up for you to hear your effect.


There is no problem with the effects, and they work the way it is described, so no problem there if I follow the prescribed procedure.

My issue, problem or whatever is that I don't like learning procedures i don't fully understand, but work from an understanding of how things work and how things are connected, so there is a logic connection between my mental image, what I observe and the procedure I'm following. Fully understanding the logic of a procedure makes it so much easier to remember.
In my mind, there is a discrepancy between the block diagram, the representation on the screen menus, the logic of the third fader layer and what is actually going on.
Aux and fx on the layer are represented the same way, output can apparently be routed in exactly the same manner.
The bus channel that the fx is associated to indicates that the effect is not inserted to that bus channel, and logically the output fader of that bus channel shouldn't affect the fx return.
I know that my mental image of how the effect is routed is wrong, and have no problem accepting that. I guess I would like a diagram showing the exact effect routing :)~:-)~:smile:
 
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Dear Robert,

thank you for your kind comment.

I had addressed this issue in one of my earlier posts. The current forum is not working properly and we are in the process to switch to a new solution.

We're are currently in test-mode and hope to go "live" real soon. Our plan is to move some of the FAQ's over to our new Forum and sort them based on topics to make it easy to navigate.

Thanks for your patience

Uli
 
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I've just been playing around with the touch automation controller offered by the x32.

Just enable touch automation in your favorite daw.

The x32 will detect resistance in the fader and go into write mode.

Also, if you want to simulate touch, the x32 enables touch via the mute button for that fader.

The key to all this functionality is to enable 'sends on fader' while still in 'remote' mode.

This very interesting info is partialy documented in the midi-docs, but you really have to look for it and it doesn't mention anyting about resistance control anywhere :roll:

I wasn't aware that the X32 actually sent the "write on", "write off" messages based on fader movement and resistance, assumed the mute button did the messages and that it was up to the daw to detect "write" based on fader movement. If the X32 behaves like a console with inductive touch sensors, keeping the daw in write mode untill the fader is released, I'm impressed and surprised. Anyway, except for the total coolness of having touch sensitive faders, I'm perfectly happy pressing the write button if I end up using the X32 as my studio console.
( First I need to convert our new premises into something resembling a studio with the infrastructure and acoustics that I want, and considering that the whole project costs nearly a houndred times the price of the X32, I might just get myself an ubercool control surface anyway :D~:-D~:grin: . And yes, I have recently bitten more than I can chew and digest :blush:)
 
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About the headphone amps.
6/12 kHz Noise: I tested last night and was unable to detect any noise, even at full output gain.
Insufficient gain: Even at a nominal -18dBfs I was able to crank the headphones up to a level that was far too loud for my taste, and pushing everything up to peaking at -6dBfs I could hear fine from a distance and was afraid to push further.
I was using a pair of medium sensitivity 20 ohm headphones, so I could imagine that a set of low sensivity headphones in the 160 to 600 ohm range would have more of an issue with max attainable level, so I'll look out my old K140 and have a listen.
 
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I'm about to download and install Windows 8 on my main recording PC.

I hope that the Benringer audio drivers will work without any hiccups.

Anyone using Windows 8 with the X32 yet?
 
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G'day Uli,

Firstly - Thanks for the reassurance - It's genuinely comforting to know the 'guy at the helm' is taking an active interest in his wares.

I can tell you first hand, that your team here in Australia (in collaboration with the care team in the States) are working hard to resolve my issues - I've had genuine reliability problems, and they continue, but I am confident everything that could be done is being done.

When the issues are resolved I will let you know via this board and when that happens - Boy! what a product!

Please don't forget to add 'tap point' (Pre-post etc) selection capability for the XUF card (in a firmware update) as that's important to me - Also - I'm dearly looking forward to a card that has the firewire connection _and_ some SPDIF inputs (or some way to get SPDIF into the X32) - That's also important as a number of my preamps have SPDIF outputs which I can no longer use!

Again - Thanks for the reassurance and congratulations on a wonderful concept that will be close to ideal (at that price point) when the quality & reliability comes up to scratch.

