X32 Discussion
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Re: X32 sounds harsh?
Read it a while back, and while it is one of the closer tests to an A/B, it is still far off being accurate - too many areas could have possible changes present that turn an accurate observation into a personal biased observation.
My point is a lot of these people saying that the X32 (or any equipment) is harsh etc, aren't doing the test in the same controlled environment, with the same sound-source, cabling, and with accurate test measurement recording the same information the 'user' claims to observe.
I'll happily listen to anyone testing with the same source, cables, PA etc, in the same room, at the same temp/pressure/humidity, and with a reference mic sending data to an RTA that backs up the comment, all done on the same day (within an hour). Without that, and especially when you have a different live band on a different day, it is really just a hand-waving personal thoughts. You might be right, but you probably aren't.
Read it a while back, and while it is one of the closer tests to an A/B, it is still far off being accurate - too many areas could have possible changes present that turn an accurate observation into a personal biased observation.
My point is a lot of these people saying that the X32 (or any equipment) is harsh etc, aren't doing the test in the same controlled environment, with the same sound-source, cabling, and with accurate test measurement recording the same information the 'user' claims to observe.
I'll happily listen to anyone testing with the same source, cables, PA etc, in the same room, at the same temp/pressure/humidity, and with a reference mic sending data to an RTA that backs up the comment, all done on the same day (within an hour). Without that, and especially when you have a different live band on a different day, it is really just a hand-waving personal thoughts. You might be right, but you probably aren't.
Re: X32 Discussion
Now I've lost a bet. My friend said it is a dino and I thought it is a grasshopper :lol:
It was a tiny plastic dinosaur I found at the venue/boat. So I put it on the desk and called it my "Monitor Monitor-Lizard"
I have been busy, and I'm not getting much sleep, so the silliness tends to increase
Now I've lost a bet. My friend said it is a dino and I thought it is a grasshopper :lol:
Re: S16's ( dummies guide!)
I had a similar ( though Maybe not the same problem) - mine was caused by a defective CAT cable .
If some one already replied and sorted - apologise - just going through the forum from when I last looked ( the pages grow so quickly)
However
- one thing to check is that you have all your routing on the X32 set correctly.
- re the two S16's are they both synced together - i.e
on the first the sync light on and not flashing.
The link led should also on.
On the second S16 the sync light should also be on and not flashing.
If you have the S16's locked this light should also be on.
I have the X32 set as the master clock (i.e."Local") - therefore the master sync/clock lights mode on both the S16's should be off.
If you have the first S16 set as the master - then the second S16 should be set as slave and the X32 should be set as receiving its clock signal from AES50-A
Nick
I had a similar ( though Maybe not the same problem) - mine was caused by a defective CAT cable .
If some one already replied and sorted - apologise - just going through the forum from when I last looked ( the pages grow so quickly)
However
- one thing to check is that you have all your routing on the X32 set correctly.
- re the two S16's are they both synced together - i.e
on the first the sync light on and not flashing.
The link led should also on.
On the second S16 the sync light should also be on and not flashing.
If you have the S16's locked this light should also be on.
I have the X32 set as the master clock (i.e."Local") - therefore the master sync/clock lights mode on both the S16's should be off.
If you have the first S16 set as the master - then the second S16 should be set as slave and the X32 should be set as receiving its clock signal from AES50-A
Nick
Re: S16 input levels
I use a TRS to xlr adapter, so that when I plug in a guitar lead TS, the negative input gets grounded and everything is fine.
Even when I put trs leads into keyboards and drums, and thus have an open negative input, it's ok. When you have transformer balanced inputs, you need to get it right, but on newer transformerless stuff it is hardly ever a problem
Can't speak for the S16 (yet), but as it should be identical to the X32 inputs, there is no problem.
I use a TRS to xlr adapter, so that when I plug in a guitar lead TS, the negative input gets grounded and everything is fine.
Even when I put trs leads into keyboards and drums, and thus have an open negative input, it's ok. When you have transformer balanced inputs, you need to get it right, but on newer transformerless stuff it is hardly ever a problem
Re: Vertical pairing
Isn't too bad for aux fed subs, you only work with a couple of channels anyway. I just feel it's an annoying omission :?~:-?~:???:
Isn't too bad for aux fed subs, you only work with a couple of channels anyway. I just feel it's an annoying omission :?~:-?~:???:
Re: Firmware v1.10 Release Notes
Hi Hpyt,
maybe you have to dig deep into this monster thread, but I wrote quite a lot about the pitfalls with FiWi on a PC/windows.
I can set my windows computer down to 48 samples when working with the X32 without a glitch, but they are "pimped" to max for audio performance.
