Re: USB Playback/Recording
Console and wave file must be set to the same sample rate
Console and wave file must be set to the same sample rate
X32 Discussion
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Re: X16 (dreamers version)
I think you are confusing pro grade with the goal of the X32 - more along the lines of an appliance. I think expecting schematics for a < $3000 digital console that is modular in nature and obviously extremely integrated makes about as much sense as wanting schematics for your laptop or cell phone. Your frustration isn't from a failing of the X32 or Behringer but in your having an unrealistic expectation given market the X32 is aimed at. It would be far more cost effective to just have a second console on hand, or perhaps in the future Behringer can have a certified technician program where you can be certified to crack the case without voiding the warranty and have spare parts on hand to swap - PC manufacturers like Dell have such programs where their larger customers can have spare parts on hand. But again, for an under $3K console that seems a bit over the top.
I think you are confusing pro grade with the goal of the X32 - more along the lines of an appliance. I think expecting schematics for a < $3000 digital console that is modular in nature and obviously extremely integrated makes about as much sense as wanting schematics for your laptop or cell phone. Your frustration isn't from a failing of the X32 or Behringer but in your having an unrealistic expectation given market the X32 is aimed at. It would be far more cost effective to just have a second console on hand, or perhaps in the future Behringer can have a certified technician program where you can be certified to crack the case without voiding the warranty and have spare parts on hand to swap - PC manufacturers like Dell have such programs where their larger customers can have spare parts on hand. But again, for an under $3K console that seems a bit over the top.
Re: X16 (dreamers version)
So I took out my console on her 26th gig and she crashed. I pushed a sharpie under the desk and when I moved the board ever so slightly it completely went bonkers.
See video.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10200202850812947
and this one too
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10200202835492564
The comps and gates go full on and the audio can not be brought back unless you power down and restart.
NOW WHAT?
Mike D
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10200202835492564
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10200202850812947
So I took out my console on her 26th gig and she crashed. I pushed a sharpie under the desk and when I moved the board ever so slightly it completely went bonkers.
See video.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10200202850812947
and this one too
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10200202835492564
The comps and gates go full on and the audio can not be brought back unless you power down and restart.
NOW WHAT?
Mike D
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10200202835492564
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10200202850812947
Re: X16 (dreamers version)
Mr. Diack is a repair technician. People bring him broke stuff and expect that he can fix it.
I consider a $90 SM-57 to be disposable, but a $3000 *anything*? Not so much.
Mr. Diack is a repair technician. People bring him broke stuff and expect that he can fix it.
I consider a $90 SM-57 to be disposable, but a $3000 *anything*? Not so much.
First gig with S16 and XiControl - new ideas for XiControl
Hello
Just got home from my first gig with S16 and XiControl w iPad.
For S16 i can say - setup is a breeze - after gig cable collecting is a breeze - and when alone at gig, being able to switch phantom on channels on/off while on stage is great. 8)~
~ I got S16 with 4-ch power-amp in one rack. For second S16 I need to do some thinking - similar or perhaps 8 ampchannels...
And just to think - if you get one S16 and three different lenght CAT-cables ( 15m + 40m + 100m ) - how much would same set of three traditional copper snake cost 8O~8-O~:shock: - shortest for small stuff - medium for clubs etc - long for outdoor
iPad-control
Setting up monitors without having to run back and forth between stage and booth is a real improvement. More time and energy for finetuning 8)~~
The place has a booth for mixer way back with large holes / windows - ceiling is low - so in the booth everything sounds way different than in the middle of the crowd. I simply left mixer alone most of the time and got inside crowd to do my job.
Like said earlier - audience paid more than regular attention to my job - and some ladies were smiling perhaps meaningfully friendly :roll:
Now the setup of everything in groups of 8 instead of sideways gliding banks of faders is a bit problematic. I have this old setup in X32, where 4 vocalmics are in channels 8-11 - pagejumping follows - in the future I must rearrange inputs to suit XiControl, which is necessarily NOT the best input order at X32 - after all I am used to channels relating to positions on stage : Drms - bass - backline L-R - Vocals L-R. So I still wish Behringer propellerheads would introduce a combination of both worlds : keep the blocks of 8 as "basestations", but allow gliding sideways from one to next.
