X32 Discussion

Re: X32 Feature Requests

Chris Wadden said:
There's always different ways of doing things in audio, so you can't assume someone's doing their job wrong just because its not how you do it.

In my mind, I'm doing sound for a rock band, and the singer has for the first half of the night consistently provided a threshold to open the gate which I've set. But then a song starts where he sings something very softly, and its not opening the gate. I at FOH, 100ft away, hear the gate not opening in the mains and make the appropriate adjustments and lower the threshold (or temporarily turn the gate off). If his voice is gated in the monitor, he may have an "oh crap" moment and look at me because he's thinking he got accidentally muted. He might even stop the band to signal me, hey I'm muted! And I have to yell in the monitor, "nah it's all good man the gate wasn't opening for a second or two. Let me explain to you how gates work." Hehe I hope that makes sense.
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Chris, I agree that everyone has different approaches to audio, but there are some tools that when used improperly ( gating a vocal mic), that could obviously result in the issue you described above... If you have to gate monitors to get them loud enough before feedback (which is what I am ASSUMING you are doing that for), you have more wrong tools ( bad monitors,no or improper eq, poor singers etc...)... I'd investigate other avenues other than gating the vocal to get the result you are looking for.
 
Re: X32 Feature Requests

Chris Wadden said:
Again, I like to keep my mind open about different ways to get the job done. But I personally would not use a gate to solve problems with either the timbre of a drum or ringing feedback.
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Most drum problems can be fixed with a drum key. Sometimes a 2# "drummer key" needs to be applied to the head in order to activate the drum key.
 
Re: X32 Feature Requests

Chris Wadden said:
Again, I like to keep my mind open about different ways to get the job done. But I personally would not use a gate to solve problems with either the timbre of a drum or ringing feedback.
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For me mixing a rock band, the kick and toms get gated to some degree always... Both to control the sound of the drum in FOH and to keep the bashing cymbals from becoming a giant phase jumbled fog bank. Plus, for most cover band songs the toms in the original songs have a lot of processing that doesn't work on a wide open Tom in a live setting.
 
Re: midi / dmx control

Hi Antoon,

I already did this using OSC , have a look here.

X32 User Net • View topic - X32 controlling DMX lights

Let me know if I can help you .

kev

Antoon van den Oetelaar said:
For smaller gigs I would like to use for instance the AUX / FX layer to control some DMX lighting.
For me that would be possible if these faders can output midi data over USB.
I'm able to get these midi data, into martin lightjockey. But I'm sure more software packages can do this.

(And off course the mute group behaviour to function as the analog style, I simply do not use it this current way, to tricky for me. I also like that manual mutes allways stay on!)
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Re: OSC - xcontrol

Nick Davis said:
Off hand does anyone know which udp port number xcontrol uses to receive OSC data from the x32 ( I presume it sends on port 10023)?
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Yes, it replies back to what ever port your pc sent it on. So if your pc sent it on port 10024 that's where it sends it back too.

On most UDP systems the pc picks a random port as UDP as it is not designed for two way comms.


Kev
 
Re: X32 Feature Requests

Tim McCulloch said:
So boomy, ringing, feeding back drums are better for the player?

In my observations I see most mixerpersons setting gate parameters inappropriately. Do you *really* need 100dB of level reduction, with a 10ms hold and 80ms release? Don't laugh, John, I see this all the time.

Another comment up-thread mentioned gating choir mics. Really? Isn't turning down or muting unused inputs the JOB OF THE OPERATOR? Gating vocal mics would be *really* annoying to performers and sound bad on the recordings, too.
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Taking out feeding back, sometimes that's what the player wants! A lot of times a drummer will come over to me and say he wants nothing gated- I assume it's just a result of bad experiences with terrible engineers. But with well tuned drums, it's not so much of an issue IMHO.

When I'm on an analog rig, I generally won't even have one around to use on monitors! I've rarely had a gate on a kick when mixing monitors.

Although now most providers / clubs I work for are moving towards digital. If there's a terrible kick, I'll usually 'soft patch' one in.

I would NEVER gate any sort of vocal mic. Although for a panel-type speech event, an automixer would be useful.
 
Re: midi / dmx control

Antoon van den Oetelaar said:
I saw this earlier. But for what I do understand it doesn't output midi, does it?
Because if I can output midi from your application, I can get it into lightjockey!
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yes you are correct , but it shouldnt be too difficult to read the fader values using osc and then convert it to midi.

it really just depends on what midi interface you have in your computer.

the x32 cant do it by itself at the moment so your only choice is to monitor the faders and the data.