Pauly





Dear all,

Since my name was mentioned in one of the recent posts, please allow me to comment.

Within only a few months of delivery, we have sold over 20,000 X32’s and demand continues to be overwhelming. Distributors and dealers told us that the X32 is the most successful digital mixing console they have introduced to date.
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Uli,

you guys are doing great, I am impressed with the board and the price. The only thing that impresses me more is your customer service I messaged joe last night and he contacted me to reassure me you guys are takin care if problems. I see you guys in here everytime I log in you explain, walk us through, put on webinars (which I hope you are recording ) and most importantly you guys listen. That right there makes this console and other behringer products worth giving a shot! I have not seen one rep make an excuse for anything that has happen that's key ! The boards new there are things to address that's normal as long as you guys keep grinding away at this and keep listening I think behringer will move out of the past and is a force to be recond with ! Keep up the good work !
 
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Sadly Cakewalk seems to default to that driver.

If I could use the Asio driver fully ( all 32 channels) I'd be happy

There does not even seem to be a WDM option its WDMKP or something similar.

WDM/KP is just what Sonar calls the WDM driver. (I think the KP is "Kernel Process") I am interested to see how you resolve this. Again, it sounds like the drivers are not optimized for Sonar. This would be too bad as Sonar is my DAW of choice. I think both Behringer and Roland/Cakewalk need to work on resolving this issue. However, I wonder if it is something system specific to your computer as many others are saying all 32 I/O is working correctly for them. Unless you are running something antiquated for a system, both Sonar and the X32 should have the drivers written for the ability to work correctly across a wide range of platforms and chipsets. I understand that Firewire likes TI chipsets and since on desktops FW is usually an add-on card this is no big deal, but MOBO chipset compatibility is something that should fall to the MFG. of music peripherals and their individual drivers more than the MFG of the computer hardware.
 
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If you go to the windows audio mixer panel (the small speaker icon) and select 'playback devices' and 'recording devices'. How many WDM's are listed in these views?

In all systems that I've seen there has never been more than eight channels per physical device. Even my StudioLive only provides eight channels of wdm (configurable to any of the 24 channels).

My MOTU system has it's own app/config program and it shows 24 channel of I/O. However, the software is hidden in the "control panel" of Windows. You may have some util for the Studio Live that you are unaware of that installed with the drivers. I will post you a screenshot of my I/O config when I am back at my studio.
 
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Saludos,
I'm back from Spain and it is good to see, that the forum is still going strong!
Concerning the Sonar problem, if Sonar does not work at all, it might be a mismatch in the ASIO version of the card and Sonar.
It was new to me, that there are obviously more the one version of the Asio standard. There was a user in the sac forum, who couldn't get his Marian Seraph soundcard to work with Sac-->

SAWStudio / SAC User Group - View Single Post - MARIAN drivers

Maybe this could be the same here, I don't know. My desk works with Studio One, Logic (both on Mac and PC) with Reaper, Cubase 5&6, Sac and Sawstudio on PC. No problem at all.

Have a great weekend!
Christian
 
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This post is primarily a request to John DiNicola, Dick Franks, and Joe Sanborn, but anyone else that has recorded with the X32 to a DAW please weigh in.

The following are two sound clips of works in progress. They aren’t finished, and the encoding at sound cloud is lacking a bit, but would you say that you feel the X32 could replicate what you hear in the clips? I do a lot of vocal work, intricate acapella arrangements and hybrid mixes as well, so it is vocals I am most concerned with.

Both clips were done using a Shure KSM 32 mic.

The “This Side” recording is all acapella and was tracked through a Presonus VXP entirely.

The “Verse 1 Test” is a hybrid with everything but drums and bass guitar vocal. Drums are programmed, and Bass was tracked with a POD UX2. The vocal music bed was via the VXP and the Lead vocal is Mackie Oynx Blackbird.

Mixing was done via Yamaha 02R V2. (not the 96 version)

From what you have heard, would you think can I duplicate the sound with an X32?

Thanks for the feedback.