I also got idea of having more things on display at the same time. What if ??? If we turn iPad upright and the mixer would rotate like many apps do and so become half the size filling the lower half of iPad screen - on the upper half could be perhaps user-selectable stuff - individual channel settings - effect/dynamics-settings etc.
As conclusion - this whole concept around X32 seems marvellously great - despite of slight dissappointment around the first X16 information, I am really waiting for next years releases.
~:-D~:grin:
Hello
Just got home from my first gig with S16 and XiControl w iPad.
For S16 i can say - setup is a breeze - after gig cable collecting is a breeze - and when alone at gig, being able to switch phantom on channels on/off while on stage is great. 8)~
~ I got S16 with 4-ch power-amp in one rack. For second S16 I need to do some thinking - similar or perhaps 8 ampchannels...And just to think - if you get one S16 and three different lenght CAT-cables ( 15m + 40m + 100m ) - how much would same set of three traditional copper snake cost 8O~8-O~:shock: - shortest for small stuff - medium for clubs etc - long for outdoor
iPad-control
Setting up monitors without having to run back and forth between stage and booth is a real improvement. More time and energy for finetuning 8)~
~The place has a booth for mixer way back with large holes / windows - ceiling is low - so in the booth everything sounds way different than in the middle of the crowd. I simply left mixer alone most of the time and got inside crowd to do my job.
Like said earlier - audience paid more than regular attention to my job - and some ladies were smiling perhaps meaningfully friendly :roll:
Now the setup of everything in groups of 8 instead of sideways gliding banks of faders is a bit problematic. I have this old setup in X32, where 4 vocalmics are in channels 8-11 - pagejumping follows - in the future I must rearrange inputs to suit XiControl, which is necessarily NOT the best input order at X32 - after all I am used to channels relating to positions on stage : Drms - bass - backline L-R - Vocals L-R. So I still wish Behringer propellerheads would introduce a combination of both worlds : keep the blocks of 8 as "basestations", but allow gliding sideways from one to next.
I also got idea of having more things on display at the same time. What if ??? If we turn iPad upright and the mixer would rotate like many apps do and so become half the size filling the lower half of iPad screen - on the upper half could be perhaps user-selectable stuff - individual channel settings - effect/dynamics-settings etc.
As conclusion - this whole concept around X32 seems marvellously great - despite of slight dissappointment around the first X16 information, I am really waiting for next years releases.
~:-D~:grin:
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Namm 2013
Dear all,
Within only 4 months we have sold over 20,000 X32 mixing consoles and the X32 has become the most successful digital console in the industry.
In fact Europe's largest retailer Thomann has listed the X32 not only as number one selling digital console, but also as number one seller among all the 150,000 products it is carrying.
Product Comparison Digital Mixing Desks - Thomann UK Cyberstore
We love listening to you and have since added many features you requested. While we cannot accomodate all your requests immediately, we are working on some very exciting new firmware and app releases.
The X32 will remain a "living" mixing console and the exciting journey has just begun.
Today, I would like to invite you to come visit our booth at the Namm Show in Anaheim in January.
Not only will we be introducing the most exciting products in our Company history, but I also promise you that these products will be game-changing again. In fact our marketing department came up with the humble tagline "game over" for these new products, but we certainly like to leave judgement up to you.
I like to take this opportunity to thank you all for your tremendous support and continuous feedback. This is certainly the most exciting time in my 24 years since I founded the Company.
Warm regards
Uli
Dear all,
Within only 4 months we have sold over 20,000 X32 mixing consoles and the X32 has become the most successful digital console in the industry.
In fact Europe's largest retailer Thomann has listed the X32 not only as number one selling digital console, but also as number one seller among all the 150,000 products it is carrying.
Product Comparison Digital Mixing Desks - Thomann UK Cyberstore
We love listening to you and have since added many features you requested. While we cannot accomodate all your requests immediately, we are working on some very exciting new firmware and app releases.
The X32 will remain a "living" mixing console and the exciting journey has just begun.
