X32 Discussion

Re: X32 setup problems (Changed)

Still it puzzels me why I could see the meters on mixbus 13,14,15 playing but on the master effect page I couldn´t see any incoming signal as if the signalpath had been cut.
 
Re: X32 setup problems (Changed)

Gunnar Åkerlund said:
Still it puzzels me why I could see the meters on mixbus 13,14,15 playing but on the master effect page I couldn´t see any incoming signal as if the signalpath had been cut.
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Don't know, if this is the case in Gunnar's mix file, but generally: When you have incomming meters but no output on the X32, it is very likely that you have accidentally routed your channels/FX/Mixbusses/whatever to an DCA, which according fader is down to zero. Most of the times there is a double routing. If you routed your kick drum f.e. to DCA 1 and also accidentally to, let's say DCA 7 (and DCA7 is turned down), than you will have no sound...even when DAC 1 is all the way up.
So, if you got meters but no output - maybe check your DCA routing. It happend to me as well, and I needed a couple of minutes to figure it out.
 
Re: X32 setup problems (Changed)

Gunnar Åkerlund said:
Still it puzzels me why I could see the meters on mixbus 13,14,15 playing but on the master effect page I couldn´t see any incoming signal as if the signalpath had been cut.
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Again, we are into aneurism territory, it seems to me that once you touch the effects routing all bets are off and trying to figure it out will only give you a headache. If one of the first four slots are being rerouted for insert, to get it back in working order for the next scene, a reset seems to be the thing. (Reset, then reload the scene you are working from with all fx settings safed, or reset and reload a scene where the effect routing hasn't been touched and work from there.) It is not the right way, and others might chime in here with a better procedure, but at least this way works most of the time.


Christian Boche said:
Don't know, if this is the case in Gunnar's mix file, but generally: When you have incomming meters but no output on the X32, it is very likely that you have accidentally routed your channels/FX/Mixbusses/whatever to an DCA, which according fader is down to zero. Most of the times there is a double routing. If you routed your kick drum f.e. to DCA 1 and also accidentally to, let's say DCA 7 (and DCA7 is turned down), than you will have no sound...even when DAC 1 is all the way up.
So, if you got meters but no output - maybe check your DCA routing. It happend to me as well, and I needed a couple of minutes to figure it out.
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That doesn't seem to be the case here though.
 
Re: X32 Discussion

Hi Guillaume Smolders,

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Re: AC and signal cable of whatever type

Dan Mortensen said:
Good, thank you, I was asking just in case the cable was wrapped around a steel hub, but it sounds like it isn't.
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Hi Dan,

Apologies if someone has already got around to identifying and fixing this issue - I'm still back on page 274 of this thread, trying to catch up. But I thought I'd mention this line of thought:

Nobody so far has identified whether these dropouts using the X32 and S16's with CAT5e cable are either X32, S16 or cable related. What you really need is a way of inducing the pink noise / dropout. I would suggest using a VERY long CAT5e cable to reproduce it. I think the cable and hardware are certified for 300 feet so why not try linking several and making it 500 feet or more? That's beyond spec and hence should be unstable. Therefore you will have just replicated an unstable cable run.

If it is unstable, you will be able to hear the dropouts and record them. If they sound just like your intermittent issue, then you've identified that it's a cable issue, not the X32 or S16. What's more, a highly unstable cable might be much more inclined to fault when you do the stamp, twist and bend test.

Hope that at least makes you ponder. :)
 
Re: AC and signal cable of whatever type

Andrew Prince said:
I would suggest using a VERY long CAT5e cable to reproduce it. I think the cable and hardware are certified for 300 feet so why not try linking several and making it 500 feet or more? That's beyond spec and hence should be unstable. Therefore you will have just replicated an unstable cable run.
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Once you go beyond a certain length, about 330 feet at 48 KHz or a bit longer at 44.1 KHz, the sync roundtrip time will exceed what is allowed, and you lose the connection, so you can't really increase cable length to induce anything but loss of sync.
 
Re: X32 setup problems (Changed)

Per Søvik said:
Again, we are into aneurism territory, it seems to me that once you touch the effects routing all bets are off and trying to figure it out will only give you a headache. If one of the first four slots are being rerouted for insert, to get it back in working order for the next scene, a reset seems to be the thing. (Reset, then reload the scene you are working from with all fx settings safed, or reset and reload a scene where the effect routing hasn't been touched and work from there.) It is not the right way, and others might chime in here with a better procedure, but at least this way works most of the time.
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As I got stuck with one DCA accidently engaged this acctual day so I dublechecked the DCAs on The BusMAsters.
The insert on FX4 was never used, it´s problably a misstake it´s there.
Still the effects were sounding before lunchbrake but not after.
I agree that if there had been a DCA addepted to a mixbus master, the meter says it playing but no effect is heard or visible in the effectssection. But I´m pretty shure I checked it and the DCAs were up at 0dB and nothing had changed while we were of for food.
 