Some basic tipps:
Run dpc latency checker and see, if your computer is good for realtime audio-->
DPC Latency Checker
If you got bad results and if you are on Windows7, than run latency mon-->
Resplendence Software - LatencyMon: suitability checker for real-time audio and other tasks
This will tell you, what causes the problem
In addition, you have to tweak your windows for better performance.
I can recommend these tweaking tipps here-->
SAC - Tweaking Windows
If you use a laptop, please be aware, that there a laptops out there, that will never perfom good for realtime audio. Sad but true.
In addition: You need a firewire port/card with a Texas Instrument (T.I.) chipset or one of the newer Via chipsets. If your device manager tells you: Micron or O² chipset - you're screwed most of the time.
To much hassle?
Buy a Mac Book Pro! These will perfrom with 64 Samples out of the box.
Keep my fingers crossed!
Christian
Hi Hpyt,
maybe you have to dig deep into this monster thread, but I wrote quite a lot about the pitfalls with FiWi on a PC/windows.
I can set my windows computer down to 48 samples when working with the X32 without a glitch, but they are "pimped" to max for audio performance.
Some basic tipps:
Run dpc latency checker and see, if your computer is good for realtime audio-->
DPC Latency Checker
If you got bad results and if you are on Windows7, than run latency mon-->
Resplendence Software - LatencyMon: suitability checker for real-time audio and other tasks
This will tell you, what causes the problem
In addition, you have to tweak your windows for better performance.
I can recommend these tweaking tipps here-->
SAC - Tweaking Windows
If you use a laptop, please be aware, that there a laptops out there, that will never perfom good for realtime audio. Sad but true.
In addition: You need a firewire port/card with a Texas Instrument (T.I.) chipset or one of the newer Via chipsets. If your device manager tells you: Micron or O² chipset - you're screwed most of the time.
To much hassle?
Buy a Mac Book Pro! These will perfrom with 64 Samples out of the box.
Keep my fingers crossed!
Christian
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Re: S16 input levels
I use a set of cables for direct line input from keyboards or active acoustic-guitars etc.
I use a set of cables for direct line input from keyboards or active acoustic-guitars etc.
Re: X32 Discussion
Hey, Walter's friend, it is totally a grasshopper, now pay up!
Hey, Walter's friend, it is totally a grasshopper, now pay up!
Re: X32 sounds harsh?
I just did my first live show with the X32 and I have to say that I was surprised at the sound. I did not notice "harsh and thin" at all. I can't wait to do a show in a decent sounding venue. Now back to the studio for more recording where it will live for another 6 weeks while I work on the live recording.
I just did my first live show with the X32 and I have to say that I was surprised at the sound. I did not notice "harsh and thin" at all. I can't wait to do a show in a decent sounding venue. Now back to the studio for more recording where it will live for another 6 weeks while I work on the live recording.
Re: X32 sounds harsh?
Yip, I've done a few live shows and it's been very happy days in my studio also, I can too say that it doesn't sound "harsh and thin" in fact my previous Yamaha desk did sound crappy compared to the X32
Andre
Yip, I've done a few live shows and it's been very happy days in my studio also, I can too say that it doesn't sound "harsh and thin" in fact my previous Yamaha desk did sound crappy compared to the X32
Andre
Re: S16 input levels
Yes it is fine - did a full band "live" recording yesterday - 24 tracks (BTW to reaper and all seemed to work smoothly) - this was with two S16s ( and a cheapo 35m cat cable) and two of the keyboards were line level in..........However - I noticed on one of the webinairs the Behringer guys said that although this was OK they usually stuck a DI box in. In fact yesterday I did DI one of the keys and also the line out from the Keys amp - certainly seemed to be a little more control over the gain levels with the Di in place - Haven't listened to the recordings again yet to really see if makes any real difference.
Yes it is fine - did a full band "live" recording yesterday - 24 tracks (BTW to reaper and all seemed to work smoothly) - this was with two S16s ( and a cheapo 35m cat cable) and two of the keyboards were line level in..........However - I noticed on one of the webinairs the Behringer guys said that although this was OK they usually stuck a DI box in. In fact yesterday I did DI one of the keys and also the line out from the Keys amp - certainly seemed to be a little more control over the gain levels with the Di in place - Haven't listened to the recordings again yet to really see if makes any real difference.
Re: S16 input levels
Don't know where these "thin, harsh sound" judgements come from, personally the X32 is the best sounding mixer in it's price range - period!
Here are two recordings&mixes, that I have done with the X32. I won't earn a grammy for it, but I think they are far from "thin" in any way.
Heavenward - System Is Going Down - YouTube
Line 418 - Gisele Gay Hartman - YouTube
Don't know where these "thin, harsh sound" judgements come from, personally the X32 is the best sounding mixer in it's price range - period!
Here are two recordings&mixes, that I have done with the X32. I won't earn a grammy for it, but I think they are far from "thin" in any way.