Today, I would like to invite you to come visit our booth at the Namm Show in Anaheim in January.
Not only will we be introducing the most exciting products in our Company history, but I also promise you that these products will be game-changing again. In fact our marketing department came up with the humble tagline "game over" for these new products, but we certainly like to leave judgement up to you.
I like to take this opportunity to thank you all for your tremendous support and continuous feedback. This is certainly the most exciting time in my 24 years since I founded the Company.
Warm regards
Uli
Re: First gig with S16 and XiControl - new ideas for XiControl
While I also hope that the banks-of-eight will become banks-of-four or even lesser, your scenario has a simple workaround.
Even if you connect i.e. the drums to the physical inputs 1-12 they don't need to share the same channel strip number, even with the blocks-of-eight limitation.
If you want to have the drums on layer two at fader 19-31 then you can route that easy in the console menu. Since you can save routing setups it's a breeze to recall for common scenarios as well and it has nothing to do with scenes, unless you want it to...
Don't forget the ability to run down to the local electronics store and buy a new 100m cable to replace the one that the truck just ripped to pieces one hour before the show...
While I also hope that the banks-of-eight will become banks-of-four or even lesser, your scenario has a simple workaround.
Even if you connect i.e. the drums to the physical inputs 1-12 they don't need to share the same channel strip number, even with the blocks-of-eight limitation.
If you want to have the drums on layer two at fader 19-31 then you can route that easy in the console menu. Since you can save routing setups it's a breeze to recall for common scenarios as well and it has nothing to do with scenes, unless you want it to...
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Re: repair schematics
So few products nowadays that use custom designed electronics - especially chips - provide the old fashioned service manuals that allow component level service. The TV manufacturers stopped providing them years ago, simply because this kind of service is simply too expensive. Computers follow the same system. Of course there are a few small businesses that continue to repair equipment at board level, but apart from the very obvious faults where you can see frazzled components - much repairing has to be educated guesswork. Ordering a replacement custom chip in the hope it fixes the fault is a very expensive procedure. Add the fact that for many purchasers, they already have a 3 year warranty - means taking kit apart nowadays is just unproductive.
The price point the Behringer sits at means that for the majority of it's life it will be under a warranty of some kind. What I mean is simply that by the time the desk is 3 years old, Behringer will be selling an X64, and people will be using that. Who buys any digital desk that is three years old apart from on ebay - at very cheap prices.
We're really not talking price points that are so expensive that a long lifespan is necessary - pleasant to have, of course - but the thought of spending 20% of a product's price having it fixed out of warranty is just uneconomic in today's climate. Fixing a desk like this might take half a day to get dismantled, get access to the fault, fix it, and reassemble and test, perhaps even longer? Work the costs out and draw your own conclusion!
So few products nowadays that use custom designed electronics - especially chips - provide the old fashioned service manuals that allow component level service. The TV manufacturers stopped providing them years ago, simply because this kind of service is simply too expensive. Computers follow the same system. Of course there are a few small businesses that continue to repair equipment at board level, but apart from the very obvious faults where you can see frazzled components - much repairing has to be educated guesswork. Ordering a replacement custom chip in the hope it fixes the fault is a very expensive procedure. Add the fact that for many purchasers, they already have a 3 year warranty - means taking kit apart nowadays is just unproductive.
The price point the Behringer sits at means that for the majority of it's life it will be under a warranty of some kind. What I mean is simply that by the time the desk is 3 years old, Behringer will be selling an X64, and people will be using that. Who buys any digital desk that is three years old apart from on ebay - at very cheap prices.
We're really not talking price points that are so expensive that a long lifespan is necessary - pleasant to have, of course - but the thought of spending 20% of a product's price having it fixed out of warranty is just uneconomic in today's climate. Fixing a desk like this might take half a day to get dismantled, get access to the fault, fix it, and reassemble and test, perhaps even longer? Work the costs out and draw your own conclusion!
Re: Namm 2013
Hello Uli.
While I have your attention, (I hope!) I woiuld like to say that it is very important to me to have scene protection. I wouild like to specify an X32 for one of my venues, but without it I can't.
