X32 Discussion

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Rob Bolling said:
This post is primarily a request to John DiNicola, Dick Franks, and Joe Sanborn, but anyone else that has recorded with the X32 to a DAW please weigh in.

From what you have heard, would you think can I duplicate the sound with an X32?
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I don't see why not. You may need to add some external processing if you have favorites that can't be duplicated by the X32, but so far I've just used the envelope capabilities of Reaper so I can get some "automation" on volume control. I've done more than 25 shows with the X32, recording all of them. I just started mixing recordings after a 30 year break, and the X32 makes it easy, and now I have plenty of material to practice with. I buying another X32, so I'll have one for live shows and one for my studio setup.
 
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Jim Schmidtke said:
Liam:

Showing just the odd channels is a Sonar thing. You should see something like this:
1 left
1 right
1 stereo
3 left
3 right
3 stereo
etc.

1 right and 3 right are actually 2 & 4

Hope this helps,

-Jim
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Good to know Jim. Thanks.

Ableton Live is doing the same thing with the numbers.

Can you remind me how to playback audio to the X32?

I've changed something but reset the X32 earlier. Now I can see (faders moving in the DAW but not on the X32) and record audio to the DAW but no sound is coming back through the X32.
 
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Rob Bolling said:
This post is primarily a request to John DiNicola, Dick Franks, and Joe Sanborn, but anyone else that has recorded with the X32 to a DAW please weigh in.

The following are two sound clips of works in progress. They aren’t finished, and the encoding at sound cloud is lacking a bit, but would you say that you feel the X32 could replicate what you hear in the clips? I do a lot of vocal work, intricate acapella arrangements and hybrid mixes as well, so it is vocals I am most concerned with.

Both clips were done using a Shure KSM 32 mic.

The “This Side” recording is all acapella and was tracked through a Presonus VXP entirely.

The “Verse 1 Test” is a hybrid with everything but drums and bass guitar vocal. Drums are programmed, and Bass was tracked with a POD UX2. The vocal music bed was via the VXP and the Lead vocal is Mackie Oynx Blackbird.

Mixing was done via Yamaha 02R V2. (not the 96 version)

From what you have heard, would you think can I duplicate the sound with an X32?

Thanks for the feedback.

This Side Demo Middle by Simple Measure Production on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free

Verse 1 Test HH by Simple Measure Production on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free
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Hi Rob,

Great sounding tracks! The first track had a taste of XTC in it. Good stuff.
It is funny I used to do a lot of acapella recording with an O2R!
I think you could actually get as good or better quality out of an X32.
As with any digital mixer I believe the end quality comes down to the mic pre amps, A/D converters, solid clocking and the mix bus.


In my case I think back when I replaced my O2R, I was moving over to ProTools. While I still use ProTools, I came back to a console and think the X32 sounds great.
When I was using the O2R I would often use external mic pre amps. So far I really like the X32 mic pre amps, but as they say mic pre amps are like wine tasting. I like the sound of Neve mic pre amps because they are not very transparent and sound very "creamy" to me. Some modern mic pre amps are transparent but can sound sort of sterile. I think the X32 mic pre amps have a very pleasant characteristic to them and sound musical and not sterile. Just how I hear it.


Sound quality, in my opinion is not a question, the X32 would give great results.
I guess it really comes down to, are you looking to improve the quality of your work, or are you lacking any functions that the X32 could help your productions with.

I hope it help!

Best
Joe Sanborn
Manager, Channel Marketing
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
 
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Joe Sanborn said:
Hi Rob,


When I was using the O2R, the one area I was not always happy with, was the sound of the mic pre amps and as a result I would often use external mic pre amps.

I guess it really comes down to, are you looking to improve the quality of your work, or are you lacking any functions that the X32 could help your productions with.

I hope it help!

Best
Joe Sanborn
Manager, Channel Marketing
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
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Thanks for the kind response.