Heavenward - System Is Going Down - YouTube
Line 418 - Gisele Gay Hartman - YouTube
Re: X32 sounds harsh?
Amen.
I started off with a Yammy MG32/14FX and went digital with the 01v96VCM.
The MG sounded cheap and the 01v96 sounded harsh and digital.
Even the LS9s installed at white glove gigs sounded harsh to my ears. I figured 'that's what digital is all about'.
I'd even used a DM2000 and a M7CL, once each, and they left me thinking 'meh...'.
I'm doing exactly the same stuff I did with the Yamaha desks (tribute band) through the same PA (mostly) and the results I'm getting with my X32 are very different (in a positive way).
Everything is so much clearer compared to my previous desks. There's more definition to the bass sounds as well.
For a comparable price to the 01v96, the X32 brings so much more to the table; the quality of its pre-amps being one of many things.
The thing is, the 01v96 is a good desk, but it has limitations that at the time, I was prepared to put up with.
The sound of its pre-amps was one.
Not any more though...
Karl.
P.S. as for using the XLRs for line level, I'd recommend using a DI box every time, rather than a jack to XLR cable or adapter. You never know when someone will switch phantom power on for that channel. Accidents happen. A £50 DI box is cheap compared to the repair or replacement cost of a £2000 keyboard...
Yip, I've done a few live shows and it's been very happy days in my studio also, I can too say that it doesn't sound "harsh and thin" in fact my previous Yamaha desk did sound crappy compared to the X32
Andre
Amen.
I started off with a Yammy MG32/14FX and went digital with the 01v96VCM.
The MG sounded cheap and the 01v96 sounded harsh and digital.
Even the LS9s installed at white glove gigs sounded harsh to my ears. I figured 'that's what digital is all about'.
I'd even used a DM2000 and a M7CL, once each, and they left me thinking 'meh...'.
I'm doing exactly the same stuff I did with the Yamaha desks (tribute band) through the same PA (mostly) and the results I'm getting with my X32 are very different (in a positive way).
Everything is so much clearer compared to my previous desks. There's more definition to the bass sounds as well.
For a comparable price to the 01v96, the X32 brings so much more to the table; the quality of its pre-amps being one of many things.
The thing is, the 01v96 is a good desk, but it has limitations that at the time, I was prepared to put up with.
The sound of its pre-amps was one.
Not any more though...
Karl.
P.S. as for using the XLRs for line level, I'd recommend using a DI box every time, rather than a jack to XLR cable or adapter. You never know when someone will switch phantom power on for that channel. Accidents happen. A £50 DI box is cheap compared to the repair or replacement cost of a £2000 keyboard...
Re: X32 sounds harsh?
Also my experience... I've owned a 01V96 and a DM1000... And the X32 is way smoother than the "metallic" sound of the Yammies preamps.
Yip, I've done a few live shows and it's been very happy days in my studio also, I can too say that it doesn't sound "harsh and thin" in fact my previous Yamaha desk did sound crappy compared to the X32
Andre
Also my experience... I've owned a 01V96 and a DM1000... And the X32 is way smoother than the "metallic" sound of the Yammies preamps.
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Re: X32 sounds harsh?
Agreed !! I started off with a Behringer Mx-24:4:2 (remember those) It was quite fine at the time and then I got the Yamaha digital desk but that's just where I made the mistake. I got my X-32 3 months after The X-32 does sound a lot more fuller and with all the extras inside it's an amazing console live & in the studio.
Andre
Agreed !! I started off with a Behringer Mx-24:4:2 (remember those) It was quite fine at the time and then I got the Yamaha digital desk but that's just where I made the mistake. I got my X-32 3 months after
The X-32 does sound a lot more fuller and with all the extras inside it's an amazing console live & in the studio.Andre
Re: X32 card MIDI
Hi Forrest,
You should have no problem using Card MIDI through the USB port. I have successfully used it with both USB and Firewire.
Best,
John DiNicola
Senior Specialist, Product Support
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
Hi Forrest,
You should have no problem using Card MIDI through the USB port. I have successfully used it with both USB and Firewire.
Best,
John DiNicola
Senior Specialist, Product Support
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
Re: X32 card MIDI
hmm....interesting. I can not get it working for the life of me. I am trying to get to get Reaper to recognize it, but it is not showing up as a MIDI device. I am running the latest version of Reaper on a macbook. I was able to get my Akai APC40 connected to Reaper so I know MIDI is working with Reaper, its just my X32 is not showing up as a device.
hmm....interesting. I can not get it working for the life of me. I am trying to get to get Reaper to recognize it, but it is not showing up as a MIDI device. I am running the latest version of Reaper on a macbook. I was able to get my Akai APC40 connected to Reaper so I know MIDI is working with Reaper, its just my X32 is not showing up as a device.