X32 Discussion

Re: X32 Feature Requests

I knew I was forgetting a terribly important feature that this desk is missing-
Please implement a "zero" point for DCA's using the meters above. Perhaps the yellow and green meeting point can be the marker to represent 0, and anything above or below could light up incrementally.

Obviously when you change to other layers they will function as normal meters.

Thanks
 
Re: X32 Feature Requests

Thank you all for your valuable feedback. Be assured that we are carefully listening and will try to implement as much as possible in the 2.0 release.

Please bear in mind that we won't be able to accommodate every request as there could be system restrictions, conflicting user preferences or simply not enough time. Even if your requested feature can't be implemented in the 2.0 release, there will always be a 3.0.

Allow me to mention that the X32 has just received the Reader's Choice Award from Pro Sound Web in the large format console category where it won against consoles up to 20 times the price of the X32!

Behringer X32 Digital Mixer - Pro Sound Web

While many of you thank me, it's actually our amazing engineers in Germany, UK, US, China and the Philippines who deserve all the recognition and appreciation. I want you to know that the teams literally work day and night to accommodate your requests and continue to improve the X32 to provide you with an even better experience. I also like to thank the people in our factory who make sure your product is built to the highest standards as they truly care.

I am extremely proud of our people.

Warm regards

Uli

P.S. I just saw that we are about to cross the 500,000 viewer mark for this thread.
 
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Re: OSC - xcontrol

Kevin Hunter said:
Yes, it replies back to what ever port your pc sent it on. So if your pc sent it on port 10024 that's where it sends it back too.

On most UDP systems the pc picks a random port as UDP as it is not designed for two way comms.


Kev
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Thanks - in a previous life a long time ago was a programmer and just tentatively looking into OSC*- as a starting point just wanted to "listen" to the OSC strings going between the Xcontrol and the X32. My understanding from the X32 OSC implementation was that the X32 only received OSC on port 10023 - therefore the xcontrol would use this to send OSC - but not use this port to receive OSC i.e. tell the X32 what port to send to.
If the PC dynamically allocates an IP port is this done per OSC message or for the complete "session".

* investigating the feasibility of using OSC with X32 and reaper - to record automation data of X32 .
 
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Re: OSC - xcontrol

Nick Davis said:
Thanks - in a previous life a long time ago was a programmer and just tentatively looking into OSC*- as a starting point just wanted to "listen" to the OSC strings going between the Xcontrol and the X32. My understanding from the X32 OSC implementation was that the X32 only received OSC on port 10023 - therefore the xcontrol would use this to send OSC - but not use this port to receive OSC i.e. tell the X32 what port to send to.
If the PC dynamically allocates an IP port is this done per OSC message or for the complete "session".

* investigating the feasibility of using OSC with X32 and reaper - to record automation data of X32 .
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Check out the index.htm site where we discuss osc in more detail, and you will find an osc tester application.

kev
 
Re: Cubase and Sample Rates

I'm very happy with my X32, but yesterday I tried using it with cubase and got myself in a real mess. Not for the control aspects, but from a mix of project settings. The computer is connected to the X32 and all the ins and outs work fine - I can record and playback. The problem is Cubase project settings. If you run the X32 at 48K but your cubase project has audio recorded at 44.1 (and I have thousands of old projects at this setting) then it plays back at the wrong pitch. you have to change the X32 to match it, or resample the audio. However, this isn't straightforward. If the audio track is made up of lots of edits from different takes, cubase has to create new complete tracks, but the result is often slipped in time - as gaps open up or close in the edits. If I export these edited tracks as a single wav in the right sample rate, I can re import this new track and sync it - but what a faff!

The omission of sample rate conversion is very annoying - I have a few recordings in 96K/24 and haven't tried these yet, but getting everything at the right sample rate quickly, is a bit of a pest. Is anyone doing the same thing and found a better work around for old complex projects?
 
Re: X32 Feature Requests

Antoon van den Oetelaar said:
I believe a lot does perform like you request, but please respond if I'm wrong.
1. You can set the mode to true lcr panning.
2. I don't see the use, but who am I. :blush:
3. That is possible. (In the menu)
4. Not sure about these, but for instance you can insert scenes.
5. Ok.
6. Not sure if I understand your question. EDIT: You want a undo / redo function. :)~:-)~:smile:
7. This is possible, you can put eq before compression. Downside for me is that you have to use the side chain sometimes to have desired behaviour on gates.
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Hi Antoon,

1. I'll check
2. ha, ha. e.g. VCA1: female BGV VCA2: Male BGV DCA3: DCA1 and DCA2 to control overall BGV mix to rest of your mix. Yeah, I know I can "rough it" and put ALL my BGV's on one DCA but this can make the mix easier to manage. Another example would be drum group on a DCA, keyboard group on DCA then DCA to control the latter with the rest of the instrument group.
3. Must have missed that. Have not fully implemented the multitrack and doing a mixdown of the service in real time for parishioners waiting for a recording of the service is not practical. Being able to do the same sort of groupings using the DCA's using pre- fader busses for realtime recording mix would help to ease adjusting channel levels on the record side.
4. I'm not talking about scenes. I'm talking about patches in the library.
5. Okay too :-)
6. Yup!
7. again,must have missed that. That would do it for me. If I am using compression and EQ on the channel, it is fine that I can keep the compression out of the monitor mix.