The pres aren't the only thing that are a challenge with an 02R, but they are the biggest thing. I can honestly say I have never used anything ran through an 02R pre. They just simply are bad. Don't get me wrong, I will miss my 02R, but it is time for something new and another 8 tracks without subbing in the DAW.

Yes Joe, I would like 2 things very much, #1 usable pres to augment my external pres, and to replace a dated and aging console/interface combination with something with more capabilities.

It is looking more and more like the X32 may fit that bill.
 
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Would like to flip the phase of Mixes or Analog outs. Is this possible?
I also would like to send my generator out to more than one location.
I use the combination of these two features to set delays when in a hurry.
 
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Liam Donaldson said:
Good to know Jim. Thanks.

Ableton Live is doing the same thing with the numbers.

Can you remind me how to playback audio to the X32?

I've changed something but reset the X32 earlier. Now I can see (faders moving in the DAW but not on the X32) and record audio to the DAW but no sound is coming back through the X32.
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Hello Liam. I'll give it a try.

To get audio back from Sonar into the X32, the procedure should be something like this:

1. With Sonar closed, Push the Setup button and go to the Card tab on the X32. Under Configuration, choose how many card channels you want to go to & from the X32 to Sonar. The first number (IN) is the number of card channels you want to be available to Sonar's inputs followed by the second number (OUT) which is the number of card channels that will be available for Sonar to send audio back to the X32.

2. Open Sonar. Hit P for Preferences. Under Audio/Devices you should see all the input and output card channels available from the X32. Check the ones that you want to use. Hit OK to save your choices.

3. If you want individual Sonar channels to feed the X32, select each Sonar channel (up to 32) and use the pull down output menu at the bottom of the channel strip and choose the X32 card channel that you want to send it to. Do this for each Sonar channel. If you want to send just your main mix to the X32, you only need to use the above procedure on Sonar's Master L & R Bus.

4. Push the Routing button on the X32 and go to the Home tab. If you want all the Sonar channels to go to the respective X32 channels, select Card 1-8 for Inputs 1-8, Card 9-16 for Inputs 9-16, etc. If you are just returning Sonar's Master Bus, maybe route it to a pair of Aux 1-4 inputs.

That should be all there is to it. If anyone see's that I left something out, please feel free to correct me.

As far as using the X32 for controlling Sonar faders, etc. goes, there is a communication problem specific to Sonar & the X32 so it's not working at the moment. I think someone's working on a fix, however.

-Jim
 
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Hello,
I just picked up my 2nd X32 and have been loving it, but need a question answered. . I have my first 4 mixbusses setup to be Pre-fader monitor mixes and they work fine and the mixbusses meter audio and everything BUT the faders / mutes don't seam to effect anything like you would think a "bus master" control would. . Its probably something small, but I can't seam to figure it out. . Again, the output of the mix busses work just fine, but the fader doesn't seam to bring the level down, and the mute doesn't seam to effect anything either. . Thanks in advance and if you could email me a copy of your answer, I would greatly appreciate it! My email address is [email protected]
 
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Michael Moore said:
Hello,
I just picked up my 2nd X32 and have been loving it, but need a question answered. . I have my first 4 mixbusses setup to be Pre-fader monitor mixes and they work fine and the mixbusses meter audio and everything BUT the faders / mutes don't seam to effect anything like you would think a "bus master" control would. . Its probably something small, but I can't seam to figure it out. . Again, the output of the mix busses work just fine, but the fader doesn't seam to bring the level down, and the mute doesn't seam to effect anything either. . Thanks in advance and if you could email me a copy of your answer, I would greatly appreciate it! My email address is [email protected]
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Hi Michael,
It sounds like you may have a per fader tap for your analog outs. You can check this by going to the analog out page of the ROUTING menu. Select the outputs for those mix busses ( by default 1-4 ) and make sure the tap points are set to post fader. This will only affect your analog output, the sends to that bus will remain per fader as you set them. Hopefully this is it, let me know if I can help further.

