X32 Discussion

[Jared Koopman]

Re: X32 Discussion

I've been going back and forth with customer care for 3 weeks now about a warranty repair. I finally got an RA today and was informed it would be on my dime to ship the console from Ohio to Las Vegas? I have seen from multiple users in here that have had Behringer cover the shipping AND some of them even get a temp console, can someone please help me out before I go crazy? I am highly agitated with this whole situation right now.

My suggestion...its a holiday weekend go have fun with friends and family, watch some fireworks, think about anything other than failed electronics. Then come back Monday with a fresh start and try again.

 

[Greg Cameron]

Re: Scribble strip gripe

Anybody heard of any plans to allow direct keyboard connection for scribble strip editing? It would be nice to not have to use a laptop to do the editing on the fly. And inserting custom names with knobs is very time consuming.

 

[Jared Koopman]

Re: Scribble strip gripe

Anybody heard of any plans to allow direct keyboard connection for scribble strip editing? It would be nice to not have to use a laptop to do the editing on the fly. And inserting custom names with knobs is very time consuming.

That would be nice...along with a VGA/DVI output

 

[Jan Tapak]

scribble strip LED is not working

Hi Guys,

On one of my X32 LED DCA1 started to go away. As you can see from attached picture.
What I should do? Thomann is more 1200km far away? It is possible to repair it somewhere else? I mean in local Seler? I am from Slovakia.
Than you for your advices in advance.

 

[Per Søvik]

Re: X32 Slave mode would be a cool feature

The man is a genius - Excellent. Took a bit to get my head around it, but a quick pop into a spread sheet and I can see exactly what is going on. I tone tested several values and every one was spot on.

I do notice however that an input gain of over +57.5db will not be accurately represented on the slave as the trim only allows a max of +12db. For example, +60db gain would require +14db trim. I think we can all live with that. Don't recall I have ever applied that much gain to any kit I use. I'll add an option to limit the master gain to +57.5 on my app possibly.

Well, I'm very nearly there with a release now. Cheers Per.

A funny thing that I can't quite get my head round: When I was confirming that the level going out on the AES50 was going up in 2.5 dB steps, I noticed that running a signal out from an output at -18dBFS into an input, I had to gain the input to +8.0dB to achieve -18dBFS at the input.
This sort of indicates to me that the gain is off by 8 dB, but I guess there might be an explanation that involves the (pro mixer/AES/EBU?) +28dBu maximum level convention, ie. if you gain 0dB and run the digital signal to a converter that has 0dBFS at +28dBu, the total gain in the chain will be 0dB.
Anyway, an oddity in my mind.

 

[Robert Lofgren]

Re: scribble strip LED is not working

Hi Guys,

On one of my X32 LED DCA1 started to go away. As you can see from attached picture.
What I should do? Thomann is more 1200km far away? It is possible to repair it somewhere else? I mean in local Seler? I am from Slovakia.
Than you for your advices in advance.

Is it only dca1? The led seems to work. Does it work for the bus and matrix? In that case you have changed the icon/text to nothing

 

[Jan Tapak]

Re: scribble strip LED is not working

Is it only dca1? The led seems to work. Does it work for the bus and matrix? In that case you have changed the icon/text to nothing

LED stopped to work. There is the same strip as for the rest of LEDs. It is DCA. As you can see, there are few vertical line working, and most of them are out of service.

 

[Rob Dellwood]

Re: Scribble strip gripe

One thing that I found as an extreme frustration is the labeling of the scribble strips. When you go into edit mode of a scribble strip, there is no indication which scribble strip you are actually editing. The channel selected shows up on the top of the screen, but when you go to edit the scribble strips, the default selected doesn't match that. If you press the select for a channel that is already lit, it does NOT jump the scribble strip selection to that channel. You need to select a different channel and then back to the one you are working on, or scroll through the list. If you hit the edit button right away, there is no longer ANY indication on the screen which channel you are messing with. So if you weren't paying attention, you end up renaming the wrong channel. That's it. I hate this board and won't ever use it again. (yeah right... the system rocked and everything else worked beautifully!)