Congratulations on a great product!
Mick Berg.
Hello Uli.
While I have your attention, (I hope!) I woiuld like to say that it is very important to me to have scene protection. I wouild like to specify an X32 for one of my venues, but without it I can't.
Congratulations on a great product!
Mick Berg.
Re: X16 (dreamers version)
And? Markets are changing. Devices like the X32 or a $3,000 laptop are not designed for component level repair. It's swap out the broken module for a new one. This trend has been going on for years and it's going to accelerate, not go back. It's not abnormal to consider "fixing it" swapping a defective module these days.
Who said anything about the console being disposable? I'm stating the reality for today is field component level repair is out. You swap modules or send back to the manufacturer for them to do the same repair. I think the best he can hope for is some official support program from Behringer where he can stock replacement components to swap out. Hoping for schematics for component level repair is more than likely a vain hope, especially at the price point of the X32. I don't think it's reasonable to ever expect 'em. I could be wrong - Behringer is definitely evolving their support, but as I said not even large companies like Apple or Dell do component level repair. It's rarely worth the expense in labor given automation in manufacturing the individual modules in the first place. I have no skin in the game either way - I'm just pointing out given the market realities and the obvious trends over the past five years in particular, getting mad at not having schematics is just silly. Do I wish people like Mr. Diack could have them? Sure - gives me more options if I do have a problem with my console - especially when it's out of warranty. But it's just not the trend.
And? Markets are changing. Devices like the X32 or a $3,000 laptop are not designed for component level repair. It's swap out the broken module for a new one. This trend has been going on for years and it's going to accelerate, not go back. It's not abnormal to consider "fixing it" swapping a defective module these days.
Who said anything about the console being disposable? I'm stating the reality for today is field component level repair is out. You swap modules or send back to the manufacturer for them to do the same repair. I think the best he can hope for is some official support program from Behringer where he can stock replacement components to swap out. Hoping for schematics for component level repair is more than likely a vain hope, especially at the price point of the X32. I don't think it's reasonable to ever expect 'em. I could be wrong - Behringer is definitely evolving their support, but as I said not even large companies like Apple or Dell do component level repair. It's rarely worth the expense in labor given automation in manufacturing the individual modules in the first place. I have no skin in the game either way - I'm just pointing out given the market realities and the obvious trends over the past five years in particular, getting mad at not having schematics is just silly. Do I wish people like Mr. Diack could have them? Sure - gives me more options if I do have a problem with my console - especially when it's out of warranty. But it's just not the trend.
Re: X16 (dreamers version)
So do many touring bands, I'm sure that multiple nightly SM58 or Beta58 "failures" are just a part of the production budget for a band like Nine Inch Nails.
Me, I send 'em back to Shure and for about $55 each get a useable microphone.
So do many touring bands, I'm sure that multiple nightly SM58 or Beta58 "failures" are just a part of the production budget for a band like Nine Inch Nails.
Me, I send 'em back to Shure and for about $55 each get a useable microphone.
Re: USB Playback/Recording
16 and 24 bit.
Playback support .wav either 44.1 or 48khz and it will play only when the file's sample rate matches the current consul's sample rate. Trust me I've been there
16 and 24 bit.
Playback support .wav either 44.1 or 48khz and it will play only when the file's sample rate matches the current consul's sample rate. Trust me I've been there
Re: Todays Gig
I went to my case guy as I had a gig the following day and found this case that was a bit deeper than I needed. But was perfect for the addition of the Doghaus/Shelf.
I went to my case guy as I had a gig the following day and found this case that was a bit deeper than I needed. But was perfect for the addition of the Doghaus/Shelf.
Re: repair schematics
This is fine if you have the capital to keep spare desks on hand, but for many of us, we just don't have that luxury in the current economy. Even if it takes half a day, that is preferable to being down for a minimum of a week, and more likely several weeks along with shipping costs to return it to Behringer for repair.
I have been in electronics in one area or another for nearly 40 years and one thing I have learned is that it is rare that the custom components in the heart of something like a digital console are what fails. It is far more likely to be a discrete or standard component external interface circuit that will fail, making component level repair often more practical than not.