Re: Noise problems in general

Robert Lofgren said:
Some vistits/months later I finally realized what the problem was. The electrical trams (spårvagnar) running throughout the city induced electrical interfeerence throughout the power network but they were the only one affected by this problem... A single ups didn't work since this was a distributed system throughout the company facilities and the interfeerence found its way into the system somehow.
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This post suddenly reminded me of two incidents I dealt with over the last ten years, in my real job. I'm a software guy, so how I get roped into these issues is beyond me but there you go!

1. I had numerous network issues in a shop over several months. Eventually I decided to do a site visit and prove to the engineers that the software was fine. I had a good look around and noticed that one of the CAT5e cables was routed over the suspended ceiling and it was pulled tight so that it went over the top of some fluorescent strip lighting. I speculated that the network comms was being disrupted by the lights. When they re-cabled the shop, the problem went away.

2. I had another store that was reporting numerous issues with their PED's (Pin Entry Device - you put your debit card in them at the Point of Sale to pay for things). Again it went on for months and I kept getting dragged into it because I supported the software. Eventually I went on Google Earth and found the site. There were high voltage power lines running right over the top of the building. I recommended that the site switch to a different model of PED and the problem went away. That may be the first and last time that Google Earth has fixed a retail 'software' issue for me. :)

Both of these examples are nothing to do with AES50, X32, Behringer, S16 or sound engineers. Yet both clearly illustrate that CAT5e is susceptible to outside interference.

Thought you might find that interesting. :) Now I'm going back to page 276 to continue my catch up!
 
Re: Noise problems in general

Dear Chris,
I have just emailed you. If for some reason it doesn't come through, you can also PM me here.

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Re: X32 setup problems (Changed)

I'm no expert but it appears to me that you have no way of sending them to the outputs. Look at Sub 16. Effect 3 is assigned to Sub 16 but Sub 16 isn't assigned to the LR out. The same with 13, 14 and 15. Please let us know if that helps.
 
Re: AC and signal cable of whatever type

Per Søvik said:
Once you go beyond a certain length, about 330 feet at 48 KHz or a bit longer at 44.1 KHz, the sync roundtrip time will exceed what is allowed, and you lose the connection, so you can't really increase cable length to induce anything but loss of sync.
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Per, I do not think this is correct on a Frequency side...
Following you, at 96 KHz one could only use half of 330 feet, which is not the case:
**********************************
AES50 (SuperMAC)
•100 Mbit/s over CAT5/CAT5e copper cable (100 metres)
•24 bidirectional channels @ 96 kHz (48 bidirectional channels @ 48 kHz)
•Latency per link = 6 Samples (62.50 μs) @ 96 kHz (3 Samples (62.50 μs) @ 48 kHz)
•5 Mbit/s Ethernet auxiliary data channel
**********************************
Victor
 
Re: AC and signal cable of whatever type

Victor Kouli said:
Per, I do not think this is correct on a Frequency side...
Following you, at 96 KHz one could only use half of 330 feet, which is not the case:
**********************************
AES50 (SuperMAC)
•100 Mbit/s over CAT5/CAT5e copper cable (100 metres)
•24 bidirectional channels @ 96 kHz (48 bidirectional channels @ 48 kHz)
•Latency per link = 6 Samples (62.50 μs) @ 96 kHz (3 Samples (62.50 μs) @ 48 kHz)
•5 Mbit/s Ethernet auxiliary data channel
**********************************
Victor
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At 96 KHz you only transfer half the amount of channels, the total datarate is the same.
 
Re: X32 setup problems (Changed)

Billy Peiffer said:
I'm no expert but it appears to me that you have no way of sending them to the outputs. Look at Sub 16. Effect 3 is assigned to Sub 16 but Sub 16 isn't assigned to the LR out. The same with 13, 14 and 15. Please let us know if that helps.
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The effect buses 13 to 16 are never asssigned to LR, that would send a dry signal to LR and boosting the channels on which the effect sends are turned up. So no no, never!!!!
 
Re: X32 setup problems (Changed)

My mistake. I have mine setup to Subgroups. Now that I look at it I Don't. Sorry. Per would you like to have a look at my scene file? I am not having problems I just think I am not explaining very well.

He has Effect 3 setup to Mix bus 16 but the Mix bus isn't sending to LR. Does that make sense? Sorry for the Mix up!
 
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Re: X32 setup problems (Changed)

Billy Peiffer said:
My mistake. I have mine setup to Subgroups. Now that I look at it I Don't. Sorry. Per would you like to have a look at my scene file? I am not having problems I just think I am not explaining very well.

He has Effect 3 setup to Mix bus 16 but the Mix bus isn't sending to LR. Does that make sense? Sorry for the Mix up!
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Sorry, you are not making sense, or at least I'm not understanding what you are saying.
 
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