Kev

update - ive just found a virtual midi port , so you should be able to do this without any hardware if you run it on the same pc as lightjocky .

pm me some midi commands you would like to see sent to lightjockey and if i time i will see what i can knock up
 
Re: midi / dmx control

Antoon van den Oetelaar said:
I saw this earlier. But for what I do understand it doesn't output midi, does it?
Because if I can output midi from your application, I can get it into lightjockey!
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You can send midi from the user assignable section for simple light control.
I don't know what state Kevin's application is in, but if he made it into a general application outputting midi, it could be used for all sorts of things.
 
Re: midi / dmx control

Per Søvik said:
You can send midi from the user assignable section for simple light control.
I don't know what state Kevin's application is in, but if he made it into a general application outputting midi, it could be used for all sorts of things.
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It was just a proof of concept I'm afraid .

something like this Home | OSCulator would be the sort of thing you would be looking for if it was available in windows.

kev
 
Re: midi / dmx control

Kevin Hunter said:
yes you are correct , but it shouldnt be too difficult to read the fader values using osc and then convert it to midi. the x32 cant do it by itself at the moment so your only choice is to monitor the faders and the data.
update - ive just found a virtual midi port , so you should be able to do this without any hardware if you run it on the same pc as lightjocky .
pm me some midi commands you would like to see sent to lightjockey and if i time i will see what i can knock up
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I allready use a midi translator and a midi patcher to connect a midi keyboard. The korg nanokontroll.
I will look tomorrow morning which midi commands are used, because it would be really great if I can use the same midi values. :razz:
 
Re: X32 Feature Requests

Even if I run here with rejection - my personal opinion:

I slowly get scared when i all so read here.
God seih thanks, i can use in an emergency, the old firmware still.

The desser works very subtly but effectively.
Please read: In Short: Sound Performance Lab

Gates works fine in all channels AND monitor!

Use your EARs, your mind, your eyes and fingers to fiddle out the right function!

For the Behringer guys:

- First improvement
If I load a preset with local inputs and I route to AES50, then the gain parameters will not apply to s16 and I must re-adjust.

- Second improvement:
Indication of level at the DCA-Led's

- Third improvement:
implement a Spectral Analyzer

Otherwise I am very happy with the x32.:lol:

Thanks for your attention,

Walter Mielke
 
Re: X32 Feature Requests

With all the remote capabilities of the x32 as well as the need for a remote foe some of the new X32 family it would be real nice to be able to use some type of midi remote with the software. Also it would give a nice user interface when doing remote monitor mixing. I have an Radikal Technologies SAC 2.2 This would work well with any remote software. I know people that have the Behringer remote and that would also work with any software. A midi remote would just make the Xcontrol so much more user friendly with the new X32 core and the X32 Rack. That would be my first wish. Thanks for the update Uli.
 
Re: midi / dmx control

Kevin Hunter said:
something like this Home | OSCulator would be the sort of thing you would be looking for if it was available in windows.
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I think you're right, but this doesn't exist for windows?
I would imagine this would be necessary to fill the gap as long hardware and programs don't use osc at this moment.
If you manage to build such a converter to midi, a lot of people should be happy like per stated. :razz::D~:-D~:grin:
 
I just have developed the needed stuff for OSX

See: http://soundforums.net/showpost.php?p=48289

DAW receiving midi or DMX device should be no difference.

It is portable code. I just have to find some time to do this.
Maybe this week. But I have a new firmware to release in my daily business.
So no promise.

Send me the needed MIDI codes please. AUX IN mappings are still unused.
Somebody out there who can pretest it with OSX?

Ciao
Gido
 
Re: X32 Feature Requests

Robert Lofgren said:
Yes, and this is what the OP is asking for as an FR - Able to exclude the gate from the monitor mix independent of the tap-point (i.e. post-eq) of the original signal.
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Exactly, thank you Robert. I'm the original poster on this. This pre or post gate discussion has gotten convoluted with Tim questioning my mixing/gate operating skills and not wanting the channel strip gates showing up on the monitor mixes. Tim, you mix any way you see fit that gets you good results. All I was asking for is the OPTION to not have those channel strip gates opening and closing in the monitors. Hell, my LS9-16 gives me this option.

Do the big boy digital boards give us this option? If yes why?
 
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Re: X32 Feature Requests

I think I remember Uli talking about madi support in 2.0...

How about support for the new waves emotion soundgrid via a card?

For $1500 one of those servers could add a ton of plugin horsepower!
 
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