Thanks for taking the time to go over my post!
 
Re: X32 OSC <--> MIDI multiple Mackie Logic Control emulation.

Gido Kuechler said:
Hi,

I just finished a first alpha of a portable application to translate X32 OSC messages to midi. It emulates 6 Mackie Logic Control at once. So you can directly access 32 channels and 16 Aux + 1 Master via X32. The benefit: no bank switching is needed (is easy to implement). The whole mixing of a DAW project works more like in a live environment. Status is alpha and only tested with Logic Pro 9 under MAC OSX Mountain Lion. But it has a good chance to be ported to Windows as well.

I just want to inform you: if there is any public interest for testing, please answer or send a PM.

Implemented so far:

  • Auto detection as 6 Mackie Logic Control by Logic Pro 9. No setup needed.
  • Fader synchronized both ways
  • Mute synchronized both ways.
  • Solo synchronized both way.
  • Scribble scripts shows Logic Status.
  • Select synchronized both ways

Todos:

  • Pan support (just have to do it)
  • Use of the whole X32 channel strip: Gate, Expander, Compressor and Equalizer. I have to figure out how to do it via Midi Logic Control mappings.
  • Bring in some configuration which OSC message is mapped to Midi and how. Right now it is fixed coded.

This whole thing needs a lot of reverse engineering, because there is no real documentation on “logic control” or “hui” protocol. On the other side I don’t want do map 49 channels in Logic Environment. Any better ideas?

So see this stuff as a proof of concept. It is still a lot of work to do and I am a busy Software Developer working on weekends for several Gospel Choirs in my area.

My wishes for 2.0 to Behringer are:

  • Access more than 12 characters via OSC in the scribble script. Maybe 3 lines a 12 chars as in the user assign able section.
  • Access to the user assignable section scribble scripts.
  • Access to the TFT and the buttons and encoders around it. Maybe in an dedicated OSC screen.

Ciao
Gido
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I've just tried Gido's above application to automate the X32 via Ableton Live 9 beta on Mac OS X and it works a treat, so for all you peoples out there looking for a solution this is the very fella!

Any Behringer reps out there should have a look into this as it adds even further much needed functionality to the X32 in a studio / mixdown environment.

Peace, love and flowers,

Sean xxx
 
Re: midi / dmx control

Kevin Hunter said:
yes you are correct , but it shouldnt be too difficult to read the fader values using osc and then convert it to midi. the x32 cant do it by itself at the moment so your only choice is to monitor the faders and the data.
update - ive just found a virtual midi port , so you should be able to do this without any hardware if you run it on the same pc as lightjocky .
pm me some midi commands you would like to see sent to lightjockey and if i time i will see what i can knock up
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Gido Kuechler said:
I just have developed the needed stuff for OSX

See: X32 Discussion - Page 240

DAW receiving midi or DMX device should be no difference.
It is portable code. I just have to find some time to do this.
Send me the needed MIDI codes please. AUX IN mappings are still unused.
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Ok some info I gathered:
On my korg nanokontrol outputs:
Fader 1: 176 - 2 - 0 =0% 176 - 2 - 127 =100%,
in midi OX (Hex): Status B0, data1: 02, data2: 00 -7F (0 - 100%), chan 1, CC: Breath

Fader 2: 176 - 3 -*
Fader 3: 176 - 4 -*
Fader 4: 176 - 5 -*
Fader 5: 176 - 6 -*
Fader 6: 176 - 8 -* (???!!!)
Fader 7: 176 - 9 -*
Fader 8: 176 - 12 -*
Fader 9: 176 - 13 -*

Knob 1: 176 - 14 -*
Knob 2: 176 - 15 -*
Knob 3: 176 - 16 -*
Knob 4: 176 - 17 -*
Knob 5: 176 - 18 -*
Knob 6: 176 - 19 -*
Knob 7: 176 - 20 -*
Knob 8: 176 - 21 -*
Knob 9: 176 - 22 -*

Buttons close to faders:
Pressed: 144 - XX -127 released: 176 -XX - 0
Upper row: XX= 23 upto 31 (9 buttons)
Lower row: XX= 33 upto 41 (9 buttons)

Machine control field:
XX= 45 upto 49

For me the AUX / FX layer would be preferred, buttons mapped to the mutes are nice.
I hope the selected layer does filter the data of the faders and knobs, so it should be layer depended some way...

I hope this is enough information.
If not please ask for more.
 
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Re: X32 OSC <--> MIDI multiple Mackie Logic Control emulation.