Best,
John DiNicola
Senior Specialist, Product Support
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
 
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Bob Harvey said:
That was corrected in a firmware update a while back. You may not have received the memo.

You can now have a separate FX level for the monitors (Aux outs).

Update the SL's firmware ... there are other goodies as well.
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Hey Bob,

So I'm still searching for exactly how this is done. From a couple YouTube videos I've watched, they clearly state that the blend
of FX is controlled both in the monitors and mains with that single control. On the 24.4 you can at least have a different level control for
sending FX to the monitors, but I still don't see a way of controlling just the mains FX blend without using subgroup. Could you please
enlighten me as to how this is done? Thanks so much.

Chris

P.S- I don't actually own an SL board. I just have my experience selling them at my store and doing a few off-site training sessions,
on the 16.2 mostly.
 
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Liam Donaldson said:
Good to know Jim. Thanks.

Ableton Live is doing the same thing with the numbers.

Can you remind me how to playback audio to the X32?

I've changed something but reset the X32 earlier. Now I can see (faders moving in the DAW but not on the X32) and record audio to the DAW but no sound is coming back through the X32.
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Hi Liam, sorry I only got on to the wen now, but I see Jim pitched in and answered your questions.
I can confirm that mine also shows only every odd number, that is correct. It did that with my M-Audio 1010 also.

As for the routing, what Jim said is pretty much what I have too.

Thanx
Andre
 
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I have to consider this one a bug.

When using the card as input from i.e. iPad, computer or like and the gain structure is unity gain I have issues with the clip lights.

Most modern commercial music is peaking 0dBFS. As such the clip light will come on at the affected channels most of the times.

One would think that lowering the trim to -0.3dB (or even -12dB!) would help. However the clip light seems to operate pre-trim so the clip light will come on regardless of the trim setting.

My concern is also that the clip light should never turn on for a digital signal unless the trim is set above 0dB.

Also, if I take a stereo signal that peaks 0dB and send this to the mono channel I would not expect m/c to show clipping when I set the stereo-->m/c send to -6.0dB. Instead I have to lower it to -6.5dB.

The clip lights in these situations are distracting and indicate an non-existing issue and will take the focus away from a correctly shown clip warning.


Some extras:
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When using daw or music players like iPad/iPhone using the card input, it would be nice to be able to operate the trim down to -18dB or even -24dB.

I'd like the 'delay + ha link' and 'mute + fader link' to become separated into non-combined switches.
 
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Andre Coetzee said:
Hi Liam, sorry I only got on to the wen now, but I see Jim pitched in and answered your questions.
I can confirm that mine also shows only every odd number, that is correct. It did that with my M-Audio 1010 also.

As for the routing, what Jim said is pretty much what I have too.

Thanx
Andre
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Well, I tried running SOnar X2 again and this time it showed all the X32 channels.

But it crashed after a few seconds. The Sonar audio track showed inputs but would not actually record.

I'm giving up for now.

Audio from the X32 is going into my PC (Windows 7 Pro 32 bit) Athlon Opteron 165 Dual Core 1.8 GHz.

This is about the same performance (or non-performance) as my quad core AMD PC

Most frustrating.

Live also crashes.
 
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Liam Donaldson said:
Well, I tried running SOnar X2 again and this time it showed all the X32 channels.

But it crashed after a few seconds. The Sonar audio track showed inputs but would not actually record.

I'm giving up for now.

Audio from the X32 is going into my PC (Windows 7 Pro 32 bit) Athlon Opteron 165 Dual Core 1.8 GHz.

This is about the same performance (or non-performance) as my quad core AMD PC

Most frustrating.