A simple solution is on the edit screen, have it show which channel you are editing. There's plenty of screen real estate available to do that, as it's an overlay that isn't filling the screen anyway.

Maybe I'm missing something here, but there is a screen that shows you all the channels you are editing the scribble strips on. Just select a channel, then hit the Setup button by the screen, then tab over to the 'Scribble Strip' tab. To the left is a master list of all channels, buses, etc. and you can select and edit any/all of the channels right there. The current channel being edited is highlighted, so you know which one you are editing. Hope this helps.

 

[Karl Barnes]

Re: Scribble strip gripe

Anybody heard of any plans to allow direct keyboard connection for scribble strip editing? It would be nice to not have to use a laptop to do the editing on the fly. And inserting custom names with knobs is very time consuming.

Let's look at this from a practical point of view...
Other than typing names into the channel strip, and naming scenes, what use would a connected keyboard be?
In the workflow of a show, I've never hit a point where I've thought "damn, I need a keyboard in order to make this bit faster/easier to do".
Sure, I could always use more faders, who couldn't, but a keyboard? Not yet.

When you think about it, most synths out there don't have a qwerty keyboard (actually I can only think of one, the Fairlight, but that wasn't really a synth).
Ever tried writing a patch name on a Roland D50? That only had four buttons for the process, iirc (incr, decr, cursor left and cursor right).
The rotary knob on the X32 is luxury by comparison.

Rather than integrate external hardware, why not replace the screen with a touch screen or replace the iPhone holder with a number/letter pad?

All those options would require additional R&D and add to the unit cost.
Who's to say that things like that weren't considered during the design of the X32 anyway?
With all that a keyboard could be used for, that would be a lot of development time for relatively little return.

At the moment there are two ways of naming a channel. 1. using the desk or 2. using a remotely connected device (laptop, iPad, etc).
The useability of the X32 increases exponentially when a laptop is connected; even further when an iPad is added as well. It goes well beyond being able to name channels quickly and is a much better use of resources, imo.

Personally, I think this arrangement is good. I can use a laptop of a spec of my choosing, and am not bound by a specific version of the iPad either.

But, let's think about this from another point of view, how many other desks out there, and AT THIS PRICE POINT, can use an external keyboard (not a laptop)?
Ever tried naming a channel on an LS9? It's the same process and there's no sign that it's going to allow a connection to a keyboard any time soon.

Karl.

 

[Ian Riley]

Re: X32 Discussion

Dear Brian

I will personally review your case details with our USA CARE Mgr, and will get back to you on Friday, due to todays Independence Day Celebrations.

Best regards

Ian Riley
VP Care
MUSIC Group
Behringer

 

[Fiona Hammond]

Re: scribble strip LED is not working

Hi Jan,

Sorry to hear you have scribble strip issues. Will PM you now.


Kind Regards,
Fiona Hammond
CARE EMEA
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER

 

[Greg Cameron]

Re: Scribble strip gripe

When you think about it, most synths out there don't have a qwerty keyboard (actually I can only think of one, the Fairlight, but that wasn't really a synth).
Ever tried writing a patch name on a Roland D50? That only had four buttons for the process, iirc (incr, decr, cursor left and cursor right).
The rotary knob on the X32 is luxury by comparison.

Thanks for the input. I don't think a synth is a valid comparison though since your patches should be done when you hit the stage. During a live sound festival situation where being able to quickly name the channels is paramount, I've found the keyboard on the Venue to be extremely useful. Granted, you can use computer to do it on the X32. But it seems it would be relatively simple to add a direct USB keyboard connection for character input. Sitting there twisting a knob to make custom names is relatively time consuming in the heat of battle and can take quite a bit of time if you have several channels to name. Keyboard method on the Venue takes a few seconds. I realize other low cost consoles don't have this ability either. But the X32 is supposed to be a the "game changer" at it's price point. Keyboard character input seems to me to be a basic feature for such a console. And instead of a iPhone resting pad. I think a trackball would have been very handy for all sorts of things on the menu screen.