This Side Demo Middle by Simple Measure Production on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free

Verse 1 Test HH by Simple Measure Production on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free
 
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WDM/KP is just what Sonar calls the WDM driver. (I think the KP is "Kernel Process") I am interested to see how you resolve this. Again, it sounds like the drivers are not optimized for Sonar. This would be too bad as Sonar is my DAW of choice. I think both Behringer and Roland/Cakewalk need to work on resolving this issue. However, I wonder if it is something system specific to your computer as many others are saying all 32 I/O is working correctly for them. Unless you are running something antiquated for a system, both Sonar and the X32 should have the drivers written for the ability to work correctly across a wide range of platforms and chipsets. I understand that Firewire likes TI chipsets and since on desktops FW is usually an add-on card this is no big deal, but MOBO chipset compatibility is something that should fall to the MFG. of music peripherals and their individual drivers more than the MFG of the computer hardware.

Hi there, I was just reading your post and as I'm also using Sonar (8.5 Producer), I was intereste to see if I could get all 32 channels to show, I'm only using 16 in / 16 out. I quickly set my desk to 32 in / 32 out and fired up Sonar and all inputs and outputs show.

In Audio properties/Drivers. Behringer X-UF USB ASIO x64 X-32 - Input 1 all the way down to Input 32.

So this means that the X-UF drivers are working fine with Sonar 8.5 at least.

Hope this helps

Andre
 
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Hi there, I was just reading your post and as I'm also using Sonar (8.5 Producer), I was intereste to see if I could get all 32 channels to show, I'm only using 16 in / 16 out. I quickly set my desk to 32 in / 32 out and fired up Sonar and all inputs and outputs show.

In Audio properties/Drivers. Behringer X-UF USB ASIO x64 X-32 - Input 1 all the way down to Input 32.

So this means that the X-UF drivers are working fine with Sonar 8.5 at least.

Hope this helps

Andre

Very good to hear Andre.
 
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Hi there, I was just reading your post and as I'm also using Sonar (8.5 Producer), I was intereste to see if I could get all 32 channels to show, I'm only using 16 in / 16 out. I quickly set my desk to 32 in / 32 out and fired up Sonar and all inputs and outputs show.

In Audio properties/Drivers. Behringer X-UF USB ASIO x64 X-32 - Input 1 all the way down to Input 32.

So this means that the X-UF drivers are working fine with Sonar 8.5 at least.

Hope this helps

Andre

I can confirm that Sonar X1 does show almost all inputs and outputs - only the odd numbered ones for some reason so far.

And I can't hear anything played back through the X32 yet either.
 
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Hi there, I was just reading your post and as I'm also using Sonar (8.5 Producer), I was intereste to see if I could get all 32 channels to show, I'm only using 16 in / 16 out. I quickly set my desk to 32 in / 32 out and fired up Sonar and all inputs and outputs show.

In Audio properties/Drivers. Behringer X-UF USB ASIO x64 X-32 - Input 1 all the way down to Input 32.

So this means that the X-UF drivers are working fine with Sonar 8.5 at least.

Hope this helps

Andre

Hi Andre, thanks for the info.

I'd be really curious to see exactly how you set up your X32 for routing.

Sonar X2 is not running well with the X32 on my PC (its a quad core AMD with 4GB) Sonar X1 does show all the odd inputs (I'm sure Windows 7 did show them all under Sonar X1).

I'm now on Windows 8 which does not help I suppose - upgraded today.
 
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Hi Andre, thanks for the info.

I'd be really curious to see exactly how you set up your X32 for routing.

Sonar X2 is not running well with the X32 on my PC (its a quad core AMD with 4GB) Sonar X1 does show all the odd inputs (I'm sure Windows 7 did show them all under Sonar X1).

I'm now on Windows 8 which does not help I suppose - upgraded today.

Liam:

Showing just the odd channels is a Sonar thing. You should see something like this:
1 left
1 right
1 stereo
3 left
3 right
3 stereo
etc.

1 right and 3 right are actually 2 & 4

Hope this helps,

-Jim