Live also crashes.
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Hi liam
That is frustrating although I'm thinking it could be a PC problem, I'm running Win 7(64bit) on an AMD Phenom Quad core with 8Gig Ram on an ASUS MB and it is very stable.
With my M-Audio 1010 sound card I had to play around with the buffer size in Playback and Record, but with my X32's sound card it works without tweaking the buffers ??
Is your PC connected to the X32 via USB or Firewire ? as that could also be another reason. Firewire will be better especialy with 32 channels.
Does it also crash with a lower channel count ?

Best Regards
Andre
 
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Andre Coetzee said:
Hi liam
That is frustrating although I'm thinking it could be a PC problem, I'm running Win 7(64bit) on an AMD Phenom Quad core with 8Gig Ram on an ASUS MB and it is very stable.
With my M-Audio 1010 sound card I had to play around with the buffer size in Playback and Record, but with my X32's sound card it works without tweaking the buffers ??
Is your PC connected to the X32 via USB or Firewire ? as that could also be another reason. Firewire will be better especialy with 32 channels.
Does it also crash with a lower channel count ?

Hi Andre, thanks for your help.

I've managed to get things working just fine now at last. Touch wood.

Sonar runs smoothly and I did not have to fiddle with buffers yet.

One slight problem is the relative levels - had to turn down faders to avoid hearing loss when a test drum loop suddenly came through the speakers.

I'm just runnng the X32 into a DAW PC - (Sonar X2 and Live 8..3.4) Also FLStudio Producer. The X32 is purely for connecting all my synths /guitars/ mics and so forth. I do not ever intend to take it on the road.

Thanks again to all.
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Liam Donaldson said:
Andre Coetzee said:
Hi liam
That is frustrating although I'm thinking it could be a PC problem, I'm running Win 7(64bit) on an AMD Phenom Quad core with 8Gig Ram on an ASUS MB and it is very stable.
With my M-Audio 1010 sound card I had to play around with the buffer size in Playback and Record, but with my X32's sound card it works without tweaking the buffers ??
Is your PC connected to the X32 via USB or Firewire ? as that could also be another reason. Firewire will be better especialy with 32 channels.
Does it also crash with a lower channel count ?

Hi Andre, thanks for your help.

I've managed to get things working just fine now at last. Touch wood.

Sonar runs smoothly and I did not have to fiddle with buffers yet.

One slight problem is the relative levels - had to turn down faders to avoid hearing loss when a test drum loop suddenly came through the speakers.

I'm just runnng the X32 into a DAW PC - (Sonar X2 and Live 8..3.4) Also FLStudio Producer. The X32 is purely for connecting all my synths /guitars/ mics and so forth. I do not ever intend to take it on the road.

Thanks again to all.
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Hi Liam, that's good news, glad you got it working, I just hope the behringer guys can sort out the problem with the Mackie Control problem with Sonar :-)
Just got home from a free gig we did at an old age home, with my x32, recorded 13 channels with my laptop to Reaper.... All o.k :-) Sounds great...

Cheers
Andre
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Sorry if I missed an early discussion about this.
1. Is there a way to bypass an effect while on its editing window? I would like a bypass button.
2. When I am using a tap delay button, it seems that it will stop reacting TI the taps for a period of time or if I manually change the delay time knob.
 
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Texas Live Sound said:
Why won't the DCAs show a meter level?
I know they are working as you can adjust the levels up or down but it seems a huge waste to not have metering on the DCAs...
I am sure this has been addressed on this forum already but after reading for a few days I haven't found any posts.
Please add EQ controls to the new IPad update. Great console. Havent used my Midas Verona since I picked up the X32.
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What signal would you meter? The DCA's are not mixing signals together they are only remote controlling multiple channels that may be routed to any combination of mix busses. It's like using more than one finger to operate multiple channel faders, with the channels independently routed. Other channels that are not related to that DCA can also contribute to the level on any given bus - the concept of metering a DCA is really meaningless.
 
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With so many outputs available, I wondered about removing my 3 way crossover from the rack and then using some graphics at the mixer end to give me control from FOH, so depending on the music style I could change what each speaker section is being fed with? Daft idea or not?
 
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