X32 Discussion

Using an external device on a channel insert

I only have Xcontrol, so I'm having a problem seeing how to patch an external analog device to a channel insert. I can't see how to attach the Aux in and Aux out TRS ports to the insert point. I'd appreciate some guidance.

Also, I would like to see a post-fader position for the insert point. There is only one scenario that I know of where this is useful, ie using a Dugan Automixer, but it's almost essential for that situation.

The Dugan does have an ADAT port. How would one go about using that to connect it to the X32?

Thanks,

Mick Berg.
 
Only DCA Labels recalled from saved Scene, even though I thought I saved 'everything'

I saved a scene for a show, initialized the X32 via the Home->Setup->Initialize Console and when I loaded a saved scene (saved on console, xControl, and hard drive), the only thing recalled was the DCA Labels and Colors. All the routing, labels, EQ, FX, everything, remained in the default initialized state.

I saved the scenes both in XControl (Xcontrol and 'to file') and on the console. All of the Scene Safe boxes were checked (Orange) in XControl and the console when I saved the scenes.

I have a lot of work to redo.

Can anybody tell me where I went wrong in saving and recalling the scenes?

Thanks,
Mitchell
 
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Re: Only DCA Labels recalled from saved Scene, even though I thought I saved 'everyth

Please remember the difference of the words safe & save. All checkboxes must unchecked (not safe, gray) than you can save all Parameters.

walter
 
Re: Only DCA Labels recalled from saved Scene, even though I thought I saved 'everyth

Xicontrol was working fine last week. Just setup again in the studio and it won't stay connected. Anyone else having a problem?
 
Re: X32 Discussion

Per Søvik said:
The S16 and any x-overs and feedback killers goes in the amprack.
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We've got a permanent install with the Amps in a remote location upstairs - thankfully closer to the speakers so the amp <--> speaker connections are the short ones vs. amp <--> console. But let's say I want to go full digital - could I park a third S16 up in the Amp room and just use the three or four outputs we have now via that S16?

Are outputs routed in blocks of 8 too? Hmm - need to look at the manual. Too bad I missed the routing webinar last week!

PS: Since most of us have a rack fetish and feel naked and vulnerable at FOH without the racks
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:lol: Need a rack of old school VU meters... that would look impressive. Especially if running off of an old iPod stashed in the rack with a random playlist of music of a different genre instead of the live sound 8O~8-O~:shock:
 
Re: X32 Discussion

Mike Johnson said:
If connecting directly to the console and PC with a single CAT5 cable, do we need to assign a subnet mask or gateway?
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Subnet mask - always. Gateway or DNS - no, if both devices are on the same subnet and your using IP addresses.

Remember, a subnet mask is just that - a mask that shows the network stack in the computer or device which part of the IP address is the network portion, and which portion of the IP address is the host ID.

If you feed a system 192.168.0.5 without a subnet mask, what does that mean exactly? However, as soon as you set the subnet mask to 255.255.255.0 (or /24 in CIDR notation) 192.168.0. is instantly delineated as the network portion of the address and the .5 portion of the address is the host (the one is masked out from the other). If you set the console to 192.168.0.5 and the computer to 192.168.0.10 and both have a SNM of 255.255.255.0 then both devices know they don't need to look for the gateway since they are both on the same network.

Again, I think it would be great if B offered MAC configuration option similar to what Microtek does for their routers - no network information at all is required, just a physical connection of each device to the same network broadcast domain (one switch, multiple switches - just no router in the mix). XControl shows the MAC addresses of X32's it "see's" on the network. They could clean it up to pick up the name of the console and show that too - but I would be surprised if folks had more than 2 X32's on a network in any significant numbers - heck, most will probably be by themselves and thus even more self evident of whom is who.
 
Re: Problems with XControl

Mick Berg said:
I wish there was a way to make scenes read-only
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attrib +R 8)~8-)~:cool:

I want to make some starting-point scenes.
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Then do it. And back 'em up to an archive somewhere. If someone overwrites 'em, you pull a clean copy from your backup/archive.

Even if you could read-only it in the console, you really should have multiple copies backed up. Just like any other digital files - multiple copies are your friend!