 

[brian kozicki]

Re: X32 Discussion

My suggestion...its a holiday weekend go have fun with friends and family, watch some fireworks, think about anything other than failed electronics. Then come back Monday with a fresh start and try again.

Well when you have 4 gigs a week (at least) with these consoles it's frustrating when you're trying to get them fixed and it has taken almost a month! The gigs don't stop when it's a holiday weekend

Dear Brian

I will personally review your case details with our USA CARE Mgr, and will get back to you on Friday, due to todays Independence Day Celebrations.

Best regards

Ian Riley
VP Care
MUSIC Group
Behringer

Thank you Ian, Seltz Gregory emailed me a shipping label this morning. Thank you very much for the quick response on a holiday, I am very impressed.

 

[Brian jojade]

Re: Scribble strip gripe

Anybody heard of any plans to allow direct keyboard connection for scribble strip editing? It would be nice to not have to use a laptop to do the editing on the fly. And inserting custom names with knobs is very time consuming.

Getting the USB port to recognize a keyboard seems like a logical thing to make available. Yes, you can use a laptop or an iPad which will make naming easier, but a simple USB keyboard would be a handy thing to have as an option. You can keep a cheap keyboard in the road case with the unit. You may not ALWAYS have an iPad or laptop with me at a show.

Now, what would have been REALLY nice is if they would have stuck a USB port by the phone holder so that you could plug your phone in right there. And make sure it's high power USB so that you can use it to charge your phone or iPad with a connector on the board. That would have been handy.

 

[Rob Spence]

Let's look at this from a practical point of view...
Other than typing names into the channel strip, and naming scenes, what use would a connected keyboard be?
In the workflow of a show, I've never hit a point where I've thought "damn, I need a keyboard in order to make this bit faster/easier to do".
Sure, I could always use more faders, who couldn't, but a keyboard? Not yet.

When you think about it, most synths out there don't have a qwerty keyboard (actually I can only think of one, the Fairlight, but that wasn't really a synth).
Ever tried writing a patch name on a Roland D50? That only had four buttons for the process, iirc (incr, decr, cursor left and cursor right).
The rotary knob on the X32 is luxury by comparison.

Rather than integrate external hardware, why not replace the screen with a touch screen or replace the iPhone holder with a number/letter pad?

All those options would require additional R&D and add to the unit cost.
Who's to say that things like that weren't considered during the design of the X32 anyway?
With all that a keyboard could be used for, that would be a lot of development time for relatively little return.

At the moment there are two ways of naming a channel. 1. using the desk or 2. using a remotely connected device (laptop, iPad, etc).
The useability of the X32 increases exponentially when a laptop is connected; even further when an iPad is added as well. It goes well beyond being able to name channels quickly and is a much better use of resources, imo.

Personally, I think this arrangement is good. I can use a laptop of a spec of my choosing, and am not bound by a specific version of the iPad either.

But, let's think about this from another point of view, how many other desks out there, and AT THIS PRICE POINT, can use an external keyboard (not a laptop)?
Ever tried naming a channel on an LS9? It's the same process and there's no sign that it's going to allow a connection to a keyboard any time soon.

Karl.

Don't most of the Avid desks have a keyboard and I thought I remember that the Midas desk we had out at Wachusett had one too.

I agree that Yamaha isn't going to add one for the LS9, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't like one. Of course, they did make it real easy with Stagemix on the iPad.

Get a spare power supply for your iPad and leave it in the doghouse.


Sent from my iPad HD

 

[Robert Lofgren]

Re: scribble strip LED is not working

LED stopped to work. There is the same strip as for the rest of LEDs. It is DCA. As you can see, there are few vertical line working, and most of them are out of service.

Ahh, ok... You mean LCD. LED is the 'lamp' within the lcd...

Probably just a lose flex cable, but could also be an actual bad lcd.

 

[Tommy Cole]

Sound Card Question

Is Gain the only way to set the output of the sound-card? Noob on an X32, but have some experience in using Logic Pro 9:?~:-?~:???:

 

[Karl Barnes]

Re: Scribble strip gripe

How about if the desk had an iPhone charger built in...., or maybe a dedicated port for charging any USB device?

