Re: Pop. crackle and feedback problems
I assume you didn't load a scene after the factory reset, because that would make the reset invaluable...
No, I didn't load back the scene's, I did the reset (boot while holding back), everything went back to zero, and I lost all my scribble scripts, I modified just what I needed (just gain, fader, and some to the mix bus', no eq, routing or anything). Then I saved it out as the scene file that I attached the SSGRADNIGHT
You could try to connect the wireless through a DI, that way you have a bit of a passive HF filtering avoiding RF coming into the console.
That is a great suggestion! Thank you.
You describe it as a feedback, I assumed it was a feedback. But is it really a feedback?
Did you get it away this time by adjusting anything on the x32?
I wasn't there tonight when the issue occured, I helped setup the sound, but needed to leave after the band was done and everything was under control (just the wireless mic was being used). This is what my associate says (he's not a sound person, just an administrator): "Buzz came... Killed master & put back up. Still there. Killed & muted 4, 5, 6. Put main back up, Ok." When I've heard it in past, it was a pop, then a modulating wave would get louder and louder progressively. recently, it was more of a crackle, and the crackle would resonate and ramp to up in levels until it was ear piercing. Tonight, he described it as a buzz, but I'm not sure what it exactly sounded like.
He muted 4, 5, 6, which is interesting, in the past, this wouldn't have solved the issue, ch 4, and ch 5 had effects applied, and they were working fine through the band's set. Something seems to be triggering the problem to occur, we've removed the wireless Xcontrol being an issue, we've removed voltage drops/brownouts as an issue (somewhat), we've removed that ch32 being a problem, we've removed some other strange routing/configuration as being a problem.
However for monitors I wouldn't do it, it looks nice to have a main mix as a basis. But what when you adjust the main mix? the monitor signal will change also...
Also summing say a leadvocal directly from the input with the main mix, could make some nasty sounding because of different eq and latency.
To me it's a matter of not having a good monitor mix in the first place. Try to make a basic mix straight from the inputs into the monitor mixbusses, and adjust / raise the specific input channels of the particular artists. If all is set to satisfactory of the artist, you don't have to worry to screw up when adjusting mains.
I think this is going to come down to preference (as long as it is set up right, not being routed back to LR). If we adjust main mix then yes, it will be adjusted in the monitor, but the main mix isn't the only mix going into the monitor, it's just a portion, usually less than 50% of the signal.
What it comes down to is, where do you put the responsibility. For our situation, we often do not have time to setup our monitors just perfect, and our bands are often swapping members as well. If you swap members, then their preferences will change, I'd rather just adjust 1 or 2 sends to get the new band in workable state, than have to start adjusting across the whole input chain (it's not just about them hearing themselves, but it might be they want less/more of those other members). Bare in mind that we're all volunteers, so we typically have less time to rely on getting it all right before a set. By putting the responsibility on the sound person to focus on one thing: get the mix right for the audience; the band gets' some of that benefit too.
Another benefit is, we're running in a fairly small room (not a large auditorium), so stage volume is a concern. If there is a solo, or an emphisis on this voice, it's nice to have the stage hear that emphasis too (in most cases the electric guitar can fade into the background, but sometimes, it's a more critical member), I don't want to have to turn up that aux send in all monitors, then have to remember to turn it back down, not to mention that I don't even know if I'm giving it too much or not, it's not practical.
For us in our rag tag situation, it's working well, we may not use it in the future, but IMO there is a reason why personal monitor systems' have the main passthrough' on them.
Hi Joseph,
as previously mentioned, from Jared Koopman, I would immediately disable send to LR from channel 32 (if this is, as the channel is named, Main Returns). This is definitely a loop:
1. Instruments and mics -> 2. channels -> 3. mains LR -> 4. mainsreturn (chn32) -> 5. monitors (bus 1-3) AND mains (why?) -> 3. mains LR -> 4. mainsreturn (chn32)...
when the loop is picked up by the mics on stage will create nasty results.
these loops are worsened by effects (in general) that's maybe the reason why you can't turn effects on.
kind regards
Thank you Cesare, concen noted, I've completely disconnected ch32 currently, and the issue still persists. In the future I will route internally and disable the LR send.