Gido Kuechler said:
Hi,

I just finished a first alpha of a portable application to translate X32 OSC messages to midi. It emulates 6 Mackie Logic Control at once. So you can directly access 32 channels and 16 Aux + 1 Master via X32. The benefit: no bank switching is needed (is easy to implement). The whole mixing of a DAW project works more like in a live environment. Status is alpha and only tested with Logic Pro 9 under MAC OSX Mountain Lion. But it has a good chance to be ported to Windows as well.

I just want to inform you: if there is any public interest for testing, please answer or send a PM.

Implemented so far:

  • Auto detection as 6 Mackie Logic Control by Logic Pro 9. No setup needed.
  • Fader synchronized both ways
  • Mute synchronized both ways.
  • Solo synchronized both way.
  • Scribble scripts shows Logic Status.
  • Select synchronized both ways

Todos:

  • Pan support (just have to do it)
  • Use of the whole X32 channel strip: Gate, Expander, Compressor and Equalizer. I have to figure out how to do it via Midi Logic Control mappings.
  • Bring in some configuration which OSC message is mapped to Midi and how. Right now it is fixed coded.

This whole thing needs a lot of reverse engineering, because there is no real documentation on “logic control” or “hui” protocol. On the other side I don’t want do map 49 channels in Logic Environment. Any better ideas?

So see this stuff as a proof of concept. It is still a lot of work to do and I am a busy Software Developer working on weekends for several Gospel Choirs in my area.

My wishes for 2.0 to Behringer are:

  • Access more than 12 characters via OSC in the scribble script. Maybe 3 lines a 12 chars as in the user assign able section.
  • Access to the user assignable section scribble scripts.
  • Access to the TFT and the buttons and encoders around it. Maybe in an dedicated OSC screen.

Ciao
Gido
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Good work:

This may help:
I FREAKIN FOUND THE HUI DOCS!!!!! - Cockos Confederated Forums
 
Re: X32 Feature Requests

Bobby Young said:
2. ha, ha. e.g. VCA1: female BGV VCA2: Male BGV DCA3: DCA1 and DCA2 to control overall BGV mix to rest of your mix. Yeah, I know I can "rough it" and put ALL my BGV's on one DCA but this can make the mix easier to manage. Another example would be drum group on a DCA, keyboard group on DCA then DCA to control the latter with the rest of the instrument group.
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You don't need to assign DCAs to DCAs to achieve what you are describing. If you assign DCA1 and 2 to the males and females and assign DCA3 to all the BGVs, you get exactly what you want
 
Re: X32 Feature Requests

An other small and easy request to Behringer Team : I would like to have a stencil of the X32 logo to put on the road cases ... this can be usefull to watertag the cases ( x32, s16 ... )
Thanks,

Othmane
 
Re: X32 Feature Requests

Othmane Alaoui said:
An other small and easy request to Behringer Team : I would like to have a stencil of the X32 logo to put on the road cases ... this can be usefull to watertag the cases ( x32, s16 ... )
Thanks,

Othmane
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First of all you all need a propper key tag! 8)~8-)~:cool:
Pimp your USB flash drive-->

 
Antoon van den Oetelaar said:
Ok some info I gathered:
On my korg nanokontrol outputs:
Fader 1: 176 - 2 - 0 =0% 176 - 2 - 127 =100%,
in midi OX (Hex): Status B0, data1: 02, data2: 00 -7F (0 - 100%), chan 1, CC: Breath

Fader 2: 176 - 3 -*
Fader 3: 176 - 4 -*
Fader 4: 176 - 5 -*
Fader 5: 176 - 6 -*
Fader 6: 176 - 8 -* (???!!!)
Fader 7: 176 - 9 -*
Fader 8: 176 - 12 -*
Fader 9: 176 - 13 -*
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Hi Antoon,

I just have got a Windows version up and running using a 12 virtual MIDI ports.
Means more config and about 20 bucks for up to 30 virtual MIDI ports. It is called LoopBe30.

As I remember you need a Windows version?
Did I understand correct, that control your lights right now with korg nano control using a MIDI to DMX interface on the other end?

I think we can easily start with 8 faders to have proof of concept.

Ciao
Gido
 
Re: X32 Discussion

Gido Kuechler said:
Hi Antoon,

I just have got a Windows version up and running using a 12 virtual MIDI ports.
Means more config and about 20 bucks for up to 30 virtual MIDI ports. It is called LoopBe30.

As I remember you need a Windows version?
Did I understand correct, that control your lights right now with korg nano control using a MIDI to DMX interface on the other end?

I think we can easily start with 8 faders to have proof of concept.

Ciao
Gido
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Hi Gido,

I use midi yoke to have virtual midi ports.
Yes and this light pc runs on old windows 2000. :blush: But if necessary this could be updated in future. (Only could this be a problem with my old touchscreen...)
No, I use the nanocontrol with a usb port (midi over usb) on this win2000 pc, on this pc I run martin lightjockey. To be able to use the faders of the nanokontrol I use a application called LJFaders in between. To use the buttons, I have also midi yoke and midi Ox in between to have an additional midi port. If necessary I could also do some midi translations in midi Ox...

Yes 8 faders would be a good starting point. :razz:
 
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