And if your one of these theater guys with large, complex, complicated and numerous scene files, some sort of version control system would probably be HUGELY beneficial. If you have any beer swilling *nix programmer friends, ask them to set you up a repository along the lines of subversion - and how to use it :) Once you get the hang of it, they are handy for much more than just programming. But they are definitely very geeky to get going and used to initially.
 
Re: Problems with XControl

Hi X-Heads,

just a small gig update. Did a halloween gig yesterday with two bands alternating playing three sets each (45 minutes per set). So we set up two desks one A&H iLive T112 and of course my X32.



We splitted the vocal mikes with a mic-splitter on both desks and soundwise the X32 has no problems to keep up with the iLive soundwise. Although I must admit the iLive is a nice desk too. Some minor downsides I noticed during the gig.
The iLive has no build in USB recorder or FiWi/USB recording card. So you have to buy an expensive MADI or DANTE card, which can run more channels than the XUF card...but they will cost you some serious extra money.



In addition, the mixengine of the iLive is in the stagerack, so the desk needs way more time to boot. Even some very basic operations will take some minutes for the mixengine to go online. F.e. the iLive owner wanted to set the build in watch for returning to standard time. It took the IDR a few minutes to handle this, during the reconfiguration the desk is not operative. Strange thing for a X32 user. Anyway, the iLive has some advantages like full encoder set for the channel EQ and a GEQ with RTA (very nice for ringing out monitors).



I had a new pa rig with me, where I'm currently writing a review about. Got four of these tops-->

http://www.kme-sound.de/cgi-bin/kme.shop/5092a02200c233c0273f4debae3706b4/Product/View/1&2D114&2D005

and six of these subs-->

QLB 215 <b>NEW</b> K.M.E. Klingenthaler Musikelektronik GmbH

I did a couple of shows with different pa systems brands in this (in terms of room acoustics) difficult venue over the last years, but this set up was the best by far! Very nice system!!

The venue has a strange groundplane, so you have to notch out some serious room modes. No deal for the X32 and the KME system:-)





Now I have to pack my gear for the next show tomorrow. X32 and same pa system - I'm looking forward:-)

BTW: Next week my X32 is going to England! A mixing mate of mine is doing a club tour with a German band called "We butter the bread with Butter".
There are quite know in the German metalcore scene.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tUWe4XUSDUU

Their soundguy Andi will max out the X32 to the limit. I'm courious, what he will be able to tell.
He mixed and mastered also one of their albums, included the epic track "Oh Mama mach Kartoffelsalat". Translation: "Oh mum - make some potato salad" :-)
Obviously the X32 fits even for more exotic kind of music8)~8-)~:cool:

Christian
 
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Bug with xcontrol remote

At the moment I have only access to one computer so I can't verify this on other computers yet.

When I use xcontrol to save a scene onto the x32 console, the network connection to the x32 will drop and the scene won't save.

If I save it to the xcontrol everything is working ok.

When I use xcontrol to load a scene from the console then I can't see (and operate) the confirmation popup.

This is not a problem when using scenes selected from the xcontrol.
 
Re: Using an external device on a channel insert

Mick Berg said:
The Dugan does have an ADAT port. How would one go about using that to connect it to the X32?
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With difficulty is the official answer at the moment. ADAT output is available on the S16 but there is no current method for digital input beyond AES50 and the USB/FireWire.

Connecting a $3000+ eight channel auto mixer to a sub $3000 isn't something many people will want to do.

In the future there will be more processing options with AES50 (e.g. Waves), USB/FiWi (software effects running on PC etc.) and more features in the x32 software.

Since the x32 has DCAs it's possible that Behringer could create a special DCA "channel" that implements an auto mixer. This would be the neatest and cheapest option or users. If you want it then suggest it to Behringer.

The next neatest option is a Dugan card for the x32 (like the Yamaha one) but I expect the price might put people off - you could suggest this to Dugan. Having just had a look at he photo of the Dugan/ Yamaha board I can confirm the x32 would have more than enough processing power.

Behringer may well announce some new products like an all digital version of the s16 (AES50-ADAT) but I wouldn't hold my breath. It's more likely behringer will focus heir efforts on progress in features than spend time to enable the use of legacy products/interfaces from other manufacturers. Just my opinion - I have no knowledge of Behringer's plans.

