X32 Discussion

Here's a weird one, but made for a great "ah ha!" moment the other day...
I was tasked with creating some "false" feedback during a corporate event as part of gag on stage (don't ask). Simplest method I thought was to use the oscillators and an annoying sine tone set to 6.3k. Worked fine as we rehearsed it, ON ITS OWN. During the actual show however, there was a guy talking on the podium at the time of the gag, and I found out in a hurry that the oscillator monopolizes the output you have it assigned to ie: all that outputs is the oscillator, and only to the bus to which it is assigned.
 
Re: X32 Discussion

Per Søvik said:
First situation: In theory, there shouldn't be any problems with a long daisy-chain as long as each length is within parameters, because the AES50 transfer sync is from one node to the next.

Second situation: Again, in theory there shouldn't be a problem, but any time two cables are connected through a coupler, there is an extra point of possible failure.
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Dear Fellow Thankee,

Agreed that he shouldn't have any problems with what he wants to do. However, your first comment about a long daisy-chain triggers a couple of questions:

At our Audio-Over-Ethernet-Cable workshop, we learned that the Ethernet standards don't allow more than 4 connections (or was it 4 separate cables?) in a cable run regardless of overall length, as there is some issue with parameter degradation with each connection point/transition from one cable to another.

Is this true for AES50 as well?

Does going into and out of an S16 count as a connection between cables or as a new terminating device and so a reset of the connection counter?

Thanks,
Dan
 
Re: Wiki Manual

Per Søvik said:
Unfortunately, I'm too often more of a thinker and a suggester than a doer ;)~;-)~:wink:
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We should be able to work together on this Wiki, as I am apparently comfortable wallowing in tedious tasks as long as I understand how and why, and especially if I come up with the idea requiring the tedium for fruition. I did a photo project for my mother's extended family where I gathered over 3500 historical photos of my generation in the family tree and older, and organized them chronologically and identified who was in them and what generation and family branch they were part of, as well as objects and places shown in each picture. So you can sort them by who is in them, or look at all pictures with a car or a fish or a house or whatever. It took a couple years, but finally got to a point where I could declare it done.

I'm in the initial stages of doing the same for my father's family, which has a lot of Danish people in it and has involved a couple trips to Denmark. It's about time for another, but not sure when that will be. My wife's other obligations are curtailing our travel, but she'll be done with that in June, so maybe I'll be coming to a city relatively near you. It turns out I have a relative in Lillehammer, who I met two weekends ago via Facetime.

Back on topic, I've been thinking about what I suggested earlier about using this thread as a mine source for console and operation data, and have been imagining the best way to do that.

The outline that you did in the Spring would be the organizational framework; data mined from this thread would be posted in the specific topic header ("Motorized Faders" for example), and an entry would be:

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Originally Posted by Richard Mitton
Well, after just under a year of use the X-32 at a venue I work in has developed a fault :(
The motor for input fader number 3 seems to be broken, you can hear it whirring away but the fader doesn't move.

The fader itself is not broken. What has happened is that a small wheel on the fader mechanism has come off. In a very small number of early production consoles the wheel was not glued and in extremely rare cases can come off. This is very easily fixed with a drop of glue. Our CARE department can help you with this.

-Joe Sanborn September 21, 2013 post #7515 X32 Discussion SoundForums.net

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or something like that, with a shorthand developed for the source info.

Any thoughts or suggestions?

Dan

Edit: Copy/pasting a quote doesn't maintain formatting. Also, editing without typing cannot be done, apparently.

Edit 2: and getting that damn edit done took 3 separate security capcha (or whatever it's called) entries, and getting this edit done will take 3 more! Note to Mods: Why does going advanced require a captcha thingee when quick reply doesn't, and why one to get into advanced and one to actually post the message? It's getting tedious in a way I DON'T enjoy....
 
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Re: X32 Discussion

Hello

[QUOTEThema Søvik;66284]

Second situation: Again, in theory there shouldn't be a problem, but any time two cables are connected through a coupler, there is an extra point of possible failure.[/QUOTE]

Shure, I know an extra connection is not the best solution. So I will use the neutrik ne8ff connectors and not the cheapest ones.

I have therefore chosen cat5 cable with ethercn plug to get the best connection.

And can I run them in continous Operation?

Michael
 
Re: Recording with x32

Joe Sanborn said:
Dear Guys,
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New Features:
• X32-Edit 1.20 can be extensively remote controlled via Mackie Control Universal or compatible
control surfaces...
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How many channels can be controlled this way? For example, could a Tascam US2400 control 24 channels? (It requires 5 virtual USB ports to get all the Tascam features working)
 
Re: X32 Discussion

Dan Mortensen said:
<snip>At our Audio-Over-Ethernet-Cable workshop, we learned that the Ethernet standards don't allow more than 4 connections (or was it 4 separate cables?) in a cable run regardless of overall length, as there is some issue with parameter degradation with each connection point/transition from one cable to another.

Is this true for AES50 as well?