At one point in my career, I was doing component level repair on mini computer systems that not even the factory technicians would attempt. Even with my extreme labor prices, I was saving my clients thousands of dollars and day to weeks of down time.
The ability to obtain parts, even if it is at the module level, and information to be able to do field repair is very valuable for those of us with the expertise needed.
This is fine if you have the capital to keep spare desks on hand, but for many of us, we just don't have that luxury in the current economy. Even if it takes half a day, that is preferable to being down for a minimum of a week, and more likely several weeks along with shipping costs to return it to Behringer for repair.
I have been in electronics in one area or another for nearly 40 years and one thing I have learned is that it is rare that the custom components in the heart of something like a digital console are what fails. It is far more likely to be a discrete or standard component external interface circuit that will fail, making component level repair often more practical than not.
At one point in my career, I was doing component level repair on mini computer systems that not even the factory technicians would attempt. Even with my extreme labor prices, I was saving my clients thousands of dollars and day to weeks of down time.
The ability to obtain parts, even if it is at the module level, and information to be able to do field repair is very valuable for those of us with the expertise needed.
USB Recording problems
So my first real problem with the board.
A few months ago while the board was still on firmware v1.7 or something i was recording and I pushed stop and ended up pulling out the usb chip before the "access" light stopped lighting up and I ended up having a file that was 0k big with no audio. my mistake. dont know where the audio that was actually recorded went, ive seen this happen on roland field recorders and you end up with a wave file thats "unreadable" bc it wasnt closed. but still has all the info and just needs to imported as raw audio into any audio program and then converted. however it seems that the x32 doesnt act like this?
round 2: 2 weeks ago on v1.9 im in between sets (i always stop and restart the recording in between sets, so that if something happens i dont lose everything) i notice right before the 2nd set starts that the "access" light is off and i know for a fact that i restarted the recording but i didnt really pay too much attention as nothing had ahppened so i just resarted the recording. When i got home i noticed again a 0k wave file with no audio.
round 3: Tonight, recorder is on v1.11. im checking it every 10 mins or so. just looking at levels etc. i check back right before the end of the set abput 45 mins since the recording started. i see the access light is of and its not recording...i fear the worst. i get home. yup where that set should be is now a 0k file with no audio.
i dont know what is going on. But im not sure that i can trust the usb recorder anymore.
I board was deff recording to the drive so i know that audio has to be there somewhere im just hoping that the file didnt "close" properly so it shows 0k. I cant beleive that the baord just deleted the info. I going to gig around in terminal and see if i can maybe find a hidden file or something that's just not closed. but im really sure what to do.
Im using a thumb drive thats properly formatted and i use for updates and stuff with no problems.
So my first real problem with the board.
A few months ago while the board was still on firmware v1.7 or something i was recording and I pushed stop and ended up pulling out the usb chip before the "access" light stopped lighting up and I ended up having a file that was 0k big with no audio. my mistake. dont know where the audio that was actually recorded went, ive seen this happen on roland field recorders and you end up with a wave file thats "unreadable" bc it wasnt closed. but still has all the info and just needs to imported as raw audio into any audio program and then converted. however it seems that the x32 doesnt act like this?
round 2: 2 weeks ago on v1.9 im in between sets (i always stop and restart the recording in between sets, so that if something happens i dont lose everything) i notice right before the 2nd set starts that the "access" light is off and i know for a fact that i restarted the recording but i didnt really pay too much attention as nothing had ahppened so i just resarted the recording. When i got home i noticed again a 0k wave file with no audio.
round 3: Tonight, recorder is on v1.11. im checking it every 10 mins or so. just looking at levels etc. i check back right before the end of the set abput 45 mins since the recording started. i see the access light is of and its not recording...i fear the worst. i get home. yup where that set should be is now a 0k file with no audio.
i dont know what is going on. But im not sure that i can trust the usb recorder anymore.
I board was deff recording to the drive so i know that audio has to be there somewhere im just hoping that the file didnt "close" properly so it shows 0k. I cant beleive that the baord just deleted the info. I going to gig around in terminal and see if i can maybe find a hidden file or something that's just not closed. but im really sure what to do.