Al
 
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Or just use an ADA8000 or similar to do A-D and D-A duties for the Dugan. Not a neat solution at all but it will allow you to get by.
 
Re: Bug with xcontrol remote

Robert Lofgren said:
At the moment I have only access to one computer so I can't verify this on other computers yet.

When I use xcontrol to save a scene onto the x32 console, the network connection to the x32 will drop and the scene won't save.

If I save it to the xcontrol everything is working ok.

When I use xcontrol to load a scene from the console then I can't see (and operate) the confirmation popup.

This is not a problem when using scenes selected from the xcontrol.
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This might be a silly question, I'll take a laptop down to the workshop and try it out in a little while, but are you trying to save to the stick on the console or save a scene directly from the Xcontrol to a scene slot on the X32, or are you trying to save a scene that is already loaded and active on the X32?
 
Re: Using an external device on a channel insert

Mick Berg said:
I only have Xcontrol, so I'm having a problem seeing how to patch an external analog device to a channel insert. I can't see how to attach the Aux in and Aux out TRS ports to the insert point. I'd appreciate some guidance.

Also, I would like to see a post-fader position for the insert point. There is only one scenario that I know of where this is useful, ie using a Dugan Automixer, but it's almost essential for that situation.

The Dugan does have an ADAT port. How would one go about using that to connect it to the X32?

Thanks,

Mick Berg.
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Aux trs inserts are relatively simple, if you select an aux as insert on a channel and plug something into that aux, you have your insert, aux out to processor input and processor output to aux in, nothing to it, but there will be some latency because of all the daaddaad (da-trs-ad-processor-da-trs-ad) going on with such an insert. You won't be able to use your traditional trs to double ts insert lead, instead use two ts or trs leads.
 
Re: Bug with xcontrol remote

Per Søvik said:
This might be a silly question, I'll take a laptop down to the workshop and try it out in a little while, but are you trying to save to the stick on the console or save a scene directly from the Xcontrol to a scene slot on the X32, or are you trying to save a scene that is already loaded and active on the X32?
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I've tried to save the current 'snapshot' of the mixer scene into the console slot (you can chose from console or xcontrol in the xcontrol scene).

This has been both from an initialized console and recall and/or replace of an already saved scene.
 
Re: Using an external device on a channel insert

Alan Geering said:
Connecting a $3000+ eight channel auto mixer to a sub $3000 isn't something many people will want to do.
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What the equipment costs is not the deciding factor. I often use the $3000 E1 (rented of course) with a Yamaha MG32 (less than $1000) because that is what is in the venue.

Since the x32 has DCAs it's possible that Behringer could create a special DCA "channel" that implements an auto mixer. This would be the neatest and cheapest option or users. If you want it then suggest it to Behringer.

The next neatest option is a Dugan card for the x32 (like the Yamaha one) but I expect the price might put people off - you could suggest this to Dugan. Having just had a look at he photo of the Dugan/ Yamaha board I can confirm the x32 would have more than enough processing power.

Behringer may well announce some new products like an all digital version of the s16 (AES50-ADAT) but I wouldn't hold my breath. It's more likely behringer will focus heir efforts on progress in features than spend time to enable the use of legacy products/interfaces from other manufacturers. Just my opinion - I have no knowledge of Behringer's plans.

Al
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I wonder if the time will ever come when the X32 is accepted into the corporate world enough to justify a Dugan card for it. I think it will be way in the future.

Thanks,
Mick Berg.
 
Re: Bug with xcontrol remote

Robert Lofgren said:
I've tried to save the current 'snapshot' of the mixer scene into the console slot (you can chose from console or xcontrol in the xcontrol scene).

This has been both from an initialized console and recall and/or replace of an already saved scene.
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I tried this and it worked fine.
I forgot to try to export while in console view or do anything else that I thought might not work, but the basic scene saving worked fine.
 
Re: Bug with xcontrol remote

Per Søvik said:
I tried this and it worked fine.
I forgot to try to export while in console view or do anything else that I thought might not work, but the basic scene saving worked fine.
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Tnx for testing. I'll try with another computer tomorrow.

If this should work then I'd be baffled about what can trigg something like this. It is that one and only procedure that disconnects my x32 from xcontrol...
 
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