Does going into and out of an S16 count as a connection between cables or as a new terminating device and so a reset of the connection counter?
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I'd guess that AES50 is more sensitive to multiple connector degradation than ordinary Ethernet protocol.

Going through a S16 would be like going through a node in a network, and except for the cumulative bit error risk, even going through thousands of nodes should be ok. Any node will of course introduce a very small amount of extra latency, but that shouldn't affect the sync.
 
Re: X32 Discussion

Michael Lachmann said:
And can I run them in continous Operation?
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The equipment is probably not designed for 24/7, and a reset is probably a good idea once in a while, so I would try to design the install in a way that it all could be powered down when not in use.
Since you preferably want to run it all from a ups, the main switch on the ups should probably be turned off to extend the life of the ups, and this could function as a master switch.
 
Mark McFarlane said:
How many channels can be controlled this way? For example, could a Tascam US2400 control 24 channels? (It requires 5 virtual USB ports to get all the Tascam features working)
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I've tested it with the BCF2000, you have access to every channel but as far as I can tell you can only pick one midi in/out at a time.

The controller has to support Mackie MCU to work.
 
Re: X32 Discussion

Ryan Jodrell said:
Here's a weird one, but made for a great "ah ha!" moment the other day...
I was tasked with creating some "false" feedback during a corporate event as part of gag on stage (don't ask). Simplest method I thought was to use the oscillators and an annoying sine tone set to 6.3k. Worked fine as we rehearsed it, ON ITS OWN. During the actual show however, there was a guy talking on the podium at the time of the gag, and I found out in a hurry that the oscillator monopolizes the output you have it assigned to ie: all that outputs is the oscillator, and only to the bus to which it is assigned.
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I learned this the hard way too. I had a monitor on stage just stop working after checking all my routing before soundcheck. I followed the entire signal flow and could not figure out why it was not receiving any audio. Ends up I left the osc active and routed, but had the volume all the way down. The only way I figured it out is because I went back to the osc page to try sending some pink noise to it.
 
Re: X32 Discussion

Graham Tobias said:
I learned this the hard way too. I had a monitor on stage just stop working after checking all my routing before soundcheck. I followed the entire signal flow and could not figure out why it was not receiving any audio. Ends up I left the osc active and routed, but had the volume all the way down. The only way I figured it out is because I went back to the osc page to try sending some pink noise to it.
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Haha..Epic. Same happened here last weekend:-)
 
Re: X32 Discussion

So it should work, the question will be how the faders function and also what data passes through what set of virtual midi ports.

Does the Tascam have physical midi I/O on the unit? Those virtual ports could simply be referencing that I/O, while all the parameters on-board pass through the first port.

Disclaimer: Self proclaimed MIDIot.
 
X 32 cracking sound

Dear all,

I just got my x32 , set it up for the second time I get some really loud cracking sound constantly out of my x32
i replaced it with a analog console and went on with the concert
the next day I set it up in my studio with no crackingsound , after 2 weeks I set it up for a concert installing 2 portable fans at front the console , because its very warm in my country suriname . At the beginning I heard some cracking sound but not continuous . So I went on with my x32 the whole cconcert
please tell me what could be the problem ? Is it a problem in the cooling system of the x32

greetings

emf audio
 
Re: X 32 cracking sound

emf audio said:
Dear all,

I just got my x32 , set it up for the second time I get some really loud cracking sound constantly out of my x32
i replaced it with a analog console and went on with the concert
the next day I set it up in my studio with no crackingsound , after 2 weeks I set it up for a concert installing 2 portable fans at front the console , because its very warm in my country suriname . At the beginning I heard some cracking sound but not continuous . So I went on with my x32 the whole cconcert
please tell me what could be the problem ? Is it a problem in the cooling system of the x32

greetings

emf audio
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1. Please post using your real name.
2. Need more info. Copper snake or S16? Are you using a UPS? Did you check power? What output(s) were crackling?
 
Re: X32 Discussion

Spenser Hamilton said:
So it should work, the question will be how the faders function and also what data passes through what set of virtual midi ports.

Does the Tascam have physical midi I/O on the unit? Those virtual ports could simply be referencing that I/O, while all the parameters on-board pass through the first port.

Disclaimer: Self proclaimed MIDIot.
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No physical midi ports on the Tascam US2400, just a single USB cable.
 
Re: X 32 cracking sound

emf audio said:
Dear all,

I just got my x32 , set it up for the second time I get some really loud cracking sound constantly out of my x32 ...
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Crackling from a digital console often points to a clocking problem. What other digital devices are in your signal chain, and if there are any, how are you clocking them together?
 
Re: X32 Rack

Per Søvik said:
Oh crap, just noticed that the date is the 25th of OCTOBER. Wonderful x(~:dead:
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Mine seems to have been pushed back to at least november. 8O~8-O~:shock:

Looks like the ship took a wrong turn on its way here. I was looking forward to get one this week...

Oh well, I need to spend some time trying to dryclean my iphone that I dropped into the wc today:(~:-(~:sad:
 
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