Im using a thumb drive thats properly formatted and i use for updates and stuff with no problems.
Onboard Crossover
Now that we have effectively crossover facilities on the matrix EQ, is there any possibility of extending this capability to the L,R and C EQs (to do aux fed subs without the additional abstraction layer of routing the outputs through a matrix)
M
Now that we have effectively crossover facilities on the matrix EQ, is there any possibility of extending this capability to the L,R and C EQs (to do aux fed subs without the additional abstraction layer of routing the outputs through a matrix)
M
Re: USB Recording problems
What type of thumb drive you use?
What is the read-write speed of your thumb drive?
I use SuperTalent Pico C 32GB and 64GB with up to 25MB read-write speed with no problems.
What type of thumb drive you use?
What is the read-write speed of your thumb drive?
I use SuperTalent Pico C 32GB and 64GB with up to 25MB read-write speed with no problems.
Re: First gig with S16 and XiControl - new ideas for XiControl
Hello
I am aware of that - I am even using it with a band where I have some 30 inputs. And the result is very logical and easy to use.
But that is not the case, when you have a small band with only 11 channels. I do´nt care if I patch the cables or do the changes in routing differently - it still ends up either with the four vocals being split over two windows, having a gap in the channel-list to get the vocals on same page, or worst of all - having everything in some weird order.
As I stated earlier - these are very minor things, and I just love this system. But since they update the system anyway with all kind of little things - some of them not being important at all for me, while others almost can not live without them - I thought to put my spoon into the soup, too and stir a bit. Just my humble thoughts.
After all - Behringer is not obligated to give us anything more on remote, than is built into desk - even all that is more than plenty - but I am sure, that they too profit more of it, when all fantastic features draw positive attention to product. After all - aren´t we all comparing the pro´s and cons of different products? Why would this be any different?
You should have seen the exitement of Crazy Cavan band guitarplayer, when he told other band members how I was adjusting monitors wit iPad ......
Of course I have no idea of how expensive it is for Behringer to implement new features, but for that they have their own professionals, who can decide, what to do - but as they say : "We hear you"
Even if all software development should stop right here - which probably is not the case - I am still seriously considering getting me second - be it X32R or some version of X16
Hello
I am aware of that - I am even using it with a band where I have some 30 inputs. And the result is very logical and easy to use.
But that is not the case, when you have a small band with only 11 channels. I do´nt care if I patch the cables or do the changes in routing differently - it still ends up either with the four vocals being split over two windows, having a gap in the channel-list to get the vocals on same page, or worst of all - having everything in some weird order.
As I stated earlier - these are very minor things, and I just love this system. But since they update the system anyway with all kind of little things - some of them not being important at all for me, while others almost can not live without them - I thought to put my spoon into the soup, too and stir a bit. Just my humble thoughts.
After all - Behringer is not obligated to give us anything more on remote, than is built into desk - even all that is more than plenty - but I am sure, that they too profit more of it, when all fantastic features draw positive attention to product. After all - aren´t we all comparing the pro´s and cons of different products? Why would this be any different?
You should have seen the exitement of Crazy Cavan band guitarplayer, when he told other band members how I was adjusting monitors wit iPad ......
Of course I have no idea of how expensive it is for Behringer to implement new features, but for that they have their own professionals, who can decide, what to do - but as they say : "We hear you"
Even if all software development should stop right here - which probably is not the case - I am still seriously considering getting me second - be it X32R or some version of X16
Faulty Level Display on PC App
Fader down to zero.
Fader up to -27 db, the left and right faders in the upper view have a lower value than the on in the lower faders (it is channel 1)
Fader up to -22 db, the upper fader display moved a bit, but the value is visible differing from the lower fader position.
Can anybody confirm that as an issue, or di I miss something?
Thx, Henry
Fader down to zero.
Fader up to -27 db, the left and right faders in the upper view have a lower value than the on in the lower faders (it is channel 1)
Fader up to -22 db, the upper fader display moved a bit, but the value is visible differing from the lower fader position.
Can anybody confirm that as an issue, or di I miss something?
Thx, Henry