A lot of this "I want" stuff is simply because the USB ports are there.
I joked about connecting a Logitech Wingman joystick in a previous post, and someone replied adding that this would assist with quad panning (albeit with their tongue in their cheek). Maybe it would...
There is an assumption that just because the connector exists on the X32, it should therefore be able to connect to every device known to man, and damn Behringer if it doesn't.

By extension of the keyboard argument, why can't I use a graphics tablet?
I mean, all I'd have to do is scribble the name of my channel and the software should be able to recognise my handwriting and input in.

Where should it stop?

e.g. I have a USB credit card reader connected to my X32. It doesn't accept Mastercard and it doesn't appear to register AirMiles when I use Amex, although my orders do turn up on time.........

It looks like the USB ports on the X32 have been put there for fairly specific uses.

e.g. top connector for USB stick to record the show and maybe for play in/out music. Rear connector (XUF card) for connection to laptop/computer for multitrack recording. Remote access to be managed by iPad and wireless router using the ethernet connector, or direct laptop connection using the other USB connnector.

This seems to be the way that a lot of people work with the desk.

By not buying an LS9, I saved a lot of money. With that money that I saved, I was able to get a laptop, wireless router and an iPad for use with my X32.
I also got a 4 ways mains block and fixed it into my Gtour case along with the router. Then I got a spare iPad PSU and put it into the mains block. The laptop plugs into the 4th socket. Hey presto, all devices connected in one case, with one mains cable required to connect the whole lot up. Even then, I wouldn't want to try naming a channel using the iPad. Much easier to use the laptop, imo

Then again, I can imagine the uproar should USB keyboard connectivity be included.
"There's nowhere on the desk to put the keyboard", "It won't fit securely into my flightcase", and so on.

Some people are never satisfied.

It it what it is folks. Stop griping about what it hasn't got and get on and have fun with what it has got....

Karl.

 

[Joe Sanborn]

X32 Live! Webinar/User Groups - July 2013

X32 Live! Webinar/User Groups - July 2013 Events:

Hi Guys,
We are launching our webinar series for July.
The last three events will be posted next week as well.


7/9/2013 Tues 12PM PST
X32 COMPACT
In this Webinar, we will take you through the 4 latest additions to the X32 family. We will be focusing specifically on the newly released X32 COMPACT. Other products covered will include the X32 PRODUCER, X32 RACK, and X32 CORE. The overview will discuss operation and realworld applications for these exciting new X32 products.
Presented by:
Joe Sanborn - Manager, Product Support
John DiNicola - Senior Specialist, Product Support
https://www4.gotomeeting.com/register/749388799


7/16/2013 Tues 12PM PST
Setting up a ProZone System - House of Worship Series
In this Webinar, we will cover how the X32, S16 and P16 monitoring system connects together to create a digitally networked system in your House of Worship.
Presented by:
Evan Hooton - Specialist, Product Support
https://www4.gotomeeting.com/register/870633975


7/23/2013 Tues 12PM PST
Setting up Mix Busses, Matrix, Subgroups, Mute Groups and DCA - House of Worship Series
In this Webinar, we will talk about how to setup Mix Busses, Matrices, Subgroups, Mute Groups and DCA groups. We will then discuss ways to implement these mixing techniques into your House of Worship.
Evan Hooton - Specialist, Product Support
https://www4.gotomeeting.com/register/475600127


7/25/2013 Thurs 12PM PST
X32 Scene & Preset Management
In this Webinar, we will cover in-depth the scene management features of the X32. Topics such as recall "safes" and importing / exporting scenes will be discussed. We will also cover the Preset Libraries and how they can be used in addition to scenes for recalling certain parameters.
Presented by:
Joe Sanborn - Manager, Product Support
John DiNicola - Senior Specialist, Product Support
https://www4.gotomeeting.com/register/274369119


We hope you can make it to these X32 Webinars!

 

[John Chiara]

Re: X32 Live! Webinar/User Groups - July 2013

So if I am correct the Producer is NOT rack mountable. Man if the compact was quick to release I know at least 4 16 ch Mackie/ Mixwiz owners who would jump on that in a flash.